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Quite new to the forums but I'd thought I'd ask about my mares breeding. Her passport says
Sire: Shanfara (El Shaklan (DE)/Fanfar)
Dame: Rose Bandola (Banat (PL)/Rumani)

What does the writing in the brackets mean, is it a grandsire etc? Does anyone know if this is good breeding? She's an absolute headcase, I'm not sure if that make her aristocratic or an inbred!
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The names in Brackets are the grand sire and dam. Basically,
Shanfara by El Shaklan out of Fanfar.

Well, good breeding? Ask a dozen arab people and you will get a dozen answers, some people favour traits shown by a certain line, others don't.

Just on the sire side you have El Shaklan who is Egyptian, and Fanfar who is Crabbet. So, I like my Crabbets, but I also like my Egyptians.......

On the dam side you have Banat who is Polish, and then some more Crabbet.

If you like her, that's all that matters, she doesn't care that her forebears can be traced wayback. Absolutely everything has a pedigree, just not all of them are written down. My QH traces back to Eclipse and beyond, he doesn't give a stuff as long as he gets his food!
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If you dig deep enough you can find all sorts, my mares' (Baikala Bey) Grandsire was Bask (Witraz ex Balalajka)..... Banat's sire Bandola, was a full brother to Bask!
I wouldn't call your mare inbred no, just an arab.
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Oh how nice to have another Arab-breeder on here! Welcome!

Your mare is beautifully bred - I love her pedigree! You have some of the best of almost all 'nationalities' in there - El Shaklan was Egyptian x Spanish, and you have the Crabbet/OE from Shanfara's damline and through Rumani, and then Polish through Banat - plus another Egyptian line through Jellaby!

Her strain (tail-female line) is Kehaileh Rodanieh, one of the most prolific and succesful lines.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shanfara
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rose+bandola

All really super horses, and from the pedigree your girl should have great structure with plenty of type as well. I would love to see a photo of her if you have any you could post on here?

My boy H Tobago has some of the same Polish and Crabbet/OE lines as your girl - plus a lot of Russian.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/h+tobago

Check out Tobago's foal out of a Rose Bandola daughter (see the thread entitled 'Yet another Tobago 'clone'')! (This Rose Bandola daughter is by Aboud, though, so is mainly Crabbet/OE - probably a more 'substantial' type than your girl.)

I'm a big fan of Rose Bandola - what a nice coincidence to have two of her daughters mentioned on here on the same day!
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Do tell us more about your mare and what you do with her!
 
Here are the bloodlines of the Arab stallion running with my mare, who is ISH.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/storm+dancer3

What do you think htobago? (He is fleabitten grey.)

There is a foal of his due imminently out of a TB mare who ran with mine and with him last year. My mare didn't take last year (she did have fun though) , maybe better luck this time!
 
Thank you so much for the information! I checked the bloodline websites, I didn't think the stallions would be great grandsire or be that old! Though she is 22 now, so she's no spring chicken
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she's an ex endurance horse, she was quite the champion in her time, done 75 miles in a day, I think she could have done 100 miles but she was a bit of a late starter as she had 3 foals before being backed at 9 years old.

She's not too easy to photograph as she doesn't stand still for more than 1 second, out of 10 pictures this is the best I've got...

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I love the pics of the foals htobago, is the sire the boy pictured in your signature? I have to say before I got my girl I always had warmblood and sports horse types, having had a pure bred Arab I don't think I'd have anything else now they are just fantastic!

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Her strain (tail-female line) is Kehaileh Rodanieh, one of the most prolific and succesful lines.


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What does the tail-female line mean?
 
Another lovely pedigree TAMZ!

I don't know this stallion, but he's from super old Polish and English lines - his sire and dam were both very well-known show horses back in the 70s and 80s. Sireline to Naziri who was one of the most beautiful of the Crabbet sons of Skowronek (Lady Wentworth rated him higher even than the famous Naseem). Then on the dam's side you have great horses such as Bask, Nabor, Karramba....and tail-female line to Bint Helwa, one of the Blunt's most beautiful desert imports.

Can't really tell much about this boy from the photo on allbreeds, except that he seems very sweet, but his pedigree is certainly good. Fingers crossed your mare takes this year!
 
Silverspring your mare is very pretty and looks like a wonderful character! How lovely to have so much energy and presence at her age - she looks as bright and full of mischief as a cheeky foal!

As I expected from her pedigree, she's a finer type than the Rose Bandola daughter who is the dam of Tobago's latest foal. Can't tell very much more from the photo - I'd love to see a side-on photo, even if it's not a good one...

Not at all surprised she did well in endurance - you have some fantastic performance lines in that pedigree!

Sorry - should have explained - the tail-female line is the very bottom line of the pedigree - i.e. the mother, maternal grandmother, maternal great-grandmother, great great grandmother, etc.

