AT...I don't get it...?

I agree though, I dont think the ban was long enough either. Also, I think the death of LS was tragic to say the least. But I think far more good can be achieved by doing something constructive for the sport as a whole, and not focussing on one very tragic episode.
 
I see what you are saying, but given some of the things I have seen on the circuit over the last couple of seasons, I do think the horse welfare issue is not taken seriously enough, and the attitude of those at the top does tend to filter down, so by making a loud an public noise about how bad I (we?) feel this is, perhaps it will make people think twice through all the levels in future, which can only be a good thing I think from a horse welfare point of view.

It's tough - I try and promote the sport positively to people and things like this make it difficult to do so.
 
QUICK REPLY! What some of you have forgotten is that the punishment might not be what we expected but the verdict is... she was found GUILTY! the talk of late has been of one that she has not. BUT she has, unfortunatly the crime might not fit the punishment but amy has been found guilty. The much specualtion and the cover up theory etc is white wash, we got a guilty verdict and a sentance but no matter how much we complainto the FEI it wont make a difference, Why cant we settle for what we have? I am probably the ONLY person who feels like this and god shoot me down, but we cant have it every way we want. It's not getting tiresome but tedious with the same people making the same points over again...it wont make a difference for all you want...sometimes....theres time to accept the conclusion
 
I have seen alot worse working for a show jumper who competd at hickstead this year, where cross ties were aplied and a beating commenced, meaning his GF and me pulling him off the chestnut (you know i am talking about you!) having FOUR faults!! there's a time that you need to step back and realise what is happening within the out of context rule book of abuse and take note
 
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I have seen alot worse working for a show jumper who competd at hickstead this year, where cross ties were aplied and a beating commenced, meaning his GF and me pulling him off the chestnut (you know i am talking about you!) having FOUR faults!! there's a time that you need to step back and realise what is happening within the out of context rule book of abuse and take note

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Quite agree - saw someone saying 'quick get the paint before someone sees' to the person in their lorry at an event to cover up the bleeding caused by spurs. But it is just this kind of thing which makes me think that the public abuse should be punished more severely, because if you (meaning anyone) are prepared to take the chance that it may be ok in front of the world, then what the hell might you (again meaning anyone) do behind closed doors? So if you realise it is not tolerated, perhaps you will think twice before doing it at home? I don't know what the answer is really, just that I think AT made a very bad decision, made it worse by refusing to admit she made a bad decision, and then the FEI made a mockery of the whole thing by imposing a ridiculously short suspension.
 
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Why dont you lot, put your efforts into making x country jumps safer, or raising money for the injured riders fund or the ILPH even. What a sorry state off affairs.

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I'm sorry, but who the feck do you think you are, telling me, or anybody else for that matter, what we should or shouldn't be posting about on here?

I already do my bit in REAL LIFE thank you very much, not just talk about it, or throw a few quid in the direction of an appropriate welfare charity.
If I want to post about my disgust over the death of Le Samurai, and the appalling horsemanship of Amy Tryon, I bloody well will.
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Oh, how articulately put.
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I think you may be confusing me with somebody who actually gives a toss what you think.
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I have been posting my thoughts on here long before you came along, and will continue to do so.
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I think you may be confusing me with somebody who actually gives a toss what you think.
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I have been posting my thoughts on here long before you came along, and will continue to do so.
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and that is what we need another so called quick witted horse and hound forum memebr...you may of been around for a while but in all honesty...how productive was your last post...???
Maybe now if we ALL concentrated our efforts into a worth while cause then you dubble wouldnt feel the need to act so quick nitted and very un funny and then put your so called humour to a project that might need it....being on this forum for a certain amount of time makes you no different to the 213000 posts or the 21. It sad that of this time that you still cant put your energies forward to something more positive...
 
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and that is what we need another so called quick witted horse and hound forum memebr...you may of been around for a while but in all honesty...how productive was your last post...???
Maybe now if we ALL concentrated our efforts into a worth while cause then you dubble wouldnt feel the need to act so quick nitted and very un funny and then put your so called humour to a project that might need it....being on this forum for a certain amount of time makes you no different to the 213000 posts or the 21. It sad that of this time that you still cant put your energies forward to something more positive...

