Argh....should I give up trying to make my SJer into a dressage horse?

MizElz

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I'm feeling incredibly disheartened about the way mine and Ellie's 'dressage' transition is going. For those who don't know, we used to SJ at a reasonable level, until a nasty accident during gridwork made me completely lose my nerve over fences. We then did nothing competitively for three years; last year, however, I had the 'wonderful' idea of trying to make Ellie into a dressage horse. We went back to the instructor who taught me to ride, eighteen years ago, and after a good number of lessons we started going out and about. I began to actually enjoy competing again - even though it was at a much lower level than we had ever SJed! Ellie has lovely paces, but she doesnt find working in an outline very easy; she is very resistant in canter, and struggles to engage her hindquarters - something that didnt seem to matter so much in showjumping, but which certainly presents problems now and, if I'm honest, may have been partly to blame for our gridwork accident. I know that these issues would be helped greatly by frequent lunging, but this is practically impossible for me due to the fact that I have nowhere to school her - there are no schools within easily accessible reach, and at the moment, most of the fields are waterlogged
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Ellie was also badly frightened by her previous owners when they lunged her as a youngster, and so if I was to lunge her now, I need a good consistent surface with secure fencing, just in case she panics. Most of my schooling is done on our round robin hack route - mainly on country lanes. Tonight, however, I made the most of the fact that the farmer has just spread a load of fresh muck on the field in front of our house - half-rotted straw makes a lovely surface! Elz, though, was a nightmare - we havent done anything competitive, or had any lessons, since way before xmas, and so I didnt intend on asking her to do too much. But even asking for her to soften and deepen resulted in a short, choppy, crab-like canter - then, when we finally managed a few steps of a nice forward going, impulsive trot, she spooked so violently that I was flung up her neck. I hate falling out with her, but today she just refused to listen! Although during the time when we were jumping we thought nothing of using aids like the bungee or draw reins, I am now so aware of the false sense of security they give that I am determined to get Ellie working naturally. Today, I persevered with her, and in the end we managed 10 minutes or so of semi-decent trot work. But, since last year, we have gone so far backwards I think we are even worse than when we started this dressage lark.
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I cannot afford regular lessons - nor competitions - at the moment, but I'm wondering whether I should abandon schooling her until I have the time and money to really concentrate on doing it all properly, and just hack out in the meantime? Mum was watching from the window and told me that I'm beginning to set my hands against Ellie again - something that last year I worked very hard to stop! I think I'm going to get her teeth looked at, too, just to eliminate the possibility that her resistance may be due to any kind of pain. I guess I'm just feeling a bit lost at the moment! Sorry for rambling; it's not often I get down about my girlie, but when all we do is fight each other, I begin to wonder whether such radical reschooling was such a good idea. Maybe we should have just stayed happy hackers....
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I have to admit I struggled in the few tests I did with my ex SJ, he was all up front and just never adapted.....he is now retired from SJ and most things apart from hacking and showing.

Not sure, some can do it, just dont want to!!
 
Sorry I can't help I'm afraid but I can really sympathise. I bought my quirky young showjumper last April and after months of stress and a stint in re-hab she's been working ok for a few months. However since buying her it turns out I can't jump for the forseeable future because of a back injury and I'm feeling totally lost about what to do with her. She's a pretty habitual bolter so I've been very apprehensive about getting her hacking out and, in the school, if she's not bu**ering off she's painfully stuffy and hard to even steer around the arena, let alone progress with dressage in mind. She's still only six and she's won a bit of money jumping with a professional so in some ways I'm tempted to sell. However, firstly I don't want to lose money and I would being honest about her problems, secondly if I sold her it will turn out that in a years time I'll be able to jump again, and more importantly I'm scared for where she'll end up. She's a lovely natured mare I just wish she was a more enjoyable ride. Sometimes when you choose to be loyal to a horse and keep it for many years though, you do just have to accept that it may never be a dressage horse/jumper/hack or whatever. Hard isn't it?
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Its having nowhere to school that is big problem - my mare sounds very similar, out of Randi, bred to jump, but after my 2nd broken leg have never recovered my confidence jumping! I rented a lovely yard, but with no school I could'nt cope and ended up moving back to a livery yard.

I have found consistant schooling, a minimum of 3 times a week and have seen real improvements, still vary her work, do gridwork once a week (only small!), hack, and do pleasure rides and trec (which she really enjoys).

With my schooling now, always insist on long and low, and it takes 15 or so mins before she will relax and work nicely, we still have a long long way to go, but I could'nt manage without a school.
 
Don't give up!!!!
I'd get a physio to show you some exercises to get her working more from behind, you don't need to lunge her, you can do some fantastic things with other ground work.
When your out hackingdo some transitions, and leg yield and most importantly shoulder in, you may start with a rubbish shoulder in but it will improve her self carriage no end and help her.
She sounds like she needs her saddle and back checked, if she stuffy/bolting.
Try to see her as something that you can enjoy achieving something with and set yourself goals.
You sound frustrated but hey thats horses for you. Try not to get angry when your angry/upset you can't do anything constructive.
Best of luck xx
 
hey, I know how you feel. My boy wasnt a show jumper (or anything probably) but being a rescue horse he was in an awful state as far as schooling went, and had the tyical hollow outline with head in the air as high as it would go with the slightest rein pressure, its taken me 2 years, which started with hacking down quite country lanes with no contact at all (literally holding onto the buckly of the reins) and pushing him forward in order to activate the hind legs, this took a good 2 months before he would stretch out properly in both walk and trot, ive then slowly picked up the contact, and were now at a point where if he wants to, he works beautifully, if he doesnt, well god help you theres nothing you can do! and canter is still attrocious.

But sticking with it is always wroth it, and theres no harm in taking a step back and working on the things you can do, you may find when you move forward again it all comes easier! Also, if you know that lunging is likely to cause a problem, dont bother with it, in my gods honest opinion, its not all its cracked up to be! But if it is something you want to try, you could start with long-reining, and work you way round too lunging

Good luck xxx
 
I agree with Zelli. If you are schooling on hacks and around then I would do loads of leg-yeilding, 5 meter loops etc. and get her to work and think at the same time.

I would also forget about getting her to work long and low and just leave her head alone (will help with the hand fixing as well) and just ride her bum and if she ignores you just tap her (not hard) with a whip behind your leg or on her bum to get her to start to listen to you, you may have to be percistant but working from behind will stop her from being all stuffed up. Then I would put side-reins on (very loosely (much more loosely that when lunging)) and ask her to work from behind but allow her to work into the side-reins without interference from your reins and then I would start to pick up your contact after that but still with the side-reins on and then you can take them off.

However, when you first start to use the side-reins I would work in a school preferably with someone who knows horses around as you don't know how she will react though it shouldn't be any different if you put them on loosely enough.

Hope this helps.
 
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