Are they kidding themselves??

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Some people I know need to sell their horse, and are hoping for a quick sale. They asked me how much I thought their horse was worth, and on telling them I was immediately bombarded with insults. What I would like to know is was I way off the mark, or are they kidding themselves?

He is about 14.2hh Cob type pony with no known breeding. 9yo that didn't start work until a year ago and is very green. Not a novice ride, can be quite firey and takes advantage. Doesn't buck or rear, but jogs, tosses head about, and takes off flat out to avoid doing things. Jumps at home, but only at a fast 'hackney' type trot. Always refuses at first fence when at a show. He is very unbalanced in the school, and finds corners and circles difficult. Can only canter straight lines in the school. Hacks out alone or with others, but jogs and trots most of the time.

Very bargey on the ground, pushes out of stable when you open the door, takes ages to catch in the field. Also an escape artist, so often lets himself out of the stable (can undo kick bolts somehow) and the fields as well.

He has quite severe sweet itch which takes a lot of management to keep on top of.

On the plus side, he could be a fantastic kids pony, he will never be an affiliated competition horse, but with more schooling he could be lots of fun. He can be a bit tricky to load, but never dithers for more than a few minutes. He is good to clip and shoe etc.

They have advertised him for £5000 based on the fact he is a cob-type, but I think this is far too much, as he certainly isn't for a novice or nervous rider. I told them I thought he would be better priced around the £1500 - £1800 mark.
 
I would say you were closer to the correct price than they are. No doubt they will find out when they start advertising though. He doesn't sound too easy at the moment.
 
That is a ridiculous amount to advertise him for, yes perhaps in the right home he could be a good pony for someone, but how silly 5k?!! I would say 2k
 
They are insane. I wouldn't pay more than £800 for a pony like that.
 
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Gosh, what a ridiculous price. I'd price at £1500 and be prepared to accept more like £1000.

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Exactly what I was going to say! I think they are WAY off the mark. They certainly won't get a 'quick sale' at that price! I'm sure they'll find out when the phone rings silent!!!!
 
They sound completely bonkers! £5000 for a green, stroppy, bargey, unschooled, difficult 9yo pony, of no breeding and with sweet itch to boot!

I'd say even the price you suggested is on the generous side! I wouldn't give more than £1000 for it, if that!
 
I would say £1000! £5000? Muppets
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No one would pay 5k for anything with full blown sweet itch! I mean I'd put up with a manageable case if it was the right horse but 90% of people would stear well clear. I think you'd be lucky to get £1000, as for kids pony? Sounds like that might take a while
 
there living in la la land................. but may get message when phone doesn't ring............

i think you should show them this link, it may put them back on planet Earth
 
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I told them I thought he would be better priced around the £1500 - £1800 mark

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Generous - I'd say around the £700 mark - tops!
 
Their more likely to spend that much money on advertising it, rather than actually selling it at that price lol!

On a serious note, I think a lot of people have jumped on the band wagon with cobs these last few years just because its a cob!, any horse/pony no matter what breed/type even if its a Heinz 57 etc is worth it's weight in gold if it proves sensible, easy to do, healthy and can do a range of RC activities but when your hitting the £5,000 mark I'm going to expect something a little more special than the description you have given, or at least more well behaved and would need to certainly need show some some kinda of wow factor if it was for a project or for keeps. You can either aim at two markets with this cob, for competition or as a RC type, way off mark for RC type and if there is no wow factor or showing any special talent ....well I doubt they'll sell.

The thing is, sad to say, there are people out there though, who will pay it, people that plenty of money, don't have a all the experience and get themselves into a sticky mess....seen it happen so many times.
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I don't think it helps that their instructor is telling them that "he will sell quickly because he's a cob".

I think they paid £1200 for him a year ago - he had been backed but not really done anything. To be honest he still hasn't been schooled, just sat on and thrashed round the school/local roads every other day.
 
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I think they paid £1200 for him a year ago - he had been backed but not really done anything. To be honest he still hasn't been schooled, just sat on and thrashed round the school/local roads every other day.

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Ouch. They would do well to make their money back, but they shouldn't expect to make any profit.
 
They are definitely kidding themselves!This sounds like a project for an experienced person..the owners must be abit deluded if the pony only started to work a year ago and they are expecting it to jump at shows already,it sounds like the poor thing hasn't had much basic schooling if it's that unbalanced too.
Around £900 I'd say,and that only because he doesn't buck or rear (yet), give him a few more months with the owners and that may come too lol.Bet he'd respond brilliantly to calm, quiet handling and a lot of work.

Whatever happened to finding the best home for the horse?,try get them to get the pony on project horses before they ruin it completely, they obviously haven't got a clue!
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Oh my god, theyre insane!!

I'd value him at £1500 absolute max. You can pick a nice one up at Leominster for less than that.
 
I think they may be kidding themselves there. £1,500 seems a hell of a lot more realistic to me! Particularly as I sold the ULTIMATE schoolmistress of a mare (Welsh Sec D) who competed and won WHPs, M&M and showjumping classes on a regular basis, utterly bombproof (except for manhole covers!) and a real personality for £2,000. Then again - we were desperate for a good home so priced at what the family could afford.
 
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try get them to get the pony on project horses before they ruin it completely, they obviously haven't got a clue!
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The trouble is they think they have worked wonders with it! They seem to think that it is a perfect pony club pony (I would not put a child on him at the moment - he needs a very competent child or an adult as he is apparently very strong). The lady who owns him thinks he is a brilliant jumper because he manages to clear 2'9" (with a lot of effort from a hackney trot and so unbalanced).

They approached me to give some advice on flatwork, but after about ten minutes of trying to explain the essentials, the mother got bored and started putting up jumps. Basically pony has been ragged over jumps because they think that will make him worth more money. No basic schooling whatsoever.

I think they took him out jumping two weeks after buying him. I don't see him selling for what they think he will, but then it depends how honest she is - at the moment she is telling people he is bombproof and suitable for a novice, able to jump 3'6" at shows. I don't even know whether they will admit to how bad his sweet itch gets without all his lotions and potions.
 
So they bought it for £1200, havent really improved on it in any way shape or form and reckon now, a year on its worth £5k.............. the equine world never ceases to amaze me!

I would personally advertise it at £1500 and be prepared to take what they paid for it........... if I was looking to buy I wouldnt give then more than £900 though!
 
He sounds like somebody would buy him (at the right price!) as a project to sell on, and they certainly won't pay 5k! She is going to get herself into serious trouble if she claims such whopping lies. To be honest if she is prepared to delude herself that much I'm not suprised she had a go when you said what you thought he was worth
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At least you tried!

Hopefully anyone who comes to try him based on her lies will quickly find out the truth - if she lies about SI then at least anyone who gets a vetting should find that bit out. The scary thing is that the knowledgeable people will not be interested in him (not because of SI but because of his ability & temperament) but those who don't know too much may not see through the lies, and he is more than likely to end up in an unknowledeagble home where god knows what will happen
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The only thing I think you could do from now on is to suggest to her she looks at some horse ads to see for herself what similar horse sell for, but I guess she'll liken him to a HOYS prospect with 9 years ridden experience!
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I wouldn't pay anything for a pony like this especially with sweet itch. Better to buy an unbacked pony than one that has been mucked around with IMO.

If they get £5k they'll be laughing....and the buyers will be mugs!!
 
Thewonderhorse's fantastic coloured cob is for sale and he isn't advertised for £5k, so these people are bonkers. Sweet-itch can be a nightmare to control and is a welfare issue. A green, late-started 9 year old cob is only suitable for someone experienced. I would expect to get £1250 or thereabouts.
 
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