Appleby - tethered pony left behind

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:mad: as title really. It was found yesterday after all the travellers had left to go on to Appleby. My friend suggested she take it in, I suggested that was a very bad idea.. Police and RSPCA involved.

*huge sigh * sm x
 
Ditto....lost count of many tethering's at road sides I've seen tbh.

Leave it a couple of days and see where it's at.

Does it have water, or rather, being offered water at any point during the 24 hours?
 
I've no idea if they plan to come back - that's why I suggested a friend taking it in wasn't a good idea. But why would they leave one behind tethered by the roadside ? All I can think of is that maybe it's lame and won't get thru the 20 mile trip. Or perhaps someone else is picking it up en route ? Friend has given it water.

I do hope it gets sorted *another sigh*.. sm x
 
I wouldn't be giving it anything personally if RSPCA are now involved as it could interfere with the argument/case of it not getting any water, care, etc. [Or rather I'd check with the RSPCA if it is ok to do so...]

Not saying it's not abandoned or anything....but just remembering it is a different style of life which tethering is an old age thing. And how much some of these horses are actually worth...:o

Only looking at it from both ways :) Sounds like it will be fine either way. If it is abandoned then it's got everyone looking out for it and will be have action taken out soon to sort it.....if not, then it will be back with it's owners shortly not doubt :)
 
had to give it water, as the pony's welfare has to come first..tho I understand where you're coming from. The chances of anyone admitting owner ship if it has been dumped are pretty much nil I would think.
 
Hmmmm difficult call although the RSPCA clearly states that a tethered horse needs to have water and adequate grass.

There is nothing wrong with tethering if its done correctly. Maybe the pony has already been sold and will be picked up.
 
Here we go! Because the gyppos are involved, it must be suffering.

Yes, giving it water WILL stop the RSPCA being able to remove it, because as they see it, it's fine. They can't take into account that your friend is the one watering it.

Just maybe, just this once, this forum could remove it's blinkers and see the gypsy community for what they really are, and see appleby for what it really is.
 
Yes, giving it water WILL stop the RSPCA being able to remove it
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No it won't. If the horse has been abandoned, it will be removed. Giving water or food won't prevent this from happening.
 
AmyMay, I am sorry but you are wrong. If a horse is being given food and/or water this can stop the removal of the horse on welfare grounds. Abandonment is a totally different matter and would be dealt with by the local authority rather than the RSPCA or another charity.
 
I would also point out that tethering in itself is not a welfare issue, and that in fact I have seen tethered horses that are in far better condition than some more conventionally kept horses - including one or two whose pictures have been posted on this forum. I am not making any judgement about this case because I don't know the full circumstances.
 
Oh for goodness sake, giving it water will NOT stop the RSPCA from removing it. You are light years out of date on that one and AmyMay is right.

Giving it water is what a sensible person would do. If it has been abandoned then eventually it will be taken in - these things take time, and in the meantime it needs water.

Am I going to have to drive up from Hertfordshire to take it some, or is someone with some common sense who lives a bit nearer going to do it?!
 
Spudlet said:
AmyMay, I am sorry but you are wrong. If a horse is being given food and/or water this can stop the removal of the horse on welfare grounds. Abandonment is a totally different matter and would be dealt with by the local authority rather than the RSPCA or another charity.
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Thankfully the revised and updated Animal Welfare Act does mean that a horse that is receiving assistance in the form of food and water by someone who is not their owner or keeper will not affect the ability of a welfare organisation to take action where needed.
 
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Here we go! Because the gyppos are involved, it must be suffering.

Yes, giving it water WILL stop the RSPCA being able to remove it, because as they see it, it's fine. They can't take into account that your friend is the one watering it.

Just maybe, just this once, this forum could remove it's blinkers and see the gypsy community for what they really are, and see appleby for what it really is.
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i am certainly not blinkered thank you, but a realist. Appleby is a cruel and outdated festival. Gyppos are not as they used to be but largely tinkers. even going to our local horse sales once a month there is tremendous cruelty- ponies are only a money commodity.
 
