As a livery - would it upset you if...

If the setup is as you described in your first post then I'd be fine with it. Consideration given to mare owners, but in fact one of my geldings would be likely to be the most trouble. However, if the stallion is well kept and handled that's my problem and really a bit of a learning opportunity. All 3 of mine go close past a yard full of stallions when I take them out, and sometimes are being ridden past as the stallions are worked on the other side of the fence.
I've been on several well run yards where a stallion or two has also been at livery, it's been fine if the situation is handled properly.
I don't know what "awkwardsitu"'s problem is, but if they are a livery at this yard and they think that things aren't as stated they should take it up with the yard owner. (Like a grown-up rather than an internet stalker).
 
Its not normally the stallion's that are the problem - its the owner and how they treat them ;)
I have liveried at a yard with very well behaved stallions (they all used to have a gelding companion!)
The first yard I was on had an owner that didn't have a clue and said stallion was a pain in the bum they were asked to leave eventually as it was just too dangerous.
 
Every yard I have been on has had at least one stallion - not really sure what the problem is, unless I misread and the OP in fact was concerned about livery for her fire breathing dragon. Sounds like there is a good set-up and precautions are being taken - I would have no issue at all. I could be biased though, because I think Rio is lovely. :o
 
stallioncrazy1969 said:
What many people forget is that If a shetland pony wanted to take you out they quite easily would in a flash.
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This is a very good point - a shetland pony can 'take you out' :rolleyes: if it wanted to. So can a mare, so can a gelding. So I don't see why a stallion is such a massive no no in this situation.

stallioncrazy1969 said:
What you have to remember is that you're stallion is going to send all the horses hormones raging which is natural, but when owners wan't to school their mare without a stroppy hissy fit.
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This would be exactly the same if you went to a show and there was a stallion in the warm up ring, I'd expect my mare to have the manners to get on with it!
 
muckypony said:
This is a very good point - a shetland pony can 'take you out' :rolleyes: if it wanted to. So can a mare, so can a gelding. So I don't see why a stallion is such a massive no no in this situation.

Because stallions hormones control their body....they don't think like a mare or a gelding would! ever heard the term
Tell a gelding
Ask a mare and negotiate with a stallion
Most people don't wan't to be trying to negotiate with an out of control stallion flipping out. which is why they become so dangerous when they are in the wrong hands...e.g A miner or an inexperienced owner.

This would be exactly the same if you went to a show and there was a stallion in the warm up ring, I'd expect my mare to have the manners to get on with it!
Again there is a huge difference between keeping a mare on the same yard as a stallion opposed to meeting one in a warm up arena. Different situation and atmosphere.
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StallionCrazy..... It would be interesting to find out who has 'stallion experience' rather than hearsay. If I reacted to hearsay I would never have moved to my current yard.... In my experience the most 'stallion' like behaviour I have witnessed is head turning to nip when being rugged (fairly common for other horses too!) And a neigh at my mare when they were tied up on the yard and she squirted at him. Hardly dangerous but as soon as she realised she was in season we put another two paddocks in between them for the week!

The horse I least like to handle on the yard is a 14.2 gelding, I would say he behaves more like a stallion than the stallion!
 
Also - I don't know why any 'miners' would be handling my horse. Not many coal pits round our way (or children being allowed to handle my animal for that matter).
 
BillieBlitzen said:
StallionCrazy..... It would be interesting to find out who has 'stallion experience' rather than hearsay.
As I commented in a previous quote I have over 25 years experience with stallions and even so I am extremely cautious. The point i'm trying to get across is people are rather ignorant of their natural behavior and instincts.

All of my stallions are schooled to pre st george level of dressage. When they have finished their career they will be breed from as they have excellent blood lines. What i don't understand is why people keep them entire for no reason and place them in a small D.I.Y yard where children, mares geldings may be kept.

My personal opinion is if you don't have you're own land or rent you're own land you shouldn't keep them as its very selfish on you're behalf to make the yard dangerous for everyone. I speak from witnessing stallions run through barbed wire/electric fencing to get to a mares in season. Stallions will fight the death to win a mare....It's purely irresponsible of owners to keep them near mares.

Also replying to you're other comment. I have witnessed "Rich" Parents going out clueless and purchasing their child a stallion because they have better paces and look pretty. I speak from personal experiences and perhaps may be completely wrong.
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SC - but Rio, the stallion in question doesn't display these aggressive behaviours and sounds very much like the Stallion on our yard who requires nothing more than distance when mares are in season.......
 
I really don't see why OP is the one being made to feel uncomfortable, the YO obviously doesn't see a problem as her horses are nearest in contact to the stallion - if you don't like it, leave. The bottom line is any horse can cause harm to people and other horses, if someone is worried about being hurt then perhaps they shouldn't have horses. After all, *Accidents happen*.
 
No i'm not involved in this situation.
I am just voicing "My" opinion, after all is that not what a forum is for?
It just angers me when people are oblivious and think because their stallion is tame it therefore won't take any action-That means all stallion owners. In my honest opinion the yard manager is at fault for letting this continue.
 
I have no issues with stallions, ours used to have one and my mare was fine.

As long as the facilities are appropriate and the stallion is handled by someone competent and considerate it doesn't worry me in the slightest (I'm on DIY).

