Appleby Fair

Thanks JackAT - at last a voice of reason. I can't argue with any of that. In particular I agree that there certainly is some anti-social behaviour at Appleby, which seems to be on the increase in almost all sections of society. Maybe the older generation can bring it round - I know that they are trying, and trying hard, at Appleby Fair, to take it back to its roots as a horse fair, to crack down on anti-social behaviour, to apply the same rules to everyone, Gypsy and non Gyspy, and to improve the standard of animal welfare. My rant was against the prejudiced assumption that Appleby Fair is uniquely awful, because it is has been taken over by 'dregs' and 'scum'.
 
ApplebyLover said:
Thanks JackAT - at last a voice of reason. I can't argue with any of that. In particular I agree that there certainly is some anti-social behaviour at Appleby, which seems to be on the increase in almost all sections of society. Maybe the older generation can bring it round - I know that they are trying, and trying hard, at Appleby Fair, to take it back to its roots as a horse fair, to crack down on anti-social behaviour, to apply the same rules to everyone, Gypsy and non Gyspy, and to improve the standard of animal welfare. My rant was against the prejudiced assumption that Appleby Fair is uniquely awful, because it is has been taken over by 'dregs' and 'scum'.
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Here Here. If it helps I'm equally negative about people at large. Just not a fan of em.
 
It annoys me that non-gypsies are called racist and lacking in cultutral understanding for failing to condone the worst excesses of gypsy behaviour yet many gypsies feel it is their good given right to flaunt their contenpt and lack of understanding of the majority of the people in this country and break the law with impunity.
 
ApplebyLover said:
"We have been taken over by the absolute dregs of society." Prejudice. There are a majority of highly moral and respectable people attend Appleby Fair.
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I went there two years ago and I can honestly say you have to be deaf dumb and blind to believe that, the vast majority of what I saw was not my impression of people who have morals of any kind.

"If it had not been a member of that society I am sure they would be sent down for years!!! It is just accepted from them for some reason..." That Society - what all of it? (Racist)
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That law abiding society perhaps?

"What actually happens there?
Murder,shootings, rape, human castrations, lots of human poo. Horses thrashed to death, then left to die at the side of the road. "
This is about Appleby Fair of course - these things dont happen anywhare else.
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Are you suggesting that because atrocities happen elsewhere it is to be accepted at Appleby?

"so likely the fair has been taken over by the scum section of this part of society" The Fair has not been taken over by the nasties - the Fair is generally well ordered, closely supervised by Police, RSPCA, Health and Safely, Trading Standards, HMRC, and Market Licensing. "taken over by the scum section of this part of society" is simply wrong, and is simply prejudice. Racist at that.
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I would happily call some of the people I saw at Appleby scum, because they were behaving like scum - I cannot abide animal cruelty.

"It's this new breed who both normal law abiding folk and the Police are scared of, as they show no respect to anyone." Ditto. The police are no more scared of them than they are of drunken louts on a Saturday night, terrorists, or football hooligans. Misleading scaremongering nonsense.
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I don't believe that for one minute.

I am not trying to turn this into anything - just point out that it is full of inaccuracy, prejudice and misleading nonsense, based on rumour and hearsay. I still think you missed the point.
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Personally my feelings on Appleby are based on me going there and reading the news most years.
 
As long as anyone and ANYONE who is breaking the law is brought to task etc and not just because Appleby is an excuse to show off excess. That will be good for everyone and every horse. Simple as that, no turning blind eye.
 
ApplebyLover said:
. It is not a 'card to be played' - racism is the simple everyday habit making false assumptions about a whole group of people because of the behaviour of some of them.
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Sorry Applebylover, but i believe its called stereotyping, not racism. I think racism it thown about far too willy nilly these days.
 
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ApplebyLover said:
Thanks JackAT - at last a voice of reason. I can't argue with any of that. In particular I agree that there certainly is some anti-social behaviour at Appleby, which seems to be on the increase in almost all sections of society. Maybe the older generation can bring it round - I know that they are trying, and trying hard, at Appleby Fair, to take it back to its roots as a horse fair, to crack down on anti-social behaviour, to apply the same rules to everyone, Gypsy and non Gyspy, and to improve the standard of animal welfare. My rant was against the prejudiced assumption that Appleby Fair is uniquely awful, because it is has been taken over by 'dregs' and 'scum'.
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Your name is not Billy Walsh by any chance is it. How do you explain all the dead horses that the knackerman pick up from Winters yard? Farming community here and we all know the knackermen.
 
I'm afraid I'd stick with the 'dregs of society' comment with regards to Appleby.