Oh - the Rose Bandola daughter with the Tobago-foal is 21 years old, and looks half her age, just like your girl!

Yes, Tobago is the horse in my signature - he is my only horse, but he's now breeding lots of nice babies...

I agree about Arabs - I wouldn't want anything else....although some of the WBs bred by people on here are very tempting, I must say!
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Skowronek (Lady Wentworth rated him higher even than the famous Naseem).

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Sorry haven't got anything intelligent to add...just wanted to say htobago...Ousbek had both those stalliions in his pedigree
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Teffy I've never let a total lack of anything intelligent to say stop me from posting on here!
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And you know I'm a huge fan of your wonderful Ousbek! As well as Skowronek, Ousbek and Tobago have in common lines to Nazeer, Arax, Priboj and Witraz!

To explain to newcomer silverspring - Teffy's Ousbek (now sadly deceased) was a fabulous pure-bred Arab international sj pony!
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She's lovely silverspring, what is your mares registered name.

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Thank you
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She's registered with the Arab Society as First Day of Spring, she was born on Spring equinox.

I'm going to try and get better pictures of her side on, I think maybe going in the field is an idea, she might be a little more static in that situation!

I really want to see picture of the showjumping Arab pony to show my friends at the yard, I'm rather tired of being told that Arabs can't jump. My farrier told me he would never have an Arab as he doesn't think they're good at anything...yes this caused quite the debate when I started ryhming off racing, jumping, eventing, all western disciplines, endurance...pretty much everything!

It's so nice to talk to people who actually know stuff about the breed and appreciate them for what they are, which is fabulous!
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What a lovely mare! Yet more proof that arabs age much more slowly than other breeds.

I'm another arab fanatic Silverspring. I have two (at the moment) and compete endurance. My 'oldie' is 20 but we're still out competing. He was also at the top of his game in his prime (British Champion in 1999) - we do lower distances now, but more because of me than him. I'm sure he'd love to go further and faster still!

And what nonsense people speak - of course arabs can jump. And to say they can't do anything is even worse! How many horses can do 100 miles in a day and come out the next day sound, fit and bouncing? Endurance is surely the toughest of all the horse sports.

Welcome to the forum btw Silverspring - if you want to talk arabs anytime then feel free!
 
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And to say they can't do anything is even worse! How many horses can do 100 miles in a day and come out the next day sound, fit and bouncing? Endurance is surely the toughest of all the horse sports.

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Hear, hear! Maybe if Dick Turpin had galloped an Arab from London to York, the horse wouldn't have dropped dead at the end of it!
 
I too was , no still am an Arab lover and had a lovely filly by the stallion Djammal, a beautiful stallion, although Htobago is simply stunning and I could watch them move for hours on end .
 
Ousbek was amazing - I'd love to see another photo of him too!

To be going on with silverspring here is a pic of my first horse, the pure-bred Arab stallion General Lee Gold. I bought him unbroken as a 4yo (great choice for a novice owner, eh?) - this is him as a 5yo competing at Batsford BHS Horse Trials (Novice):

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He carried a 6ft male rider and 13 stone throughout his eventing, drag-hunting, hunter-trialling career. He also did affiliated sj and dressage - and sired several international endurance horses and ridden show champions. Never once lame, sick or sorry in the 10 years I had him. Tough, brave, super little horse. I still miss him.
 
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Yet more proof that arabs age much more slowly than other breeds.



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They really do age better than any other breed I know, I suppose when you're bloodlines go back a few thousand years you become quite resliant to most ailments! They must have tendons of steel to do the endurance distances and still be sound (and fizzy!) the next day.

I don't compete Spring anymore as she took it all too seriously and got very stressed at competitions, I don't think it's worth it for the 20 mile rides, plus she pulls like a train and my shoulder isn't up hours of abuse anymore
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but it's so important that they have something to think about as they age, I wouldn't retire my girl I think she'd lose the will to live standing in a field...then again if there ws plenty of grass she might think different!

I love the pic of the Arab jumping htobago, he's gorgeous. He has very defined features and looks far more substantial than my girl! Spring has been mistaken for being Anglo
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but I think it's cos she's so tall (she's 15.2hh) and skinny (back legs longer than the front like a greyhound!) and doesn't have the shield or a very dipped face.
 
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What a lovely mare! Yet more proof that arabs age much more slowly than other breeds.

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I can confirm that - my arab is 33 now.
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(he's the grey in my siggy)
 
Lovely pics of the Arab jumping, you got to love the tail carriage.

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I can confirm that - my arab is 33 now.
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(he's the grey in my siggy)

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Has he grown old with dignity or is he as lively as he was when he was 3?
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my mare does look good for her age but I think the main reason that people mistake her for being much younger is that she still behaves like a 3 year old, she'll spook and jump at pretty much anything, it's hilarious
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