Are ISH always hot to ride??

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Last year I purchased a lovely ISH mare but she was totally unsuitable for me. She was hot too ride and lead. I managed to find her a new home and she is doing well. I have found a super ISH gelding that seems to be ideal fro me and very calm. I am not sure if to go ahead with purchase as I have recently heard that most ISH need a lot of exercise and are generally hot to ride. I will only be able to ride 3/4 times a week. Welcome your advice and experiences.:D:D:D
 
Mine had his "moments" but was mostly calm and well behaved. He is 7/8 TB, 1/8 ID.

He is a dope to lead about and nothing much phases him. If he does get over excited he is easy to calm down.
 
What?! No. I had an ISH who was a dope on a rope. I now ride three others. One is the perfect horse. Forward going but with brakes and well mannered. One is a total madam horse from hell and the last one is fairly hot but not unmanageable.

Same with any breed of any animal, ever. They all have different personalities.
 
Gosh I would say not. there is so so so much variety within the breed and different bloodlines are different for temp. There are some I've had that are as safe as houses and some a bit mental!
How is the horse your currently thinking of buying bred?
 
Not in my experience .... my ISH is a very calm level headed chap. I am an experienced but nervous rider and bought my boy as a four year - he's been safe and sane from day one and gives me a lot of confidence.
 
He is 3/4TB and I/4 Irish. He is MW and looks like he could have cob in him. I hacked him out on his own and he is in a snaffle at all times. He hunts from front, back, behind. I just don't want to make a mistake!!!!
 
No I would not say ALL of them are hot.

My last horse was ISH and he was indeed sensitive and quirky I would say! but his lines did chuck hot babies. He was very honest and willing though and NOT naughty, but he was just sharp! great horse though.

I believe you can tell as certain lines are, so you may be able to get an idea from his lines (but of course always remember that isnt the bible and take with pinch of salt).

My one was clover hill & king of diamonds both in his lines. Both in the lines are known to chuck quirky ones apparently LOL :rolleyes:
 
gadetra said:
Gosh I would say not. there is so so so much variety within the breed and different bloodlines are different for temp. There are some I've had that are as safe as houses and some a bit mental!
How is the horse your currently thinking of buying bred?
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^^^ this most definately!

Used to share a ISH mare whom was a bit of a nutcase. Unsure of her breeding. when was looking for a horse tried a ISH of sire French Buffet he was amazing really chilled out. My ISH whom I have owned for just over a year does not have any 'well known' breeding. But he is mostly Irish you have to search far back for pure TB, although his Grand sire was a warmblood so prob with some TB in there. But he is a pretty chilled out guy, has his moments as all horses do.

Definately check out the horses breeding and do your research :) But also stand by that each horse is an individual as well.
 
If you are really happy with him and have no doubts then go for it. A breed is not all one type at all and there are tons of irish horses I know who are slugs! as long as you have taken him for hacks etc and you are happy with him you can't do anything else :) he sounds great to me!
 
As others have said it totally depend on the horse and impossible to generalise.. MiLs ISH is 7/8 ID so is a totally different type if you compared him to a 7/8 TB ;)
 
This is one of those "how long is a piece of string?" questions :D

It depends on the breeding, the horse himself, his condition, circumstances etc, and how electric your bum is ;)

Compared to some full tbs, and most arabs (which is what I compare 'hot' to) then judging by the ones I have known then No they are not. I think it also depends on what your interpretation of hot is, something that jig jogs and is forward going but doesn't actually 'do' anything is not hot in my opinion, but I know people who consider a horse that does anything it isn't told to, the moment it is told to, hot.

Whether he needs regular exercise depends greatly on his temperament, his management and his fitness levels, if he is to be in with limited turn out and is being fed, then yes he'll need more exercise than if he were out full time and on a basic ration.

How does this gelding make you feel? Safe? Disregard the opinion of others, if your gut feeling is that you'll get on fine then go for it.
 
ISH's are the ultimate equine mongrel they can be a mix of any blood so they come in the full range of temperaments from slug to complete lunatic.
 
Goldenstar said:
ISH's are the ultimate equine mongrel they can be a mix of any blood so they come in the full range of temperaments from slug to complete lunatic.
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Well I must disagree with the term mongrel!

There are a Huge variety within them though, OP do you have possible new boy's breeding?

Edited to add there is about as much mixing in ISH as KWPN, ultimately any unclosed studbook will have a huge mix :)

(by unclosed I mean allows other breeds in e.g. ID, TB Warmblood etc. not anything-they must have 3 gens of pedigree to get approved)
 
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I'd say no.

I get the impression that as long as a horse is born in Ireland these days it will be passed off as an ISH, do you know any more about the breeding, is he quite chunky or light? Whilst you can get an idea from the breeding each horse is totally different and unique. One of the calmest, laziest and chilled out horses I know is an ex racer.

My old ISH was TB x ISH she was an unpredictable nutter and I couldnt handle her to save my life. Current mare is an ISH (TB x ISH) and good as gold, she has her moments and is generally ridden 5 days a week but I have no problems getting on her if she has had a couple days off (unlike previous mare who I knew I'd need to lunge for 30 min first!). I've also been riding an ISH gelding for a lady at the yard, he is only young and one of the most chilled out horses I've met, he is ridden anywhere between 3 and 6 days a week.

