AT...I don't get it...?

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My son is competing in Montana on an international HT show this we. Told me AT was there competing... He was really surprised to see her and so am I
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: Wasn't she suspended for at least 2 months...?
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(M. Philipps' there too...)
What's the real story about an FEI suspension..?
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Once the season is over
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Taken off FEI website:

- suspension from competition for a period of two months (to commence immediately and without further notice at the end of the 30-day appeal deadline, or sooner if the right of appeal is waived (WHICH IS HAS BEEN);
- a fine of CHF 1,000;
- a cost contribution of CHF 1,500 towards the legal costs of the judicial procedure.
 
Think she waived her decision later sunday/early monday so she was still able to compete in an event on the saturday that she's forked out the money for etc etc and then she was happy to take the penalty.

Funny that
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She wouldn't dare... Would she????

Should the onus be on the event for accepting her entry and allowing her to run then?
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My God, you people make things up as you go. If you know anything about eventing you will check the rider times and see that she is not listed and is not competing. Also her website does list her sponsors. Haven't you done enough damage to the sport and to a woman who has worked hard all of her life and did admit she should have stopped. She loves her horses, is a great trainer, a good person. Have you not heard the saying Judge not, lest ye be judged? You don't know her and only look at a video, try being in her shoes right now.
 
i agree shes not listed as competing , but your comment....
Haven't you done enough damage to the sport and to a woman who has worked hard all of her life and did admit she should have stopped........
the damage was done to the horse by amy tyron , whatever followed was justice , we cannot as a nation of horse lovers condone or accept abuse of a horse , and if amy tyron has taken a public pillory by readers of this site then it sends a message to ALL COMPETITORS all over the world regardless of who or what nationality they are , we will NOT accept horses being thought of as machines
yes indeed amy has admitted that she should have stopped , rather belatedly , i,m glad for her that she will in future be able to make a better judgement of a patently crippled and very brave horse, to pull up , i wish her well in the future and hope her future rides benifet from her now clearer view of when it is wise to pause a second and make a judgement on wether to continue , as indeed many of us competitors have had to do in the past
 
Just asking a question as she is present on the show grounds AND riding apparently...
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Had 4 entries, 2 in the 3*, 1 in the 1* and 1 in the OP. You're right she doesn't show up under rider times...My son must've been hallucinating !
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By the way, how do you know whether or not we know/don't know her...?
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My God, you people make things up as you go.

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And Amy Tryon hasn't ??
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Haven't you done enough damage to the sport and to a woman who has worked hard all of her life and did admit she should have stopped. She loves her horses, is a great trainer, a good person.

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I believe the damage to the sport has been done by Amy Tryon herself. She continued to ride a crippled horse, citing she was unaware of what was wrong. At her level that is hardly an indication of horsemastership. She's a 4* level rider......when 17 yo amateur jockeys can recognise a broken down horse and pull up in a few strides, and she says she cannot recognise the same type of injury on a horse she knows well, then something is far wrong. She's either delusional or incompetent.
The punishment is not severe enough. What kind of message does it impart to the horse world and further, when a rider fails to stop a blatantly lame horse, that is thereafter destroyed, and receives a two month ban. I firmly believe that some of those trying to apparently save her skin were actually trying to limit the damage to the sport. It would have made headlines outwith the sport if she had received the ban she deserved. I think they were misguided, however, as the furore of her getting off with a mild reprimand has (rightly) created a bigger uproar, albeit at the moment only in the horse world.
How you can condone her is unbelievable. It matters not a whit what you think of her, or how hard she works. She forced a badly injured horse to continue, despite him trying to pull himself up, and despite the crowds and stewards shouting at her to stop.

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Have you not heard the saying Judge not, lest ye be judged?

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You can judge me, I have pulled a horse up that I thought had gone wrong in competition, but he was fine. But I did stop to check before I carried on. And it cost me the class with the time penalties. But guess what, I still had a horse to go to war with the next week.

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You don't know her and only look at a video, try being in her shoes right now.

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We do not need to know Amy Tryon to know whether what she did was right or wrong. And, yes, most of us only watched the video. But a pretty damning video it was, huh??

All in, I struggle to understand how you can defend her, and accuse those of us apalled by her actions of damaging the sport?
 
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My God, you people make things up as you go.

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Judge not, lest ye be judged eh? Ok then, here goes!

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If you know anything about eventing you will check the rider times and see that she is not listed and is not competing.

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I think you'll find the posters on this site compete from BE level Intro to advanced, as well as at International events abroad.

