At a loss... mystery lameness / stiffness in front. thoughts?

Leanne1980

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I purchased my new horse in January this year after a few vetting. No issues highlighted. Had a new saddle fitting then got underway riding my new horse. It became evident quickly that the horse when contact was taken up would put her tongue out the side of her mouth and chomp the bit. After various bits I settled on a happy tongue as I felt she did not like tongue pressure. She has been ridden in a French link old style snaffle and flash at the dealers yard do I assumed it was an habit she had picked up. However the problem as never really gone away fully.

In February I got the chiro and dentist to check her out to see if there was any reason that she would continue to do this and both confirmed that there was nothing major to report and she has in fact has obviously been cared very well for. So we plodded on and by April I was finding that she was locking her neck and shoulders on the left, hanging on the left rein, not softening into contact (shes never been easy) and tongue was out more than ever. Instructor insisted it is just her weak rein and she needs riding more equally into both reins. I'm not convinced. Anyway I got the chiro back out who confirmed she was sore through her left shoulder and up her neck. She released everything and we were back to a soft happy mare again.

A month later the mare goes lame in her front left leg, probably 4/10 noticeable in walk under saddle and in trot both under saddle and in hand. Farrier looks and believes it to be an abscess. We poultice and in 4 days she is sound again, nothing major happening with the poultice other than it being a bit smelly. So shoe back on and ridden work commenced. Saddle fitter also came during this time to check her new saddle was still fitting ok - it was.

Over the last few weeks the horse has started locking through her left shoulder again, not flexing at the poll, not softening, same pattern as before. I get the chiro out earlier this week who confirms once again she is sore through her shoulder and neck. Chiro agrees with me that this cannot be just a coincidence. On trotting her up for the chiro she felt draw to the movement from the left front leg but no obvious lameness.

So yesterday, goes to school the horse as normal, horse feels lame left fore. I jump off and asked her to trot round and she looks ok, nothing obvious. I get back on horse feels lame again. I take her out the ménage and grabs the farrier (hes based on the yard) who says poultice is again and pulled her shoe. However there is no heat, swelling or injury marks. To trot up on hard ground straight she looks sound, on the lunge in the field she looks sound but under saddle in trot she isn't. The farrier confirmed she looked off but its so minimal its hard to pinpoint. Under saddle it feels like she isn't moving her shoulder fully. I realize shoulder lameness is unlikely and its usually coming from the hoof or leg but I am convinced there is more going on.

I am still applying a poultice and have phoned a vet but awaiting a call back. I want to take her in for a full lameness check but I don't know if they will because the lameness is not obvious. The other thing I have noticed is that the horse groans, a lot! she will stand in the stable and groan, its loud enough for people to notice it and comment. I think shes trying to telling me she hurts. She doesn't have a high pain threshold at all.

So am I being paranoid? is there something more going on? is the tongue out, lack of suppleness, shoulder soreness and left fore all the same issue? if so what could it be?

I have not given her any bute as the lameness is so minimal now that it will probably hide it even more. Also I am not riding her which makes it hard to spot the lameness. I am sure a trained eye can see it though. I just feel it. Its probably 1/10.

I am awaiting the vet to get back to me with a day I can take her in - next week. Just at a loss what to do before. Your thoughts?
 
Your vet is the best person to give you answers but to me it definitely sounds as if something is going on in the foot, and probably has been for some time, that is causing issues further up, 9 times out of 10 the origin of general muscular pain high up is coming from the foot and that is always the best place to start.
 
Hi there. Yes that's my thoughts. It's getting a vet to listen to me and do the tests without obvious lameness. My concerns are navicular :(
 
Hi there. Yes that's my thoughts. It's getting a vet to listen to me and do the tests without obvious lameness. My concerns are navicular :(

They should listen to you as there has been intermittent lameness of unknown origin, the last horse I had here that was similar, no lameness at all but sore shoulders with no obvious reason, was xrayed by my vet who was perplexed by my request but went along with it, the findings totally shocked him as he thought the horse was fine, it had counter rotating pedal bones far worse than anyone would have suspected and no clinical reason to think they would be the issue, his feet looked good but the farrier always struggled to keep his toes back because of what was going on inside, it was unusual that it was not being caused by the current shoeing but was probably caused in his previous home and required fairly drastic measures to correct it. We took him barefoot for a while, then did 2 rounds of heartbars before going into normal shoes once xrays showed they were corrected and balanced, he was never lame and apart from the stiff shoulders was happy in his work and competing successfully with his sore feet, poor chap probably had several years of being uncomfortable.
 
