AT - Ban for Life or not ??

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I've sent one poll result off to the FEI but I'm prepared to do another (oh and to the ILPH)

Now that the relevant clip of the horse abuse has 'escaped' into the IT 'wild' and is viewable (Please see either News or the 'Horse HORROR movie' post below).

Let's keep this simple and quick. As before the poll results will NOT be visible until the closing date - which I will make next tuesday 19th.

so people - let's get voting .....
 
I think this may go against your aim Airedale - I have voted no as I believe she made a grave error, but not one that warrants a ban for life. I think a year would serve its purpose in punishing her (on top of the remorse I believe she must feel), and in setting an example to others.
 
we'll disagree about her 'remorse'

I put the poll up 'cos it was suggested that it would be good to do it now that the footage is available to see - and tbh - now it's 'escaped' into the wild it'll be available for good - even if intermittently

personally I'd like to think that it has been forwarded to Mark Phillips personally so that he can choke on his cornflakes for defending her !!

but really she doesn't need to be banned for life - she needs to be put in prison - 'cos under our new Animal Welfare Act - that is where she would be over here and this even was after the 6th April when the act here came into force

so perhaps I should have added a 3rd option

SEND HER TO JAIL !
 
No, I think possibly a 10 or 15 year ban would be quite fitting & I mean ban - not able to breed, produce, compete or have horses in her care
 
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so perhaps I should have added a 3rd option

SEND HER TO JAIL !

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Amen Sister!! Totally agree. Like I said in one of my replies about the horse drowing at Applebly, this is animal cruelty and if these things had been done to a person, it would be soooo different!
 
I voted no, simply because I think that Im not qualified to judge her actions not knowing her as a person or seeing the incident first hand.
 
I voted no. What she did was awful and she appears to have shown little or no remorse since (possibly due to the FEI action pending) but her ban should be in the 1-5 year region (I think that was one of the options in the last poll).
 
under the animal welfare bill - abuse of animals can be punished by fines, prison and bans for a period up to and including a life ban from having animals

it is also well known that people who have abused animals are like paedophiles - they go on and do it again unless they are the sort that are stupid in having, e.g., more animals then they can now cope with due to being soft hearted and say age or illness catches up on them

there are serial murderers
serial paedophiles
serial child abusers and serial animal abusers

this woman had no concern about her horse in any way - all she was interested in was maintaining her overnight lead in 1st place at a prestigious competition

so if she is allowed to compete again where she would again be chasing that glory and winning position - she WILL be capable of doing a similar thing again

so what do you do - let her off with a few years and then bemoan the death of another horse ??

the animal cannot protect itself - it is up to us to make sure that it is protected

in this case 'protection' of the animals means that she shouldn't be allowed to compete or be put in a situation ever ever again where she could do this sort of thing to another willing, innocent horse

if we ban people for life from owning animals here for letting their feet get too long (not saying that is right but in a lot of cases with a good vet and farrier the horse will survive) why should this person be anydifferent than that when she has effectively killed the horse.

if this was an unknown nobody rider I reckon that there would be no doubt at all about the 'ban for life'
 
Ever heard of rehabilitation Airedale?

Not all murderers are serial murderers - I do hear what you're saying but I also think that it is possible for people to learn from their mistakes
 
yes - I do agree - some people can - but also some can't

children have suffered abuse because people thought their abuser was 'cured' when they weren't and at least those children can (thru childline etc) have a voice to shout for help if they aren't too scared to use it

a 'dumb animal' doesn't have that voice

better safe than sorry
 
I voted "No". I don't think she should be banned for life I'm afraid, however I do think she should be banned for somewhere between 2 and 5 years.....5 years makes more sense as by then she will have lost her name and won't have a hope in hell of being able to compete again.
 
I Wouldnt say ban her for life, what she did was wrong, she knew full well that , that poor horse was lame and suffering, yet all that was on her my mind in MY OPINION was to finish the course and hold her position .

I really dont know , possibly put her into some community service helping rehabilitate horses that have suffered injury in some way but where lucky to live and not be put down like this poor horse of hers .
 
