arrrghhhh really?selling rant with snarling

You lot haven't even lived yet as far as numpties:D

Imagine this - I had my Section D gelding advertised for full loan, the ad was very specific about his 'specialness'. He was to stay on my adult only yard, experienced quiet rider and handler, again specified NO under 16's, NO novices. The best 2 calls I got were from the 12 year olds (4 of 'em!) who wanted to share him for the summer holidays. And the best ever, a bloke who wanted to 'loan' him for his wedding day as his fiancée fancied arriving at the church on horseback...who was most annoyed when I said no cos he would have matched the wedding colour scheme and looked "brill" in the photos :p This was despite me telling him that that loaning horses wasn't quite the same as the something borrowed bit of the wedding rhyme for weddings and with this horse the bride would be only getting married after a trip to A&E...:eek:
 
Batgirl :Couple of devils advocate questions for the poster who says no texts at all :D ...

What if the buyer is deaf? Still no texts?
Cripplingly shy? Still no texts?
Poor signal? Still no texts?

EMAIL!
EMAIL!
EMAIL!

IMO there are plenty of reasons to text first, I would never do full negotiations but first contact.


EXACTLY!


If an ad says no texts to me that says they want to be able to talk you round and it really puts me off.


Just want to know you not an axe weilding loonie..nothing more!:-)


However a text at 11pm!!!! Fuming!!!

Very!!Look how much chocolate & champagne icecream mountain suffered in this episode!!

That said buying and selling absolutely sucks and you have my sympathies!
Thank you...it does doesn't it just!!
 
cbmcts said:
You lot haven't even lived yet as far as numpties:D

Imagine this - I had my Section D gelding advertised for full loan, the ad was very specific about his 'specialness'. He was to stay on my adult only yard, experienced quiet rider and handler, again specified NO under 16's, NO novices. The best 2 calls I got were from the 12 year olds (4 of 'em!) who wanted to share him for the summer holidays. And the best ever, a bloke who wanted to 'loan' him for his wedding day as his fiancée fancied arriving at the church on horseback...who was most annoyed when I said no cos he would have matched the wedding colour scheme and looked "brill" in the photos :p This was despite me telling him that that loaning horses wasn't quite the same as the something borrowed bit of the wedding rhyme for weddings and with this horse the bride would be only getting married after a trip to A&E...:eek:
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Thank you for making me feel a million times better...tell me..is he still available..and does he have thumbs or is he able to reply to texts..in person or with phone...:D:D:D
 
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Flame_ said:
I like to text. Emails sometimes take ages to get a response to, during which time someone could have phoned, viewed and bought the horse. It always surprises me, the lack of urgency many people seem to apply to buying horses, I like to see horses as soon as the ad goes up if I like the look of them.

Starting off with a text asking "is **brief description** horse still available? Is it OK to call and ask you a few questions about it?" and, if there's a POA "What sort of price is the horse?" I figure that's pretty straightforward and if a seller won't put themselves out enough to answer that by text, they're probably a PITA to deal with anyway and I'd just move on and keep looking.

Hang in there OP, it can take ages to find the right home for horses but if you're patient you've every chance of the right buyers coming along soon.
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Thank you Flame...can you please rewrite this as an HHO sticky??? Buying selling ettiquette...we could make millions then I could pay someone to play with my two while i keep them and snarl from the side of the school that its not me riding them!:o
 
SaharaS said:
Thank you for making me feel a million times better...tell me..is he still available..and does he have thumbs or is he able to reply to texts..in person or with phone...:D:D:D
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Tssk, he doesn't need opposable thumbs - there's nothing that he can't barge through and mobile phones are for eating:D When he was a yearling - back when mobiles were bricks - he nicked my phone from my pocket and bit it, cracking the screen. I will never forget standing in Car Phone Warehouse in Liverpool Street listening to the guy there on the phone to the insurance co. saying "Yes, a horse bit it. Well, that's what she said" very loudly in a 'yeah right' voice. :D

As I said he's very special :o and no I finally got sense and just retired him!
 
oh lordy, i'll be putting one of mine up for share/loan soon and i was already dreading it, after reading this i think i'm going to have to up my prozac and buy a few bottles of gin to cope:eek::eek:
 
I had calls/texts and emails about my mare. I dont mind how people decide to ask me the questions as long as the know whats what before they come and view my horse. Id rather get all the questions by text and someone view a horse that suits them, than a quick phone call and waste my time viewing something unsuitable for them.
 