Have you tried riding her in a different saddle?

You are saying she's lame under saddle, but looks sound when you are not riding her...... I would check the style of saddle - not just the fit - to make sure she isn't feeling uncomfortable, and holding herself against the discomfort.... which is leading to the longer term soreness that your chiro is finding.

Some horses dislike certain styles of saddle, even if they techinically "fit".
 
Oh poor boy. Yes i am thinking my mare is similar. There are two many things that point to a problem. I just need to start with xrays and go from there. Not sure she's lame enough for nerve blocks.
 
In terms of the saddle fit, I don't have any others to try. In the past we have tried others on the yard and she is the wrong shape for them.
 
hi Leanne1980 firstly you are not being paranoide you are just doing the right thing and trying to work out what is wrong. It certainly is frustrating when the various experts have identified a true casue for lameness issue. As noting obvious has been found and from what I have read it seems to me you need to have your saddle thoroughly checked out, I would suggest several saddlers and try as many makes of saddles as you can. I say this because a friend of mine, who owns a beautiful cob, went through 6 different saddlers and many different makes of saddles before a comfortable saddle was secured. It might sound OTT but be mindful ill fitting saddles cause more issues then we realise.

I suggest the groaning may be related to ulcers.

I will PM you a few interesting links about saddle fit which are worth watching. It will help you ask the right questions.

You can alays work with her in-hand whilst you are getting the saddle sorted which will help.

all the best
 
My mare was intermittently lame last summer in front (1-2/10ths). I eventually got vet out and we started with nerve blocks as it had been going on so long without properly resolving.
She was nerve blocked to coffin joint, treated for thrush, and we then X rayed which showed nothing, but treated with injection for arthritis just in case. She was no better so at xmas I decided to use up my insurance on an mri scan. Turned out she had torn her ddft in both front feet, and the intermittence was due to it healing a bit, then tearing again. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

She is very tight in her neck and shoulders due to holding herself awkwardly for so long, so has regular massages to help her relax the muscles.

Hopefully not the case for your mare, but thought I'd share just in case it helps.
 
Thank you for your comments. Hoping the vet books us in next week. I'm convinced there's something happening in the foot it's just what!
 
Hi Fairhill, the more I read about ddft injury the more I feel it could be an option. Can you advise you could feel any thing? Any swelling g? And response to pressure? Was your horse more obviously lame on the hard / soft? What was the prognosis? Thanks
 
Hi, couldn't see or feel a thing. Tried hoof testers, no response. She showed as slightly short in the school in trot doing serpentines and didn't always strike off correctly in canter. No real difference when lunging her on hard ground vs soft. The vet was surprised to see how damaged her tendons were on the scan - one had scar tissue build up so we assume that one was damaged first. He was convinced it was the onset of arthritis but scan showed joints were in good condition.

prognosis from vet was poor with respect to her having a full recovery, so they gave me advice on how to manage her (basically semi-retire and avoid fast work/jumping). surgery wasn't an option due to her age (16) and the extent of damage in both feet in her case.

I have taken her shoes off, read up about rockley rehab techniques and she is currently sound enough to hack a couple of miles a few times a week in walk and trot. And apparently she felt well enough to canter across the stubble this week!
I am schooling gently in walk with a small amount of trotting on large circles too, but am guided by her as to how much we do.
Plan at the moment is to continue like this for as long as we can...
 
Thanks for your response. My mare feels lame left fore in the school but looks sound to look at. It could be that the lameness is not picked up unless by a vet as they are the expert. My mare is 7. We have been jumping, cantering and schooling ok. The main issue is she locks through her neck and shoulder and same side as this lameness is. Just hope the vets will do a full check.
 
I've spoken to vet today and they can't get me in till next. If she is sound by then then they can't do any tests. They have said they won't do x rays etc without nerve blocks and can't nerve block if not lame! I can see this being a long process as the whole issue is that she is sound then lame on and off with no warning. They have said to ride her to try and encourage more lameness :/
 
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