Can you take this horse on trial for a few weeks? Also do you know much about its routine - eg have you been riding after he has been out in the field all day / does he live out so might he be a bit more difficult if you were to get on straight out of the stable? Also is he in good condition? I only ask as I have no idea where youre getting him from and I know a few dealers (and people) who have a habit of keeping their horses on the poor side and as soon as you get them up to weight they have a hell of a lot more energy!

Not sure thats any help but good luck :)

I would say geldings have the advantage of not coming into season so you wont have to put up with hormonal tantrums
 
I am seeing him again this weekend and will try to find out his breeding. He has a lovely kind head and has been hunted by novices and also hacked out by them. He is 6 and has a lot of bone. I am experienced but my mare ISH was a difficult and sensitive girl. I was talking to a professional SJ recently and she said in her opinion ISH are better suited to competition riders. I had already seen my new boy by then and was about to buy him but have put it on hold now but risk losing him as with his temperament and manners he is sure to be snapped up.:(
 
If you have ridden him a few times and he has been what you are after, he has passed a vetting, and you want him then I'd say go for it. The fact that you sound disappointed/upsert at the idea of not having him says a lot ... do it!:D
 
hihosilver said:
I am seeing him again this weekend and will try to find out his breeding. He has a lovely kind head and has been hunted by novices and also hacked out by them. He is 6 and has a lot of bone. I am experienced but my mare ISH was a difficult and sensitive girl. I was talking to a professional SJ recently and she said in her opinion ISH are better suited to competition riders. I had already seen my new boy by then and was about to buy him but have put it on hold now but risk losing him as with his temperament and manners he is sure to be snapped up.:(
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Snap him up for yourself and update us with piccies as soon as possible ;)

Also those with decent bone tend to be from old lines of ID which are calmer, that is if it is ID bone adn not cob although same applies.
 
Goldenstar said:
ISH's are the ultimate equine mongrel they can be a mix of any blood so they come in the full range of temperaments from slug to complete lunatic.
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I agree with this.

ISH could be 7/8 TB and 1/8 ID or the other way around.

The term ISH covers such a variety of horses I don't think anyone could tell you what the general temperament is like.

If you have ridden him and tried him out thoroughly, I wouldn't give a second thought to his breeding if he suits what you want :)
 
gadetra said:
Well I must disagree with the term mongrel!

There are a Huge variety within them though, OP do you have possible new boy's breeding?

Edited to add there is about as much mixing in ISH as KWPN, ultimately any unclosed studbook will have a huge mix :)

(by unclosed I mean allows other breeds in e.g. ID, TB Warmblood etc. not anything-they must have 3 gens of pedigree to get approved)
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What's wrong with the term mongrel there's nothing wrong with a nice mongrel.
 
mine is not hot at all, he is laid back, nothing really phases him, and he is quick to get over anything that might be slightly scary. :)
 
My share horse is such a lovely lad - got the patience of a saint with the amount that he has to put up with me being around :p BUT he is very sensistive to ride, he's taught me tonnes in the past year - like learning how to ride all over again! He does have a odd spook here and there, he can be lazy at times, we can have a little misunderstanding when he's in sensistive mood coz I'm still learning what makes him tick but I really do love him. I have heard stories on the yard that he goes mental out on hacks espically when his feet hit grass, I'm a bit of a whimp though so havent taken he out at all :o Even though what I've said here (good and bad), I do feel safe riding and being around him :)
 
We've not long sold the one we bought for my husband. Needed way more work than we were led to believe and even being worked 5 days wasn't enough. He tried it on ridden and on the ground. Always trying to out smart you. Crunch time came when he started dropping a shoulder to try and ditch his rider. He was too green and OH got fed up trying to second guess what tricks he'd throw at him each ride so we sold on. Wouldn't rule one out altogether for a next horse, but would research the bloodlines and definitely not buy as green again. Does vary so much in breeds. Our TB was the most chilled characterand not at all what you'd class hot.
 
]We've not long sold the one we bought for my husband. Needed way more work than we were led to believe and even being worked 5 days wasn't enough. He tried it on ridden and on the ground.

This is how my ISH mare was. She did however come from a dealer and he is from a private seller who seems genuine. I will try him again...if the weather allows this weekend!:D:D:D
 
ISH is a generic term. It is not an actual breed and a horse can be deemed to be an ISH with a white passport, (white means no registered breeding). It could be ID, connie, WB, TB or a mix of all. However, ISH have a very good registration and studbook so if you ask to look at the passport, then you could come back and ask for opinions of x stallion. If the passport is green, it means 3 generations of fully registered parents and Blue is 2. What most people believe to be a standard ISH is normally an ID x TB. A TB stallion to an ID mare would normally throw a horse that looks more like a TB and vice versa.

As for needing work, as others have said, it really is how long is a piece of string. All mine have needed regular work and 3 -4 days would not suit but ask the seller what work regime is this horse currently on, and how long he has been in work for. I am personally, a massive fan of the traditional ISH because I like the fact that the breeding is so well documented and it is very easy to find out what sort of "type" the stallion will throw. My current youngster is out of French Buffet (TB) out of a Clover Hill mare (2nd gen) he is true to type for FB, so short coupled, very kind, sharp and a good jumper.

Good luck!
 
Nah, they're a mixed breed aren't they, it would very much depend on what the mixture was and even then, its down to the individual just like not all TBs are hot and not all cobs are fat lazy dope on a rope!
 
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