I've only ever sold once and the first enquiry I got to my advert for a lead rein pony was a very badly written email asking if the pony was nice and would it jump. Very broken English and obviously not a native English speaker so I immediately thought it was a scam. Especially when the email asked if I'd accept a cheque! It actually was a genuine buyer. The mother was from Russia and it turned out that grandma was buying the pony for them. They were lovely people and we still get emails from them years later.

I am so glad I didn't ignore the email thinking it was a scam! It was very close!

Also have to say I'm almost deaf so I would always text or email first as I struggle to understand on the phone. As for getting someone else to call I wouldn't want to because I'd like to hear about my potential pony first! Childish maybe but it's not fun having someone else tell you about it!

That said I agree selling is a nightmare and wish you lots of luck. :)
 
If this cheers you up - ad for forward going competition pony for share/loan that stresses that it's young, forward going and good at its job. Some of the 'best' replies/experiences:
- I'm confident riding anything at my riding school (turned out to be terrified just sitting on the poor pony cos it went forward without needing to be kicked!)
- I want something forward going and fast in jump-offs (sounds right, until she complained the pony was scary despite being able to stop it no probs in a snaffle and it not putting a foot wrong).
- Can I move your pony to my RS for the summer hols to share between three teenagers?
- Could my daughter and her friend share the pony at weekends, they can walk, trot and canter....
- Or the four or five replies who are no longer interested when told they can't jump it EVERY time they ride...

etc etc.
 
Ibblebibble said:
oh lordy, i'll be putting one of mine up for share/loan soon and i was already dreading it, after reading this i think i'm going to have to up my prozac and buy a few bottles of gin to cope:eek::eek:
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I made tonnes of sloe gin..but I don't drink and hate gin..perhaps i should set up a therapy centre for people selling/buying! I tell you I am actually considering drinking..instead of just using alcohol for making yummy treats!

badgermyers said:
I had calls/texts and emails about my mare. I dont mind how people decide to ask me the questions as long as the know whats what before they come and view my horse. Id rather get all the questions by text and someone view a horse that suits them, than a quick phone call and waste my time viewing something unsuitable for them.
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Exactly...but also helps if they know what they are on about before contacting!!!the only thing worse than pesky timewaster texts/calls are the ones that turn up knowing its totally not what they need/want/can afford despite saying all opposite before hand...like the classic..he's advertised as 15.2 as a rising 4yr old. I tell them from outset in email stage that his mum is 15.3 h and father 16h...much timewasting later, they decide against as he's not 17hh...well done!!!

bikerchickone said:
I've only ever sold once and the first enquiry I got to my advert for a lead rein pony was a very badly written email asking if the pony was nice and would it jump. Very broken English and obviously not a native English speaker so I immediately thought it was a scam. Especially when the email asked if I'd accept a cheque! It actually was a genuine buyer. The mother was from Russia and it turned out that grandma was buying the pony for them. They were lovely people and we still get emails from them years later.

I am so glad I didn't ignore the email thinking it was a scam! It was very close!

Also have to say I'm almost deaf so I would always text or email first as I struggle to understand on the phone. As for getting someone else to call I wouldn't want to because I'd like to hear about my potential pony first! Childish maybe but it's not fun having someone else tell you about it!

That said I agree selling is a nightmare and wish you lots of luck. :)
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Thats a lovely positive to read, thank you! Nice to know they kept in touch too-makes it all so much easier! Re hearing related technicalities,fair enough in all points, its just that she wanted to do everything by text not email which I couldn't understand-I felt limited...and the horse in question was uber sensitive to new people/surroundings and uses her voice/whinnie/chortles to communicate alot, I think the lady who was totally deaf would have possibly been not the ideal home for two reasons, and..before I get shot down for this, I would dread to think of anyone getting hurt because they were not able to read the warning signals simply as they were unable to hear them .Until she is settled, she can be incredibly highly strung and this is when she can be a little reactive or 'special!' but as soon as she's settled, 100% fine,its just her-they are all individuals.also that i had specifically stated that she was for sale strictly never to be ridden and she wanted her as not a broodmare/companion but as a lead horse to ride to teach her youngsters who were difficult...so wrong senario all together. I would not want her ridden as stated so absolutely no way if someone is not taking in what i have deliberately been very clear about.In all other respects, i am sure she would have offered an amazing home!:D
 
