pootleperkin
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You'd just need a voltmeter, a simple bit of lab/electrical kit to see if there was any current running.
Arcequine or Ice Vibe boots?
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philamena
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Is that the kind of thing vets usually have?
pootleperkin
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Not sure - they are a general kind of thing to have around a science lab and inexpensive, so wouldn't be surprised. Not difficult to get hands on either - any electrician should have one.
TarrSteps
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I would be very surprised if it was 'standard' for the units to not have a current - I would be willing to accept a placebo/nacebo effect in people but that would not explain some of the reactions in horses.
Ian Thirkell
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I have been following this thread with interest, and had intended, and do still intend, to answer some of the earlier points.
However, after 3 days away from home, visiting equine professionals and clinicians ( including one of the largest and best known Equine Veterinary Practices in the country,) I have just revisited this thread and am astonished, and very angry, at some of the latter comments that have been made.
I feel compelled to respond to them, despite the time.
Early on in my research into, and anecdotal use of micro-current technology, I discontinued an association with an individual with whom I had been working, purely because I insisted on being totally inclusive of the Veterinary Establishment. He had a totally contrary opinion. That decision by me "cost me" £25,000 !!
I have never knowingly failed to respond to any communication from anyone, least of all a Vet.
I pride myself on my personal availability ( 9am - 9p, Monday - Sunday ) and, although I'm not beyond making mistakes in this area, I think that most people who have had dealings with me will confirm the quality of my "service".
With regard to the Vet who has apparently taken apart an ArcEquine ( presumably a Delivery Unit ??) and found there to be "no current, it being nothing more than a black box "
It is no secret that I have no clinical or veterinary background or training. I served ( with pride ) as a Metropolitan Police Officer, retiring in 1997 after 30 years service, the last 14 of those in the rank of Inspector.
I was introduced to the technology in 2001, and initially thought of it as a modern type of witchcraft. But I kept an open mind ( which is all that I ever ask of others ), researched widely, and the last 12 years of my life have been dedicated to exploring the boundaries of it's clinical application. In ALL animals.
And in that time I have been privileged, and humbled, to witness totally unique results in a number of clinical areas. Results which are exciting a lot of other people, including respected and experienced clinicians.
I am driven by the potential of this technology!!
Bearing all of that in mind: -
Does any sane person really suggest / believe that I would allow to be purchased "from me "( I have never advertised ArcEquine, nor positively commercialised it until Monday of this week ) something that I did not genuinely believe to be effective for the uses stated and where I have personally witnessed positive outcomes?
And further to that, and notwithstanding my attitude regarding the potential importance of the technology, does it not occur to people that what "that Vet" suggests ( just a black box, with no currents ) is an allegation of a very serious criminal offence, one which I would obviously be aware that I was committing if I were to supply such a "box", and that if taken to Court I would obviously be found guilty??!!
The outcomes would be as follows :-
I would receive a custodial sentence
I would lose the Police pension that I had worked for for 30 years ( with monthly contributions of 11% of my wage.)
This is my only income, and has been since my retirement. I have received NO other income during
the last 12 years
Over that time my personal outgoings, plus my current debt, amount to £500,000
My reputation would be in tatters
The technology would be totally discredited
I would not be able to repay my debts
Need I go any further??
You may get the impression that I'm not very happy that such accusations about my honesty and integrity have been made on this thread. Anonymously. AND YOU WOULD BE B****Y CORRECT!!
I challenge the "author" of the accusation to come back on this thread, to identify themselves AND the Vet who had taken the box apart, etc.
They will very quickly find themselves in Court, and in support of the "prosecution" I will have an array of witnesses, and among them will be Electrical engineers, Professors, Consultants, Doctors, Physios, Vets, Farriers, owners, trainers, riders, Olympic athletes, Premiership and International rugby players, and some British Lions. All, you will note, in the plural.
In addition, a selection of successful users, previously sufferers with a variety of clinical conditions.
Then we'll definitely see who, to put it politely (though they don't deserve it ), have been economical with the truth!! Ian Thirkell. Director. ArcEquine
However, after 3 days away from home, visiting equine professionals and clinicians ( including one of the largest and best known Equine Veterinary Practices in the country,) I have just revisited this thread and am astonished, and very angry, at some of the latter comments that have been made.
I feel compelled to respond to them, despite the time.
Early on in my research into, and anecdotal use of micro-current technology, I discontinued an association with an individual with whom I had been working, purely because I insisted on being totally inclusive of the Veterinary Establishment. He had a totally contrary opinion. That decision by me "cost me" £25,000 !!
I have never knowingly failed to respond to any communication from anyone, least of all a Vet.
I pride myself on my personal availability ( 9am - 9p, Monday - Sunday ) and, although I'm not beyond making mistakes in this area, I think that most people who have had dealings with me will confirm the quality of my "service".
With regard to the Vet who has apparently taken apart an ArcEquine ( presumably a Delivery Unit ??) and found there to be "no current, it being nothing more than a black box "
It is no secret that I have no clinical or veterinary background or training. I served ( with pride ) as a Metropolitan Police Officer, retiring in 1997 after 30 years service, the last 14 of those in the rank of Inspector.
I was introduced to the technology in 2001, and initially thought of it as a modern type of witchcraft. But I kept an open mind ( which is all that I ever ask of others ), researched widely, and the last 12 years of my life have been dedicated to exploring the boundaries of it's clinical application. In ALL animals.
And in that time I have been privileged, and humbled, to witness totally unique results in a number of clinical areas. Results which are exciting a lot of other people, including respected and experienced clinicians.
I am driven by the potential of this technology!!
