Ask a Parelli student....no holds barred....you asked, I giveth.

Broken_Arrow, basically what was said earlier was that whatever the Parelli office might say, many students have enough sense to wear hats.
You may value your time too much to "wade through the thread", but in saying that you are effectively saying that you don't value the time of TIC and others who spent ages painstakingly and politely answering questions asked. So it's OK for you to demand a reply to a question that has already been asked, and expect kind people to type their answers again, but not OK for you to take the trouble to scan through and see if the reply is already there. I don't think your time is more valuable than anyone else's to be honest.
 
Further more, while being firmly in the hat on, chin strap done up corner, I think that the Parellis have a valid point.By THEMSELVES, safety gear will not make you safe.Learning to handle and ride horses safely is at least of equal importance, as is choosing a horse within your competency.
 
Box_Of_Frogs said:
He's rich NOT because his product works but because people desperately want to BELIEVE that it does. Big difference. He's playing on the emotions of decent, ordinary people who are wanting to do right by their horses or who are struggling and out of their depth with a particular problem. He has packaged and glitzed up a beautiful dream, ie do everything that you see done on this cd (NB - he won't actually TELL you how to do it, just show you some end results and tell you how easy it is) and gullible people (me included a few years back) buy into it hoping that it will be a magic cure. It isn't. If all the horse owners who buy his over-priced stuff spent 23 hours a day drilling themselves and their horses, they too would have amazing results, whatever method they used. Remember the old adage: if something looks too good to be true, it ALWAYS is.
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If anyone bought Parelli DVDs and equipment in the hope of achieving 'a quick fix' for a particular problem, they would be very foolish indeed. That's so not what it's about, and I really don't think that it's why the majority of people choose PNH.
 
Box_Of_Frogs said:
He's rich NOT because his product works but because people desperately want to BELIEVE that it does. Big difference. He's playing on the emotions of decent, ordinary people who are wanting to do right by their horses or who are struggling and out of their depth with a particular problem. He has packaged and glitzed up a beautiful dream, ie do everything that you see done on this cd (NB - he won't actually TELL you how to do it, just show you some end results and tell you how easy it is) and gullible people (me included a few years back) buy into it hoping that it will be a magic cure. It isn't. If all the horse owners who buy his over-priced stuff spent 23 hours a day drilling themselves and their horses, they too would have amazing results, whatever method they used. Remember the old adage: if something looks too good to be true, it ALWAYS is.
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Hmmm ..... wasn't this supposed to be a "non Parelli bashing thread"?????:rolleyes:
 
It was, wasn't it. It's like a broken record on these threads sometimes. It was nice to get away from the same people trotting out the same posts for a while.
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Wait Wait WAIT a minute here..... this is still good. I leave for a couple of days and it all goes to #$%^

No I don't think so. Don't forget regardless, they have a right to thier opinion as well as I/you/we do. Sure some don't want to take the time to read it. Oh well....my answer is there, either they go back and read it or they don't. makes no bones to me.

I am now back in my home world, reconnecting with my parelli friends. I thought the thread was DEAD......eeek....apparently NOT!

We just need to stay cool, and not let emotions get the better of us. this is still a good thing.

NO ONE can take away what happened. just because someone NEW comes along, that hasn't read it all, doesn't take away from those who did.

so lets just keep our heads about our selves here.

Who cares if someone hates parelli. they have thier reasons, and are entitled to them, regardless of the fact that we disagree. getting defensive about it will not solve it. they asked a question, I answered. it is up to them what they do with it. it doesn't hurt my feelings if they still disagree, and it shouldn't hurt anyone elses.

great article....nothing to brace against.....look it up savvy people:cool:
 
Broken_Arrow said:
I'm not wading through 11 pages. I value my time more than that!
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your porogative. I dont' know "exactly" why they dont' wear helmets, never asked them. the did issue a statement, already posted a number of times, take it as you will. I don't think it is the most brilliant thing ever written. so what ever flack they get over it, it is up to them to answer for it, not me.:cool:
 
welshwizzard said:
Here you go,this is the parelli statement on helmets!
Hi …..,
Thank you for taking the time to write us. We understand your views and
concerns. As quoted by the faculty at our ranch:

“You are quite right – helmets are fabulous things and they save many lives. Tragically
though, people who ARE wearing helmets also die or suffer serious head injuries in accidents with horses.”

Our program is intended to address the safety problem at its root – which is
behavioral – rather than address the symptoms of it. Our message is about
developing the relationship with the horse, and the savvy level of the rider, so that unsafe behavior is addressed long before the rider gets on the horse - rather than allowing the unsafe situations to continue to occur and hope that the helmet, body protector, etc, will protect us from the consequences.