I had a seller who didn't seem to like emails, the main question I wanted answering was whereabouts is the horse based, she simply emailed back CHESHIRE I suppose because that was written on the ad and she thought I hadn't read it, I then explained 'yes I know it says Cheshire, but if you could tell me WHERE in Cheshire as it is quite big... I had asked a few open questions about health and soundness while she'd had the horse and she said she wouldnt answer those because she couldn't guarantee the answers - she'd had the horse for 6 weeks at a trekking centre but it was a bit too fizzy for newbies. You'd think you could say 'no problems while we've had her' or you know, just answer truthfully. I just thought the way she was dealing with me was rude.

I did say if you can just clarify a few things like location so I know it is visitable then I can call to discuss further, but guess what I'm too busy with viewings I arranged quickly by email now!
 
mystiandsunny said:
If this cheers you up - ad for forward going competition pony for share/loan that stresses that it's young, forward going and good at its job. Some of the 'best' replies/experiences:
- I'm confident riding anything at my riding school (turned out to be terrified just sitting on the poor pony cos it went forward without needing to be kicked!)
- I want something forward going and fast in jump-offs (sounds right, until she complained the pony was scary despite being able to stop it no probs in a snaffle and it not putting a foot wrong).
- Can I move your pony to my RS for the summer hols to share between three teenagers?
- Could my daughter and her friend share the pony at weekends, they can walk, trot and canter....
- Or the four or five replies who are no longer interested when told they can't jump it EVERY time they ride...

etc etc.
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Its official...this DID make me feel better...and I am as a result going to start drinking...just incase i get any of your callers!:D
 
mandwhy said:
I had a seller who didn't seem to like emails, the main question I wanted answering was whereabouts is the horse based, she simply emailed back CHESHIRE I suppose because that was written on the ad and she thought I hadn't read it, I then explained 'yes I know it says Cheshire, but if you could tell me WHERE in Cheshire as it is quite big... I had asked a few open questions about health and soundness while she'd had the horse and she said she wouldnt answer those because she couldn't guarantee the answers - she'd had the horse for 6 weeks at a trekking centre but it was a bit too fizzy for newbies. You'd think you could say 'no problems while we've had her' or you know, just answer truthfully. I just thought the way she was dealing with me was rude.

I did say if you can just clarify a few things like location so I know it is visitable then I can call to discuss further, but guess what I'm too busy with viewings I arranged quickly by email now!
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Good grief..I absolutely think rather a few actually have been sent by aliens to test our patience-buyers as well as sellers from what everyone has shared! I think people should have to take tests before being allowed to text/email..and have their thumbs taped to their ears if they fail! Must also clarify i am not obsessed with thumbs. Glad to hear you found some to view and by email too...can you find me some sensible buyers to view mine???;-)
 
I have advertised for loan share and sale before, all not novice rides. Get al sorts of replies. Normally the opposite of what I have asked for. Wen I have actually just though... Give them a chance and meet and actually c what they r like, they either don't turn up (yep thanks for that, like I have time to waste hanging round waiting!!) Or very novicy but think they not and that horse is just particularly difficult!! She is not easy, she us not a novice ride and she us very forward going, BUT a million times better than wen u got her as u can now use ur legs to steer and not as an excuse to bolt off!!
I said no under 18 s so got mainly 13 yr olds replying. Some didn't even know what loan actually meant and wen explained they realised it was completey out of budget. They don't want to pay the advertised price for share, or ok if can ride lots (like every day), or want a mother and daughter share (and for the same price!)...grrr
Best one r that I have had a couple up for share over last few years and I advertise on same website and the same people reply to me time and time again even tho I politely explained tge first time that they werent suitable!!!

However did find lovely share eventually, but she has brought a horse off my friend, that I was looking after! At least she has stayed at my yard, so we can still help each other out!! Good luck. X
 
What a nightmare for you :(

Although I did email our current ponies owner first, as she emailed me in response to my ' wanted advert' have to say though after the initial contact we did phone each other.