I do think the hysteria over stallions is unnecessary, all the ones I have met have been polite and easier to handle than my Welsh cob mare! My yard is next to the Devils Horsemen, we have stallions ridden out and turned out by us all the time, my mare loves it but it's never an issue :)
 
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stallioncrazy1969 said:
No i'm not involved in this situation.
I am just voicing "My" opinion, after all is that not what a forum is for?
It just angers me when people are oblivious and think because their stallion is tame it therefore won't take any action-That means all stallion owners. In my honest opinion the yard manager is at fault for letting this continue.
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Ah I see. So did you just join today to comment on this thread?
 
We have a stallion on our yard and he is stabled opposite my mare, his field is next to hers (walkway in between).

So no, it doesn't worry me. He's a good lad, and YO knows what she is doing.

OP if your chap behaves himself I am sure your terrified fellow liveries will soon have forgotten they were ever worried about it.
 
i have read through all of the comments above and have taken them in. i understand why people are uncomfortable thats totally understandable but really i think they are jumping the gun a bit :o. Rio has a perfect track record and at our last yard he could touch noses with our mare and gelding and there was never a problem :). before agreeing to move there i offered to hack both Taz and Rio to the yard to meet the other liveries so they could see what he was like and meet him - no one took me up on this offer so they yard owner said that we could move on to the yard. also about the comment about minors i dont know if that was aimed at me from a livery or not but i may look 14 but im actually not and i have handled stallions before. both my parents have had horses all their lives and have worked on stud farms, racing yards, showing yards, and showjumping yards so they both have experience there. for any liveries reading my post - i will speak to the YO im very sorry for any upset that has been caused or if my post was in anyway offensive it was not meant in that way i was just curious of other peoples opinions on the matter as i do believe that we could have been more sensitive about the issue. if there are any issues regarding rio, taz or missy then please do let me know. if there is anything you want to know about him then dont hesitate to ask i dont bite and please do talk to me about anything you are nervous about as i only hear it through the yard owner which are often passing comments rather then actually talking it through i dont want to make anyone uncomfortable!

im now going to leave the thread to run its course. i dont wish for any upset i may pop back and have a look at anything else written but other than that you may not hear from me again on this particular post :)
 
Stormy you have been very gracious despite being worried for your boy... You haven't said anything wrong and it was clear you were looking at it from both sides and being respectful..... Hope this gets sorted x
 
Crimbowitch said:
Its only the UK that we are all hyper about stallions, on the continent most are kept entire and they think nothing of it.
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So that maskes it ok for every numpty Tom Dick or Harry to own them and have them on DIY livery yards??

I have recently noticed a fashion with young owners for buying colts and leaving them entire for as long as they can cope with so they get 'stallion like' features such as 'cresty' necks and a bit of attitude. I have also noticed that some have put off gelding 'cause it costs more than their animals are worth. One in particular did not bother 'cause the pony was no trouble at all and they had no mares so why spend the money only to find that when they no longer need him as a companion and try to rehome he no-one wants him 'cause now he's an adult the cost of gelding has doubled.

Stallion ownership should not be encouraged, for a start, there are too many numpty owners about these days who might think that owning a stallion will bring them some kudos, add to that the fact that there are far too many poor quality animals in this country already and people are struggling to sell good horses, let alone rubbish.

Stallions are a different kettle of fish to mares and geldings, even those on professional yards, handled, ridden and competed by pros can have their moments. I remember seeing a stallion being ridden by a male pro eventer taking off and mounting a (gelding) pony with a child sitting on it!! If it can happen to pro, it can happen to anyone.

Out of interest, OP, why is your horse entire? As you obviouly don't own your own yard and are unable to rent one to yourself, gelding him woud make life easier for you.
 
I assumed the comments about minors were more referring to a child/teen being hurt by a stallion. But imo, same as with any other scenario, children unable to understand to stay well away from horses they don't have permission to handle should be supervised by an adult. On two yards I've been at that had very dominant, potentially dangerous stallions, both yo's had young kids of their own & it was never an issue. Really, a bad mannered or just clumsy 14hh pony could kill a child if unsupervised, so I don't see a stallion as anymore of a danger to kids as any other horse.
 
Why would I be upset?! I've work with and ridden Stallions and they aren't all the green-eyed monsters people are led to believe they are! If the fence has been adapted, etc there really is no reason for anybody to be upset!
 
My pony is currently stabled next to a stallion and they get on really well they can touch noses through a little mesh window. My pony is a gelding but used to be a stallion, however when he was a stallion he lived with his breeders and he lived in a stallion herd when he was not covering so there were three stallions all living out together absolutely fine.

There was also a stallion for a short while on another yard I have been on too. He was turned out at night only when all the other horses in the nearby fields were in for the night. He was stabled away from the other horses and we were told not to lead our horses near his stable.

In both situations the YO lived on site and was around a lot and the horses were owned and handled by professionals and they were very careful and capable of dealing with any incident that might arise.

I think there is an issue about what would happen if you were riding your stallion and fell off and he got loose and there was someone riding a mare in the school at the same time or someone was leading a mare etc. People may feel that they are not happy with riding in the school at the same time as you or leading their mare when you are leading your stallion to the field or perhaps they are worried that if their mare gets loose if they fall off or breaks free whilst you are leading your stallion that there might be an incident.

I am not sure totally DIY yards with no staff around all day are ideal places for stallions, for it to work everyone needs to have total confidence in whoever is handling the stallion and also to some degree if you have a mare you need to have confidence in being able to handle your mare should she get excited.
 
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