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What do you know about how I channel my energies? The link in my siggie will give you a vague idea...

I am merely expressing my right to the freedom of speech I have enjoyed since joining this forum, and I will not be told by you or anybody else, what to say, or what I should be spending my offline time doing.

Ironic that you of all people, feel qualified to judge the quality of my previous post, given some of your past efforts.
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Get over yourself.
 
there comes a time when you just have to accept whats been delivered as a verdict.
ironic it isnt, but after months of what has been a time of judgement isnt it time that we just stop the witch hunt?
 
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there comes a time when you just have to accept whats been delivered as a verdict.
ironic it isnt, but after months of what has been a time of judgement isnt it time that we just stop the witch hunt?

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Now I can actually see your point there. I don't want her head on a plate either.

However, personally speaking, I am disappointed with both the fine, and the length of the ban.
The decision is made, and that cannot be changed, but I do feel, as a member of the horse community, that I don't want to (however minutely), fund her career, by purchasing products from her sponsors.

But then I would have felt that way regardless of the sanctions imposed on her.
 
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I agree with every thing you say!! Some people think international. hell even riding club sometimes is all my little pony!

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Certainly. As far as I can make out Flintus accepts that Amy Tyron has been punished, thinks we should all move on as some of this is amounting to a witch hunt. She says (and I agree) that there is a lot of abise in the competition world and that Amy is no worse and maybe even better than some.I agree with her. Some people think that it is all I love my little pony, but it isn't! What I do with my pony is my little pony. On the other hand I don't have to compete for sponsorship etc. either (just as well really!!!). I am not trying to justify it but it has been going on for ages. I watched a child nearly knocked off her feet for a mistake in the ring (very openly as it happens!) The explanation I was given was that her father had spent a lot of money on her ponies so you couldn't blame him. When I complained about the way the ponies were beaten then it was Well people are under a lot of pressure! On the other hand at an unaffiliated show I watched a woman ride her horse in circles beating him all the time and for quite a long time. Nothing was said and it was implied that it would be better for you if nothing was said!
 
Still not getting your point eashotson, but never mind.

I agree with everyone....for once!
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Flintus is right; this has gone on for a long time and the justice served may not be the justice many of us wanted; however it has been dished out now and once she has served her time, she has apparently paid for her crime.

I also agree strongly with the effort people are putting into emailing sponsors - they should certainly be made aware of public opinion and the way these HHO members are going about it, is correct in my opinion.

I also agree with Dubs - free speech is paramount. She has every right to say exactly as she wishes with regards to her own opinions; in the same way as Casey said what her opinion of it all was. No-one should be censored and if Dubs made a point about the length of time she has been a member of here, then that is her prerogative......particularly as it is true!

There are clearly 2 camps here - both are big enough and ugly enough to say what they feel, and both should be commended for standing up for what they believe.

Personally? Well I agree with the manner in which our members are making Amy's sponsors aware of what has gone on. Well done them.
 
Words of wisdom, Tia !
Incidentally as I started this post, just wanted to say that AT IS over there but NOT competing...So much for all the hullaballoo...However, whatever she does or doesn't do, I don't really care as long as she abides the FEI decision, no matter how lenient it may have been. And how lenient it is, is all the more ridiculous as we ALL know how much abuse among professionals and amateurs alike, is going on...
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The advantage of suspending a celeb is that it might - just ! - help make everyone (hysterical pony rider's mothers/fathers, obtuse and heartless amateurs everywhere) aware that the sport can only thrive on one fundamental principle which IS: Respect for the horse
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and in the process, of the rider's ability to exercise good judgement on behalf of his/her horse's welfare. If amateurs are sometimes ill-equipped to see this, professionals shouldn't be able to get away with it. Or else they shouldn't be professional riders but maybe car racers: Cars don't die, they just stop running
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She is under rules barred from grounds of any competition, and that rule applies to any horses - in her ownership, part ownership, those stabled or trained by her (not necessarily stabled at her barn though), etc, etc. This would also include horses of her working pupils.

In any instance these rules have been broken (thinking of Paul Villiers and Barney Ward in the not too distant past) the USEF has been down on them like a ton of bricks. However what is the guessing that they will turn a blind eye in this case of AT!
 