Ps not shooting you down at all :) I am deaf in one ear ( so do have some hearing ) but what I have found is my self and completly deaf friends, appear to heightened body language awareness, so I just wanted to say, don't right a deaf person off :) xx
 
SaharaS said:
true..I have had one deaf lady text, but she refused to even get a friend to speak to me and was reluctant to give me any of her experience or background via text or email so I declined the viewing-like to know a tiny bit of the potential home, even if its not spoken...
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I'm not trying to be funny, But what you have just said is really upsetting to me., And deeply offensive.
 
Queenofdiamonds said:
I'm not trying to be funny, But what you have just said is really upsetting to me., And deeply offensive.
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Why on earth would you find that deeply offensive? How would the seller know if there was any chance of the potential buyer suiting the horse or not? I've turned people away as it was apparent they were too novice and I didn't want my sensitive horse upset by a novice rider!
 
Sorry i should clarify, It's not the no texting that offends me regarding the deaf woman, It's that you expect her to go get someone to relay things for her. Have you any idea how humiliating that would be?

My daughter is profoundly deaf and it's bad enough for me that people speak to her like she is dumb. She, And our audiologists (One of whom is one of the countries finest) agree, is more capable of communicating her needs than any child her age. She is incredibly intelligent, She amazes everyone she meets. I can't go anywhere without a crowd of other parents gathering!

For someone to expect her to be seen as an invalid who can't cope with a simple task is hurtful and offensive. If you sent a text back saying reply/email me with your experience and then we can arrange a viewing, then fair enough.

Regarding your horse, I will give it a home, BUT it must be bombproof, novice ride [For me and 30 other 14 year olds obvs], cost £10 a week to keep, be able to jump and be free to good home, and you have to deliver it [also free] to my home [which is, of course, about 60 million miles away from yours] and it needs to have suitable tack too :D;)
 
Agree QoD , you said exactly what I ment :)

Because of my partial hearing, my daughter has a great ( sometimes to the point of smitten) :) with a profoundly deaf boy, he has chocklear SP implants, but because of me, she understands that she has to talk to him clearly ( not loudly) and if possible facing him :)

Sorry to hyjack , but I have never seen myself as having a disability ( which I dont really ), my hearing is simply impaired!!!!

I would never want someone to say to me, ' you can't understand me!, can I discuss with your friend ?'

However I do not understand why the lady was not open to email, or indeed meet with you, that sounds suspicious to me!!!!
 
mulledwhine said:
Agree QoD , you said exactly what I ment :)

Because of my partial hearing, my daughter has a great ( sometimes to the point of smitten) :) with a profoundly deaf boy, he has chocklear SP implants, but because of me, she understands that she has to talk to him clearly ( not loudly) and if possible facing him :)

Sorry to hyjack , but I have never seen myself as having a disability ( which I dont really ), my hearing is simply impaired!!!!

I would never want someone to say to me, ' you can't understand me!, can I discuss with your friend ?'

However I do not understand why the lady was not open to email, or indeed meet with you, that sounds suspicious to me!!!!
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My daughter uses them, She has a profound sensorineural loss and uses bilateral cochlear implants. She had the op last year and her spoken english is coming on nicely, She uses BSL though it's her first language, Obviously there are times, especially in the wind etc when the implants do not offer her their full 'ability' so to speak.

I don't see her as having a disability either, I don't think anyone who has met Lily could see her as disabled haha! She is a madam, She knows exactly what she wants, She knows how to get it too.

Sorry for the gushy mum post haha, I am just endlessly proud of her. She amazes me every day.

This is her activation :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiiz3otvKXc
 
And rightly so :) my daughters ' boyfriend' is cheeky , charming and has perfect speech , he has had the implants since he was about 2/3 though, so you darling girl will get there :D

The only thing is , when he is being naughty he takes his ' ears' out LOL or indeed when my daughter is getting on his nerves :D

Win win situation LOL
 
My daughter went through a phase of taking hers out when her little brother was born in october. She was very naughty with them!

She is usually quite good though, Sometimes she will ask to take them off and just use sign if she is very tired.

I am dreading the day she removes them mid telling off and turns her back on me! I will be like :eek::eek::eek::eek: and probably stand there with my bottom jaw on the floor like a numpty.
 
mulledwhine said:
Agree QoD , you said exactly what I ment :)

I would never want someone to say to me, ' you can't understand me!, can I discuss with your friend ?'