Bearing all of that in mind: -
Does any sane person really suggest / believe that I would allow to be purchased "from me "( I have never advertised ArcEquine, nor positively commercialised it until Monday of this week ) something that I did not genuinely believe to be effective for the uses stated and where I have personally witnessed positive outcomes?
And further to that, and notwithstanding my attitude regarding the potential importance of the technology, does it not occur to people that what "that Vet" suggests ( just a black box, with no currents ) is an allegation of a very serious criminal offence, one which I would obviously be aware that I was committing if I were to supply such a "box", and that if taken to Court I would obviously be found guilty??!!
The outcomes would be as follows :-
I would receive a custodial sentence
I would lose the Police pension that I had worked for for 30 years ( with monthly contributions of 11% of my wage.)
This is my only income, and has been since my retirement. I have received NO other income during
the last 12 years
Over that time my personal outgoings, plus my current debt, amount to £500,000
My reputation would be in tatters
The technology would be totally discredited
I would not be able to repay my debts
Need I go any further??
You may get the impression that I'm not very happy that such accusations about my honesty and integrity have been made on this thread. Anonymously. AND YOU WOULD BE B****Y CORRECT!!
I challenge the "author" of the accusation to come back on this thread, to identify themselves AND the Vet who had taken the box apart, etc.
They will very quickly find themselves in Court, and in support of the "prosecution" I will have an array of witnesses, and among them will be Electrical engineers, Professors, Consultants, Doctors, Physios, Vets, Farriers, owners, trainers, riders, Olympic athletes, Premiership and International rugby players, and some British Lions. All, you will note, in the plural.
In addition, a selection of successful users, previously sufferers with a variety of clinical conditions.
Then we'll definitely see who, to put it politely (though they don't deserve it ), have been economical with the truth!! Ian Thirkell. Director. ArcEquine
Marydoll
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Just found this thread, the boot of the arc equine doesnt need to be placed over the injury for it to work, it can even be on the other leg, so if it was my horse id just put the boot on the damaged leg. I had a problem with a leg strap that had stopped working, got in touch and had replacements ( note plural ) sent through very quickly free of charge, i have found the customer service to be excellent
TarrSteps
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I think the question was for the ice boots. Would be interested to know if they found a solution.
Jane_Lou
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Our mare gave herself a proper whack on the knee last weekend and I have Ice Vibe boots. What I found was that the boots with the ice packs on setting 2 created a lots of vibration in the knee anyway so I would hold another ice pack on her knee for a but bit basically let the boots do their job. Swelling has gone down in no time. I imagine the same would be true of the pastern area?
pootleperkin
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Mary Doll - TS is correct, I was referring to the fitting of the boot for the ice vibe, not ArcEquine. it sounds as if you are another with a good experience of the unit.
Ian, so sorry you have been annoyed by the thread - as the OP, that certainly wasn't my intention - I simply wanted to find out what people thought of the therapy as I started to look for options for my horse's lameness.
I haven't gone down the road of either the ice vibe or ArcEquine as yet. It looks as if my horse has a severe sprain after further investigation, so I have maintained his box rest and hosing/ice bandage as advised by my vet. It is taking some time, but he is improving.
I decided not to take the ArcEquine any further in this instance, as although I have looked at the science behind MC therapies and most peer review publications look very positive, I have been slightly worried by the range of adverse reactions reported in a minority of cases. I would normally go with the statistics (do you have any figures on adverse reactions?) and what seems to be a large majority of people who have positive outcomes with the unit, but given my horse seems to be the unluckiest in the world when it comes to disease and sensitivities, I have decided not to risk it, given that I have a finite date and showing event to have him sound for - I don't want to risk other complications or blemishes. I understand I might be cutting my nose to spite my face so to speak, but I really just feel at this point I can't risk the unknown. My vet has not experienced the AE either, so he cannot advise me. Under less pressured circumstances, I might have given it a go. The other reason I have not gone ahead is due to my finances. I am very interested in the therapy and certainly would not rule it out for future use.
Vet is due out to see us this week and assess how to proceed. G is now sound in walk, nearly so in trot and the swelling and heat has reduced greatly. I have had everything crossed that he recovers in time now for so long, I'm starting to chafe!
Ian, so sorry you have been annoyed by the thread - as the OP, that certainly wasn't my intention - I simply wanted to find out what people thought of the therapy as I started to look for options for my horse's lameness.
I haven't gone down the road of either the ice vibe or ArcEquine as yet. It looks as if my horse has a severe sprain after further investigation, so I have maintained his box rest and hosing/ice bandage as advised by my vet. It is taking some time, but he is improving.
I decided not to take the ArcEquine any further in this instance, as although I have looked at the science behind MC therapies and most peer review publications look very positive, I have been slightly worried by the range of adverse reactions reported in a minority of cases. I would normally go with the statistics (do you have any figures on adverse reactions?) and what seems to be a large majority of people who have positive outcomes with the unit, but given my horse seems to be the unluckiest in the world when it comes to disease and sensitivities, I have decided not to risk it, given that I have a finite date and showing event to have him sound for - I don't want to risk other complications or blemishes. I understand I might be cutting my nose to spite my face so to speak, but I really just feel at this point I can't risk the unknown. My vet has not experienced the AE either, so he cannot advise me. Under less pressured circumstances, I might have given it a go. The other reason I have not gone ahead is due to my finances. I am very interested in the therapy and certainly would not rule it out for future use.
Vet is due out to see us this week and assess how to proceed. G is now sound in walk, nearly so in trot and the swelling and heat has reduced greatly. I have had everything crossed that he recovers in time now for so long, I'm starting to chafe!