I'm sure there are some decent people who go, but anyone who's been in recent years can't possibly seriously deny that it's been taken over by abusive and lawless people who are far more discriminatory about us 'gorjers' than most of us would be about them.

I wonder how it would go down in a big travellers camp if a few thousand gorjers set up camp on their doorstep for a week for a jolly then left their garden sheds and gloveboxes considerably lighter than when we arrived :rolleyes:
 
Ugh that video where the horse falls astride the concrete corner stone, trying to avoid going in the water.... hideous. :mad:
 
Gypley said:
Sorry Applebylover, but i believe its called stereotyping, not racism. I think racism it thown about far too willy nilly these days.
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OK, maybe, but my definition of racism is this: (OED)

• the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

Gypsies are an ethnic racial group, and much of this thread characterises them as dregs, scum, thieves, murderers, rapists, and morally inferior.
The assumption of moral superiority over people who attend Appleby Fair, on the basis of the bad behaviour of some of them, seems to fit the definition fairly well. I agree it is stereotyping, but i think there is a strong ethnic dimension.
 
quirky said:
I went about 22 years ago and it was a grand weekend out.
From what I recall, the horses appeared to be in good condition.

We went and watched them 'flashing' and that in itself was quite exciting but it was uncomfortable thinking of the hammering the horses legs were taking.

Then in the evening, they had racing (with traps) on a proper track that was the highlight of the weekend.

When did it change?
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Anybody going to answer my question, or are you just going to keep on sniping at each other? ;)
 
I'm afraid I'd stick with the 'dregs of society' comment with regards to Appleby.

I'm sure there are some decent people who go, but anyone who's been in recent years can't possibly seriously deny that it's been taken over by abusive and lawless people who are far more discriminatory about us 'gorjers' than most of us would be about them.

I wonder how it would go down in a big travellers camp if a few thousand gorjers set up camp on their doorstep for a week for a jolly then left their garden sheds and gloveboxes considerably lighter than when they arrived :rolleyes:
 
IF this is not a true view to the overall 'race' and there are many 'good' out there, why do they let the 'bad' overshadow them and in effect bring the whole 'race' down to this level. It is in fact prejudice, pre-judging therefore there has to be something, some sort of behaviour to judge and mainly from what i can see it is appalling behaviour. Why are you not as a 'race' trying to educate and put a stop to this and improve society's view overall?
 
GeeGeeboy said:
Gypsies and travellers are not a seperately race. Prejudice against them is NOT racism.
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Wrong.

Fact: Gypsies and Travellers are minority ethnic groups and legally protected under the Race Relations Act, so discrimination against them is unlawful. English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers have the same rights to race relations protection as other recognised ethnic minority groups

Fact: They experience high levels of discrimination and prejudice.

Fact: The Nazis considered them to be a separate race, and they were hounded relentlessly. On December 16, 1942, Himmler issued an order to send all Gypsies to the concentration camps.

The British government definition of gypsies and travellers does in fact extend beyond the racial and ethnic boundaries to include 'Persons of nomadic habit of life whatever their race or origin' so you are partly right, but the fact remains that discrimination against them is illegal, and they are an officially recognised ethnic minority group.
 
Yeah, they do experience high levels of prejudice.

Wonder why?

You can't possibly say that the majority of those who go to Appleby are law abiding, decent and respectful citizens??

If so, you must be going to a different Appleby.....
 
quirky .... i have been several times and i have always found it to be as you did
i love it and im off there saturday for the weekend, cant bloody wait :}
applebylover you are sadly wasting your breath , sheep and followers springs to mind !!!
go see for yourself then judge , anyway whoevers going enjoy i know i will.
 
Patterdale said:
Ps the rest of your post was bob-all to do about Appleby, or the gypsies of 2013.
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Lol, silly Appleby lover. I hope she has a lovely 4 days there and enjoys those lovely lavatories that the Travellers have very kindly supplied............for the general public. They wont be using them that for sure, they use other peoples gardens oh and they do like a good old poo in the launderette.
 
wildwest said:
quirky .... i have been several times and i have always found it to be as you did
i love it and im off there saturday for the weekend, cant bloody wait :}
applebylover you are sadly wasting your breath , sheep and followers springs to mind !!!
go see for yourself then judge , anyway whoevers going enjoy i know i will.
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In the old days you might also have enjoyed public hangings too.
 
ApplebyLover said:
I know, I know, - but they are like children. If nobody puts them right they will grow up to be nasty people....forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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You might like to start your crusade on Fair Hill, there will a few there that need putting right.
 
forgive them...for they know not what they do....... now go and nick them spare wheels off that 4x4, those lawnmowers/anything else in the shed, the kids bikes ohh and dont forget the livery yards tack. ;)
 
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