Much as I sympathise with your sentiments, I haven't voted simply because I do not want your poll to go pear shape against you if that makes sense. I did vote in the original one for her to be banned for a seriously long time.

By ban, I mean she is not able to come into contact with any horse or donkey at all, nor be allowed to profit by owning one and someone else riding it; she must not be allowed anywhere near one or where any equine event of any description is held also, a little like when the Jockey Club ban people from racing; they're not allowed to set foot on any racecourse, training yard, nowhere - and so it should be for her. This would mean she would be cut off virtually from all of her friends and associates, but more importantly, horses would be safe from her and ideally I would like it to be for at least 5 years, I wouldn't think it too harsh if it was up to 10.
 
I don't want to appear to make light of her actions but voted no, though I feel a substantial ban is most definitely in order, something along the lines of 5-10 years?

People DO make mistakes (hers was a huge one sadly!) but she didn't set out with the intention of seriously injuring or killing the horse & although her actions are inexcusable (& she should indeed be punished), I feel her actions were more 'manslaughter' than premeditated 'murder'?

I definitely feel a ban should include competing, judging, instructing, breeding, everything really & that it should be accompanied by a really hefty fine!
Also, not allowing the clever good old trick of having all her horse transferred into the names of close friends or family members!

She should not be made a scapegoat for all the ills of the eventing world (& other spheres!) but she should be made an example of nonetheless.
Let it be made clear that this kind of abuse will NOT be tolerated & even when not captured on film, ALL such abuse, committed by whoever, will be investigated & dealt with accordingly!
 
I don't mean to sound negative Airedale, but I think your first poll, with varying options, was more viable than this one.
This is very 'all or nothing' with no inbetween, and I think the fact that you've only given two such extreme choices, is not going to help your cause...
I fully understand where you're coming from, and personally, I would rather see her banned for life than not at all, but sometimes, taking the middle ground can be far more effective at getting results than taking the extreme point of view.
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I agree with dubs.

I voted no as I think a life time ban is a little harsh and not entirely necessary.

I think 2-5 years would be perfectly sufficient to ruin her international career and rue the day she put herself above the horse.
 
I watched the vid last night. Yes the horse struggled to finish and despite AT's adrenalin pumping (and that of the horse) she maybe should have pulled up much sooner than pushing on. However I think a ban for life is extreme. She should be severely reprimanded of and as a person at the top of the sport should definitely be made an example on. She is after all human, and we all make mistakes - some with more tragic consequences. Her career will suffer for a very long time which I believe to be a severe punishment anyway, and she will carry this for the rest of her life - if she has a consience.
 
I voted no only because I want her to have the chance to face up to what she did.
I think a ban of at least 5 years and like someone else said ten would not be too harsh in my opinion.
I also mentioned on the other thread about the video that I would like to see her doing unpaid work with horses that have come through serious leg or tendon injuries.
Seeing those horses struggle through the painful period. How they are brave as they try to get the use back in their limb(s) might make her realise just what she did.
She should not have any other contact with equines outside of this though. That includes, owning, breeding, riding, training or being associated with anyone connected with the aforementioned.
The list is not exhaustive and should also include; grooms, liveries and so and so on......
The only access she should have to horses which should be made compulsory otherwise face jail is to help stricken horses through a welfare group, or rehabilitation centre.
Normally I don't like to give people a second chance when they offend. Be it animal cruelty, child murderers, paedophiles etc.
In this case though she should be made an example of.
A ban followed by compulsory voluntary work otherwise it would be a jail and a lifetime ban.
She should have the choice of what she wants.
Either to learn from her error and make sure it never happens again and be forced to help provide care for horses. Or jail and never ever be able to have any connection with the sport or horses again.
If she was a decent person she would choose the former and if not well what can we say?
Caz
 
I think she should be banned for life. I saw the video the forst time it was posted after this had happened, and after seeing it again and knowing the outcome for the poor horse I'm even more disgusted. The first time I didn't know what to expect and was just overcome with horror and shock. I'm actually amazed that she's had the cheek to carry on competing!
 
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