However I do not understand why the lady was not open to email, or indeed meet with you, that sounds suspicious to me!!!!
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To clarify, I NEVER said it this way, I am tactful and not a complete *itch thank you. I did not know why she would not email or call so it was only then that I queried it and She responded in HER LAST text that it was because she had a hearing impairment. I think Queen of Diamonds and Mulled Whine have both taken me too literally, i am sorry you have both been so highly offended, but I am not a psychic so no way i could ever have known until she explained. It was a post on here actually that someone suggested they would normally get a hearing friend to correspond. I am a single girl alone with a potential viewer who I had no idea if they were male or female -My condition/spinal injuries, highlighted in my ad subtly but felt VERY vunerable as I will be alone for viewings and in a secluded place with no back up-you have a daughter and so I hope you understand why I wanted to be cautious and know who's coming before i hand out my address and directions to someone who could potentially be the most lovely person..or a theif/axe murderer. Mulled Whine I think picked up on this as the suspicious bit which is exactly what I felt. Some people will have mis read my posts as offensive, I cannot help that but I can assure you I would NEVER be so cruel or insolent and am sad that you took it that way.
 
Posie said:
Why on earth would you find that deeply offensive? How would the seller know if there was any chance of the potential buyer suiting the horse or not? I've turned people away as it was apparent they were too novice and I didn't want my sensitive horse upset by a novice rider!
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Thank you Posie x

Just want to say...The mare broke my back when we had our accident in 2004 and is therefore NOT to be ridden and advertised as such. I would be cruel and evil & just totally wrong in so many ways if i knowingly sold a NOT TO BE RIDDEN horse to someone who would ride her..not only to the person but to the mare, particularly as i know the horse so well. I think I also mentioned above the phrase impaired rather than disabled so that is I believe the pc term...glad some people have read this correctly instead of shutting their eyes and missing the reasons which I stand by and feel are VERY valid. Also, at no time did I turn the lady away, she never came, I only presume she was not male. never got a name only a user id type name on text. Secondly, the reason was that the mare was not for riding and not because of the person being totally deaf-their words not mine.
 
You misread my post, xx

At the end I did say ' I don't understand why she would not email you , and that sounded suspicious ' xxx

We just got talking about common ground :)

No offense by my self directed at you xx
 
mulledwhine said:
You misread my post, xx

At the end I did say ' I don't understand why she would not email you , and that sounded suspicious ' xxx

We just got talking about common ground :)

No offense by my self directed at you xx
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Thank you...i did a second post after, it was more QoD my replies were for but I didn't want to do 15 "and another thing" posts and felt slightly eeked! I'm genuinely the last person in the world who would wish to offend or hurt someone, intentionally or otherwise so glad at least you understand and are not offended x
 
SaharaS said:
To clarify, I NEVER said it this way, I am tactful and not a complete *itch thank you. I did not know why she would not email or call so it was only then that I queried it and She responded in HER LAST text that it was because she had a hearing impairment. I think Queen of Diamonds and Mulled Whine have both taken me too literally, i am sorry you have both been so highly offended, but I am not a psychic so no way i could ever have known until she explained. It was a post on here actually that someone suggested they would normally get a hearing friend to correspond. I am a single girl alone with a potential viewer who I had no idea if they were male or female -My condition/spinal injuries, highlighted in my ad subtly but felt VERY vunerable as I will be alone for viewings and in a secluded place with no back up-you have a daughter and so I hope you understand why I wanted to be cautious and know who's coming before i hand out my address and directions to someone who could potentially be the most lovely person..or a theif/axe murderer. Mulled Whine I think picked up on this as the suspicious bit which is exactly what I felt. Some people will have mis read my posts as offensive, I cannot help that but I can assure you I would NEVER be so cruel or insolent and am sad that you took it that way.
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Ah, I didn't realise that you didn't realise she was deaf at first. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

I would guess if she is actively involved in the deaf community she was probably refusing out of offence. The community can be a funny one.. There are certain members who will openly admit that if they saw me in the street they would blank me - Solely because i have chosen to give my daughter cochlear implants and they find the concept offensive.

Please don't think i'm the sort that go out looking to take offence where there is none - And yes, I now completely understand with you being alone that would warrant an extra need to be cautious, It is just such a sensitive subject for some - I think partly because those who live with it do not see it as a disability, where as those who don't, Can't imagine not hearing and do think of a deaf person as disabled, Sometimes things come across wrong and can seem as though people are implying things that they aren't.
 
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