I can't believe this post has set people off. No, giving the pony water will not ruin the case for abandonment - check out the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You will see a lot about tethering. The person who gave the water will be required to give a statement saying that THEY gave the water to the pony, and how it was found. The pony was left in circumstances LIKELY to cause suffering (i.e injury from tether etc.)

There may be someone en route to pick the pony up, there may not be. The pony's welfare is all that matters, not trying to prove an abandonment from long gone travellers who will never, ever admit to ownership. So there is very little chance of a prosection, is there.

I am really ****** off that this has turned into an argument. I'm just saying that this is what goes on around these fairs. Get your facts right before you write, eh.
 
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Harper_Gal said:
Here we go! Because the gyppos are involved, it must be suffering.

Yes, giving it water WILL stop the RSPCA being able to remove it, because as they see it, it's fine. They can't take into account that your friend is the one watering it.

Just maybe, just this once, this forum could remove it's blinkers and see the gypsy community for what they really are, and see appleby for what it really is.
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Harper_Gal, why dont you take a trip up here and see for yourself, they are in the main a lawless society.
 
poor horse, hopefully the rspca will take it before someone comes back.
Im not a fan of appleby cos my rescue lad came from there.
 
Dont use the word gyppo please its very offensive. Sorry but this has turned into a snobby post and has the potential to become racist.

Yes there is animal cruelty but I think you will find if you bothered to find out a bit more into a culture that not many people know about there is a very big split between your genuine gyspy traveller and those that arent. Have seen the fights. We have a big site near us of those you dont want to know or talk to and then another site which is very quiet who I have gained a lot of knowledge about breaking from.

Instead of arguing on here has anyone thought of contacting RSPCA and asking what is best to do for this pony as they will know what you can do until appropriate action is taken or the pony claimed?
 
Gypsy then, is that ok- the racist thing is one step too far! they are either gypsies, tinkers(most of which are the ones at Appleby these days) or the true Romany, of which there are few now. i am not being snobby at all, i couldn't care less about whom is careering the streets of Appleby, al that does concern me is the cruelty-and that was proven last year or year before when one poor creature was drowned, and thats just the tip of the volcano!!
 
I think there is a big split between horse lovers - those that love Appleby and those that don't.

There is good and bad in all communities. My point was that this poor thing was left by the side of the road, and yes, the police and rspca are dealing with it. There's no way that anyone will come forward to claim it now they are involved, so I think we can rest assured that it's future is safe. Let's just hope that any others left behind are fortunate enough to be found, eh ?

As a poster put on the other appleby thread, a number of horses are put down out of view of the public during or after the fair - broken legs, exhaustion, etc. (she knows the Knacker man). So no, I don't think it is the "pretty pretty horse fair" that the Cumbrian Tourist Board would like us to think it is. *sigh*.
 
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Just a quick update - it was a little black colt that was left - he got loose from the tether somehow, probably panic at being left, and was running around by the main road.
Now caught and being looked after. Friend says it was sickly looking, so probably not worth taking to Appleby anyway.........question is, why put it thru the drive in the first place. *ggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrr*
 
I,m sure the little colt dumped at the roadside will be really interested to know in between feeling alone, (it's a herd animal), probably hungry and thirsty, maybe even cold and wet who knows, that the ethnic rights of it's wonderful steeped in history loving caring owners are being upheld on this very forum of animal lovers, I'm sure it will now sleep better tonight knowing that, well done ;)
 
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I,m sure the little colt dumped at the roadside will be really interested to know in between feeling alone, (it's a herd animal), probably hungry and thirsty, maybe even cold and wet who knows, that the ethnic rights of it's wonderful steeped in history loving caring owners are being upheld on this very forum of animal lovers, I'm sure it will now sleep better tonight knowing that, well done ;)
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Well said!
 
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