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Also her website does list her sponsors.

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Where!? Here - www.teamtryon.com Not from the homepage.. And it turns out at least 3 of her 'sponsors' don't actually sponsor her and aren't pleased to see their logo on her site.

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Haven't you done enough damage to the sport and to a woman who has worked hard all of her life and did admit she should have stopped.

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AT seems to have missed the point.. The 'abuse' was carrying on to jump a 4* fence on a lame horse, obviously in pain, so saying 'me carrying on didn't make the injury worse' (ie LS would've been put down anyway) isn't really the point.

I've had several emails from AT's, once again supposed, sponsors stating 'Thanks for your concern for our sport', not thanks for damaging it..

All AT is doing is back tracking and providing more fodder for animal cruelty groups desperate to ban horse sport all together. Cruelty groups that have seen the video, just as we have. USEF and the FEI have handed this on a plate to PETA and other welfare groups so they can go about banning eventing forever. We're damaging the sport? Don't think so..

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She loves her horses, is a great trainer, a good person.

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I'm certainly not saying AT is evil or mean't to kill LS. In fact I agree with AT in her statement 'I should've pulled up' - Duh. Precisely. Saying she thought he lost a shoe or had a boot slip is rubbish.. And several top eventers have said so, once again she's back tracking. The ban and fine are too small for such blatent abuse of a lame horse that's the end of my problem with her.

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You don't know her and only look at a video, try being in her shoes right now.

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You're correct - (well done Sandysfarm!) I don't know her.. But I know a fair few 4* riders that firstly would've pulled up, were shouting at the screen when LS stumbled, at the rolex to 'PULL UP!' and don't believe the excuse 'I thought he had a slipped boot or lost a shoe'..

I wouldn't be in her shoes - I would've pulled up.

I think that's everything covered? Then in the politest manner, is there anything else I can help you with Sandysfarm?
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Actually Sandys Farm, this whole AT business is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Emailing her sponsors..come on! It seems some wont be happy until she has hung herself from the rafters.

What I find most tragic, is a young event rider is killed in a rotational fall last weekend, and there is only 11 replies.
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Why dont you lot, put your efforts into making x country jumps safer, or raising money for the injured riders fund or the ILPH even. What a sorry state off affairs.
 
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Actually Sandys Farm, this whole AT business is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Emailing her sponsors..come on! It seems some wont be happy until she has hung herself from the rafters.

What I find most tragic, is a young event rider is killed in a rotational fall last weekend, and there is only 11 replies.
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Why dont you lot, put your efforts into making x country jumps safer, or raising money for the injured riders fund or the ILPH even. What a sorry state off affairs.

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The AT business leaves a bad taste in my mouth too, but because of the way she has handled it, and denied responsibility (by claiming she didn't know where the finish was, or that she knew he was lame) for her actions.

I have read the thread about the tragic death of the young rider, but what is there to say.....there is no debate there, and my views on why this seems to be happening would take pages, and to use her death to voice them would be extremely insensitive, IMO.

I have no idea why you assume because many of us are unhappy with the AT punishment, we care about nothing else.
I have raised monies (significant amounts) for the IJF, ILPH, Grass Sickness Fund and RDA (Hong Kong ) so please don't make sweeping generalisations about people.
 
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Actually Sandys Farm, this whole AT business is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Emailing her sponsors..come on! It seems some wont be happy until she has hung herself from the rafters.



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I totally agree Casey, where will it end?!
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I totally agree Casey, where will it end?!

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Sadly, due to the FEI's poor judgement on this, I think the debate regarding AT's punishment will be ongoing for some time.
 
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My God, you people make things up as you go. If you know anything about eventing you will check the rider times and see that she is not listed and is not competing. Also her website does list her sponsors. Haven't you done enough damage to the sport and to a woman who has worked hard all of her life and did admit she should have stopped. She loves her horses, is a great trainer, a good person. Have you not heard the saying Judge not, lest ye be judged? You don't know her and only look at a video, try being in her shoes right now.

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The damage to the sport has been done IMO not to people discussing Amy .. but the way she rode LS and didn't pull up and the decision of the FEI, if a more fitting punishment had been put in place there would be less uproar
 
Actually, this has left a bad taste in my mouth for quite awhile. I have a daughter that competes at the Intermediate level. I worry every time she goes cross country as anything can happen. She is a good rider and a safe one and has a good head. We have to have faith that the course designers have safety in their minds also when designing these courses.
I feel sorry for all of the parents, spouses, etc for those riders that are injured or killed. It would behove all of us to spend less time people who make a mistake and work on worthwhile things to benefit our sport.
 