I feel that this issue has been dragged on an on tbh. Yes, it was wrong and everyone has vented their outrage. Now that she has apologised and said she made a mistake, I think it should be left She was found guilty, I don't know her etc. etc. I think some people have gone too far with all the comments about weight, and the 'digging' into everything. It seems to me that some people are intent on ruining her life. I think the punishment was too lenient but what else do you want now?
 
But surely the point of this thread is that IF she is not abiding by the punishment that she was given, then people have a right to voice a concern.

The punishment was lenient enough, if she isn't going to follow it anyway, then it just makes a complete mockery of the whole thing and devalues that beautiful equine athelete's life even more.

As for the emailing of sponsors etc - I say if people feel that strongly then most certainly they have every right to do that. Sponsorship is all based on public perception, so why shouldn't the companies concerned get a taster of how everyone is feeling.

Having just watched the video properly for the first time, after reading Amy's press release on the other thread, I cannot decide whether the woman is completely deluded or just a very accomplished liar!

My overriding feelings were though, not of her, but of that so very brave horse and I don't think her actions should now be brushed under the carpet and forgotten.

Yes cruelty does and will go on in all levels of the equine world, whether intentional or not, but does that fact alone mean we should turn a blind eye and not air our opinions on one particular event. I personally don't think so, particularly as this was such a public event.
 
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I feel that this issue has been dragged on an on tbh. Yes, it was wrong and everyone has vented their outrage. Now that she has apologised and said she made a mistake, I think it should be left She was found guilty, I don't know her etc. etc. I think some people have gone too far with all the comments about weight, and the 'digging' into everything. It seems to me that some people are intent on ruining her life. I think the punishment was too lenient but what else do you want now?

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You responded to my post, so I presume that was directed at me?

What do I want from her? Nothing. Nothing at all.

I simply want to carry on spending almost everything I earn on my horses, in the knowledge that not a single penny of my hard earned cash goes towards funding a convicted horse abuser.

I don't think that's too much to ask.
 
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Very simplisticly put - we the public, buy products off companies, making them successful. Their success, in turn, enables them to afford to sponsor riders.
 
some of her listed sponsors are Charles Owen and Horseware

So it is perfectly reasonable to want to either have her sponsoring companies publicly remove their sponsorship from a convicted horse abuser or for us as the people who buy products from these companies to take a conscious decision to NOT purchase their products until or unless they cease to sponsor AT.

I use a lot of Rambo rugs and until I see a public removal of their sponsorship I'll be buying W'beeta.

I also and virtually every hat in the yard is a CO - but from now on we'll be buying anything BUT that brand until they remove all contact from AT.

If you accept that she was wrong and should have been punished more than that given by the FEI then the only other way to punish her (as the FEI fine was so trivial) is to hit her in the pocket. If she loses sponsoship money then her eventing activities must be curtailed as we all know how expensive keeping and competing horses is.


Basically - if the FEI had done their job and given her a long ban and a large fine then most of us would have left the matter alone - but as the FEI has shown itself to be a toothless tiger then the sanctions have to be applied by those who actually care about horse welfare - i.e. the general public.

the only way we can do that is via her sponsors and getting them to realise that sponsoring a horse abuser is not going to bring credit to their product brand.
 
QR-so if her sponsors dont remove the sponsorship from now on you will buy only other brands.....??? does that mean that you will all chuck your CO hat now and buy another and throw away your rambo rugs and go buy another make? pretty expensive I think, I also think you wont!
 
flintus - I doubt anyone will throw away existing products.

However they will avoid buying those brands in future if they continue to support AT. There are plenty of other quality makes available.
 
No - they've had the money - in my case mainly over two years ago - but as I do need a new hat and one of my horses needs a new winter rug - neither CO or Rambo will be getting my dosh - unless of course they announce that they are not sponsoring AT

and there is plenty of choice now in both hats and rugs
 
Flintus - while I don't want to get involved in this debate I will answer that question. I won't chuck away existing products - however in the future I will not be buying products that are made by sponsors of AT. However people MUST be made aware that charles owen do NOT sponsor her - the reply to my email stated they were shocked amy was claiming this and that the only american riders they sponsor is kim severson and a male rider cant remember which. Hence it's important to email the sponsors to confirm whether or not they will be supporting her.
 
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