Askham Bryan BE100 Water?

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Was there a problem?

Just a friend posted some pictures of her falling in water and said there were several others. Would this be unusual for an event? I can't think of any I have been at that have had more than a couple fall in the water - that I know of

http://www.mgphoto.co.uk/mp_client/...92481&categories=no&keywords2=yes&eventgroup=

If you follow this link then type in the following numbers
031
028
131
166

they all fell there. Must be unusual surely?
 
Only checked out the first two numbers so far... but neither of them had the best of entries to the water as far as you can tell in the photos? 031 seemed to land "flat" on three legs with the 4th trailing from the step and 028 also trailed a hind leg going in?

Water does look deep which probably meant they couldn't muddle through and recover?

Quick edit to add: 131 looked similar to the first two, a poor entry with hindlegs not pushing off as a pair, but the last horse looked to have pushed off evenly, maybe just a little steep?
 
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Agree with FigJam, the first 3 look to have not come off the step very well. The fourth is harder to tell but looks to have landed quite steeply.
 
I rode the be100 track and saw a few people go through the water, I didn't see anyone have problems now did I have any myself. We ha a lot of rain beforehand so it was deep-ish but not overly at all. You had to go through it twice, first a splash in then a small step, perhaps the horses weren't expecting to have to go in twice resulting in sticky entries?
 
it would be my guess the third one was going too fast if you look at the photos of her before in the first water
 
The pics of my horse going through make it look quite deep (119 if anyone's fussed!) but it didn't ride deep at all - barely slowed him down!

Someone did say that they'd found a hole in the base but then their (very experienced indeed) horse fell there and it does tend to be the sort of thing that's said whether it's been checked or not.
 
I agreed with Gamebird, I was there and it did not ride deep but looking at my pics it looks deep and when I first saw them it was the first thing I thought.

I also agree that it was unusual to go through a water and then circle back into it, and the circle was pretty tight at the end of what was an open and galloping course (you cantered through, out and then a tight right turn and straight back in) so maybe that had an influence.

Finally as someone else has mentioned 3 out of the four had iffy jumps in which at the end of the course would have been a factor as well/
 
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the same thing happened at an event i was helping the xc stuard at ,it was a BE100 and what looked like a simple step down into water

there was mayhem there all day the ground was checked and rechecked and on the second day the judge at the water checked it after every horse

that day they were falling because they were simply coming in far to fast to a simple step ,it was near the end of the course and the riders were not respecting the fence at all ,including a 4* rider who should have known better and was followed on the second day as she didn't half kick up a fuss about her early bath :p

there was nothing wrong with the fence at all, all those who took a bath that day did so due to to rider error and nothing else

it may not have been the same at askham but the 2nd faller looked to be out of control and didn't look to give the horse a chance although hard to tell from photo's
 
I would say that the first 3 look surprised to be in water and get a horrible jump in. I think the problem is the ground line on the step. The grass seems to rise up almost to a grassy lip, and then suddenly the step is there, I suspect the horses did not see a crisp edge to the step. If you look at the first 2's back legs it looks like they just cantered along and then the ground suddenly disappeared. They need either a bigger lip on the step or the ground to slightly rise up to the step.
The depth of water has not helped those that were surprised to find themselves in water.
Just my thoughts though
 
See the thing is 2 of those riders are VERY much better than BE100 riders so that did make me wonder if there was something up. Yes anyone can get it wrong but they would be less likely than most.

Maybe it was the going in and then back in again that took them by surprise. Maybe more got bad jumps in I just looked at a couple of the Es or R.

Perhaps smurf's theory is right but to me there was something to make it ride as badly.
 
dominobrown said:
I know one of the riders who came off and she has ridden round 3* etc so its not down to inexperience. Does look deep, strange.
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Yes that's what I was alluding to and another of the fallers is a horse and rider that have completed 3* together - which is what made me think there was more than pilot error involved!
 
Think this combination had previously broken the frangible pin at fence 4 earlier in the round so were maybe just having one of those days.
 
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