Arean Uk BD-frustrating day:

[amage]

Actually was discussing ulcers with my vet the other day and she feels doing the omeprazole trial the way you are doing PS is far more beneficial. With scoping you cannot check the cecum etc so she said often if she finds no ulcers on scope she would do drug trial anyway as scope can't rule them out 100%. Basically said if horse is uninsured then they don't scope as will have to try the GG anyway so easier to just do that!

 

[Talented Mare]

ok, sorry just didnt have enough time to completley read the thread and have seen a little of another thread now the valeveiw one.

What your trying then sounds positive. Fingers crossed all works out.

do keep us updated as this could be a consideration for me to try with the boy once gastrogaurd is out!

 

[Prince33Sp4rkle]

will do, no probs

 

[now_loves_mares]

Amage, was your vet suggesting omeprazole (predictive text wanted to put omertà ole!) could treat hind gut ulcers? My mare had them and was told by vet, plus lots of reading, that it's very hard to get anything to work that far back. My mare had 6 weeks of GG which cured her stomach ulcers but not her colitis

 

[SpottedCat]

At the risk of repeating myself, the problem with not scoping is that some ulcers don't respond to GG and also require antibiotics. So going with omeprezole first may work (as in this case) or it may not - but it not working doesn't mean there are no ulcers, so you would have to scope anyway. Therefore given the relative cheapness of scoping (about the same as two anky pads and matching bandages ), it makes sense to scope first, then you a) know what you are treating and b) have a baseline to measure improvement against. Whilst clearly in this case the dice fell in PS' favour, if the omeprezole had no effect then that didn't rule out ulcers. So long as one is aware of that, and doesn't assume that ulcers therefore aren't the issue, then there's no reason not to do it this way round. The problem arises when people think omeprezole is the be all and end all and then go down a lot of blind alleys thinking they have ruled out ulcers when in fact they haven't.

(PS I know you know this, am aiming this at the wider audience who reads all this stuff!! )

 

[amage]

Amage, was your vet suggesting omeprazole (predictive text wanted to put omertà ole!) could treat hind gut ulcers? My mare had them and was told by vet, plus lots of reading, that it's very hard to get anything to work that far back. My mare had 6 weeks of GG which cured her stomach ulcers but not her colitis

No but she has noted some mild improvements in trials and appetite improved whereas without the GG the appetite was non-existant. They eventually pinpointed the cause to being a feed ingredient that the horse couldn't tolerate (Soya Bean I think!). Either way while the GG didn't cure it helped. Her attitude is if symptoms are there then treat whether they show up scoped (if you choose to scope) or not.