I thought that this was a forum for horse enthusiasts, I didn't realise that many of the people who come on here are so perfect in their riding skills and horse managment that they feel able to act as judge and jury and would be executioners in this case from watching a snippet on Youtube.

I am suprised that you haven't insisted that people whose animals get laminitis , for instance, receive automatic prison sentances for their cruelty.
 
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Actually, this has left a bad taste in my mouth for quite awhile. I have a daughter that competes at the Intermediate level. I worry every time she goes cross country as anything can happen. She is a good rider and a safe one and has a good head. We have to have faith that the course designers have safety in their minds also when designing these courses.
I feel sorry for all of the parents, spouses, etc for those riders that are injured or killed. It would behove all of us to spend less time people who make a mistake and work on worthwhile things to benefit our sport.

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Whilst I agree with your sentiments regarding rider safety, I also think that any abuse of the horse should be addressed far more thoroughly than it was in this instance. It is not a witch hunt of AT as such, if it had been any other rider who had acted in exactly the same way the same outcry would have erupted.
The horse has no-one to speak on his behalf, and the one thing this sport needs is the the horse. She allowed her will to win to corrupt her responsibility to her horse. That is unforgiveable, and she should be heavily penalised as a rider because of it.
Now the signals are that you won't get into much trouble if you ignore the welfare of the horse underneath you. And what is that saying to the up and coming younger riders? Maybe, just maybe, with all the outcry on forums some of them might think twice before they act as selfishly as she did.

This is about the bigger picture, how the sport is seen to police the abuse of animals within the sport, it is not just about a selfish greedy rider. Her ''punishment '' suggests that the FEI do not hold the life of a horse in very high regard.
And that, IMO, is what could be the death knell of a sport I love.
That's where the bad taste in my mouth comes from.
 
So Sandy's Farm if she is so, so pure as the driven snow why oh why here in the US are there so, so, so many discussions taking place about past and present questionable instances?

And it is not the "you" of the many chat rooms still debating this topic that has harmed the sport beyond repair. Get your facts right for once.
 
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Why dont you lot, put your efforts into making x country jumps safer, or raising money for the injured riders fund or the ILPH even. What a sorry state off affairs.

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I'm sorry, but who the feck do you think you are, telling me, or anybody else for that matter, what we should or shouldn't be posting about on here?

I already do my bit in REAL LIFE thank you very much, not just talk about it, or throw a few quid in the direction of an appropriate welfare charity.
If I want to post about my disgust over the death of Le Samurai, and the appalling horsemanship of Amy Tryon, I bloody well will.
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Why dont you lot, put your efforts into making x country jumps safer, or raising money for the injured riders fund or the ILPH even. What a sorry state off affairs.

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I'm sorry, but who the feck do you think you are, telling me, or anybody else for that matter, what we should or shouldn't be posting about on here?

I already do my bit in REAL LIFE thank you very much, not just talk about it, or throw a few quid in the direction of an appropriate welfare charity.
If I want to post about my disgust over the death of Le Samurai, and the appalling horsemanship of Amy Tryon, I bloody well will.
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Oh, how articulately put.
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Actually Sandys Farm, this whole AT business is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Emailing her sponsors..come on! It seems some wont be happy until she has hung herself from the rafters.

What I find most tragic, is a young event rider is killed in a rotational fall last weekend, and there is only 11 replies.
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Why dont you lot, put your efforts into making x country jumps safer, or raising money for the injured riders fund or the ILPH even. What a sorry state off affairs.

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Not hung from the rafters, no, but in terms of emailing her sponsors, well the point of sponsoring someone is for the good publicity you get - I fail to see how sponsoring someone who has been found guilty of abuse projects a positive image of any product, and i think the sponsors should be made aware that the public feel this way.

It is not that I never make an error of judgment, but more that as an elite athlete who has another living being which they are responsible for, it is not acceptable for her to say 'I didn't realise it was that bad' - the judgment call form her should have been to pull up even if it did turn out to only be a pulled shoe - it's called the precautionary principle and applies to everyone professionally including riders. As the FEI have failed so spectacularly to appropriately punish this behaviour, then letting her sponsors know I disapprove of her actions seems entirely reasonable.

Sorry, this is not meant to be a rant at you personally Casey - I don't think she deserved a life time ban, but a ban of a minimum of 6 months up to about 2 years would seem appropriate to me considering the punishments inflicted on people found guilty of doping offences.
 
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