Are Grey Horses with Black Manes & Tails classed as Grey ???

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Sorry to be so thick and this being a stupid question, but seeing a Grey horse with a black mane and tail got me thinking ..... a bit like a Dun having a black mane and tail I suppose ... and without that it would not be a Dun would it
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Yes I'd say it was a grey. Suppose its like a chestnut horse with a chestnut mane is chestnut as is one with a flaxen mane.
 
It depends if it has a dorsal stipe and barring really. I have a grey QH who has a black mane and tail, she is grey, no dorsal or any barring. I have another QH who is grulla; he is a grey colour and has a black mane and tail and comes complete with a dorsal stripe and leg and shoulder barring.
 
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But is a chestnut with a black mane still chestnut or bright bay???

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I would guess, as black mane and tail it is Bay
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But is a chestnut with a black mane still chestnut or bright bay???

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Would be interested in the answer tbh. Was always told the definition of bay included black points. Have always wondered what to call this chap. Irun is orange chestnut in the body with black mane/tail and is gray down the legs and belly. I always shrug and call him some sort of roan when people ask lol but he's not really.

This is him in his winter coat so a lot darker. Only pic I have though, must take some more. Excuse the muddy legs, there was a bog on the warm up hack.
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But is a chestnut with a black mane still chestnut or bright bay???

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Would be interested in the answer tbh. Was always told the definition of bay included black points. Have always wondered what to call this chap. Irun is orange chestnut in the body with black mane/tail and is gray down the legs and belly. I always shrug and call him some sort of roan when people ask lol but he's not really.
This is him in his winter coat so a lot darker. Only pic I have though, must take some more. Excuse the muddy legs, there was a bog on the warm up hack.
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I would describe him as a bright bay because of his black mane and tail.
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Yes, unless it is a silver dun or roan.

They were probably born bay, but as the grey gene fades red pigment first, they are left with black pigment for longer and the mane and tail are usually the last to go.
 
I have always hoped Archie will keep his dark mane and tail. He is now 8 and he still has a dark mane but the bottom of his tail is now white. What do you recon the chances of his mane staying black... [image][/image]
 
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