The reason you do not see our people wearing helmets is because we try to teach people that rather than be brave because they are wearing a helmet to protect them, they would be better off not riding until their horse is behaving safely.

People have called us brave for not wearing helmets, but we say they are a lot braver than we are. We would not get on their horse until we had addressed the issues that cause it to behave in unsafe ways.

We hope this helps,
From the Faculty, Parelli Centers

utter madness!
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can't disagree:cool:
 
pippinpie said:
I would like to answer this how I see it:

I have never seen any marketing that is aimed at novices! most of the marketing is aimed at any horse person thats wants a better relationship with their horse, that could be: novices who want to learn from scratch a method that they feel suits them, more experienced people who have a problem and would like to know how to achieve a better understanding of why their horse behaves in a certain way or people like me very experienced horse person who saw that there is more much more to learn in the way I could 'be' with my horses. I never though I could change that much that would have such a profound effect on them.
Parelli is for everyone, any level, but only if you are seeking/needing/wanting a change.
You say novices don't have the ability to start PNH, then who can help these people? Parelli is a home study program, supported with instructors and clinics, of course PNH starts with novices we are all novices at doing Parelli! Its a step by step program, I was just as inept as a complete beginner when I started 'wiggling' my rope, I was just as dopey and clumsy at using the carrots stick, if you had seen me starting you would think I was a novice too. :D
One of the important points Parelli try to get over to people is that they should 'Pick their Partner, not their poison' so many people have unsuitable horses especially novices, novices having the wrong horse is a disaster waiting to happen in anybodies book, you can't blame PNH for that. If you see people misusing the equipment or methods, it doesn't mean the program is c**p just the people using it in the name of PNH



You tried it and it didn't suit you, thats OK
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Well said. just want to add, with or without parelli, novices are in over thier head. IF they had the good sense to get live instruction, or had live instruction available, they likely would already be using it.

So parelli fills a gap, and MANY novices get not only SAFE using the program, but find a great degree of success. not everyone does, but not every novice finds success with live instruction either. be it parelli or traditional.

fact is horses are a dangerous sport no matter who you are, how great or talented you are, even olympians get hurt. so i don't think the parelli program has cornered the market for causing people to get hurt.:cool:
 
Box_Of_Frogs said:
He's rich NOT because his product works but because people desperately want to BELIEVE that it does. Big difference. He's playing on the emotions of decent, ordinary people who are wanting to do right by their horses or who are struggling and out of their depth with a particular problem. He has packaged and glitzed up a beautiful dream, ie do everything that you see done on this cd (NB - he won't actually TELL you how to do it, just show you some end results and tell you how easy it is) and gullible people (me included a few years back) buy into it hoping that it will be a magic cure. It isn't. If all the horse owners who buy his over-priced stuff spent 23 hours a day drilling themselves and their horses, they too would have amazing results, whatever method they used. Remember the old adage: if something looks too good to be true, it ALWAYS is.
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You obviously have tried the program, and it obviously didnt' work for you. it is not for everyone, and everyone is entitled to share thier experiences. at least you can say that you tried it, and it didnt' work for you. unlike many people who have NOT tried it, who still care to offer an opinion on the program. many people find success and many don't. it is good for the organisation to hear that. your opinion is just as valuable as those that have great success stories.

I often wondered myself, if MY success with the program was due to my already having a wealth of knowlege prior to the program. I can say that there are many times, i was faced in a situation doing the program that I had my previous experience to keep me safe. it has ALWAYS been on my mind, and I try to talk to alot of novice people to gain thier perspective on the program. as part of my experiment of trying the program myself, one of my criteria for myself was to do it alone with NO help. either it is or isn't a home study program. i can say that I only once got help for a particular task that i could not resolve on my own. other than that, i have done it on my own, like many people do. i have had profound success with the program, like many people do. even novices on thier own with no help.

to each his own. it either will work for you or it wont. and that should be fine for anyone who thinks it is ok to judge you for stating your experience.:cool:
 
eahotson said:
I think that saying Pick your partner not your poison is soooo good.Yes,so many novices do have the wrong horse and yes it is a disaster waiting to happen for both parties.
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yes many people, with or without parelli, are over faced by choosing the wrong horse. i have seen more people, novices, hurt in this situation without parelli than with. same goes for the horse. many horses SUFFER greatly at a novices hand, at least parelli teaches kindness and fairness to the horse.:cool:
 
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