At the end of my tether re obtaining passport for new pony??

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In July we had a pony on trial, and after a month or so decided we'd like to keep him. We didn't have his passport at the time but he'd come from a girl we know through the local riding club.

I advertised a load of rugs for sale on a FB group and the owner of the pony asked if she could have them. They came to the sale price of the pony plus £25, so we agreed that rather than me pay her - for her to give it back she'd just exchange the passport plus £25 for the rugs. She came to pick up the rugs but was straight from work so she didn't have the passport on her. She said she'd drop it in when she was over this way to buy horse feed the following weekend and I was fine with that.

Then when she didn't drop it in I offered to go collect when I knew she had a day off but she didn't respond to my text. Then when she did respond she said she'd drop it in the post. I resorted to telling her I wanted to switch into my name before christmas so that I could tell the kids we'd be keeping him on christmas day, in the hope that she'd pull her finger out.

So, a week last friday she said she had posted it first class but 9 days on I still haven't received it. She said she has a copy of it somewhere so I can use the papered name etc to order a new one but despite a friendly reminder I haven't had that either. I don't even know the pony's papered name so that I can use that, and if memory serves she didn't change the documents to her own name when she bought him.

I realise this is my own stupid fault, but as I say I had no reason to doubt her when we met through the local riding club and have both been attending for years and years. So now I have a pony with no passport and no receipt. I don't know what to do?
 
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I should think so because he was off the welsh mountains - gelded and passported with the WPCS as a 4yr old as I understand it (he's 7 now).
 
I would write out a sales receipt with the agreed purchase price and description of your pony and date it and state 'Paid in full' and take it to her to get it signed. As for the passport - you will just have to really push her. You can get a copy if she knows who he is passported with, otherwise you will have to get one from scratch just to be legal. A passport is no proof of ownership, so no worries from that angle. Good luck OP.
 
Thanks, he's WPCS passported from what she tells me but as the passport isn't in her name and I dont know the pony's papered name, I have no clue how I'd achieve this. Thanks for the GL, think I'm going to need it!
 
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If you contact the WPCS, having first got the vet to scan his microchip number, they should be able to reissue the passport. However she will still have to sign to say he is sold. If she hasn't rereg him in her name you will have to get the signature of the person who is named on the passport.

Friend had to do this recently but a little more complicated as horse was Irish.
 
Thistle said:
If you contact the WPCS, having first got the vet to scan his microchip number, they should be able to reissue the passport. However she will still have to sign to say he is sold. If she hasn't rereg him in her name you will have to get the signature of the person who is named on the passport.

Friend had to do this recently but a little more complicated as horse was Irish.
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I just spoke to the WPCS who said they only had one pony matching his description on their database with the name "pascoe". She gave me the number for the person on his passport who was apparently the breeder (not off the mountains as I have been told). I talked to the breeder who said she's happy to write a letter to say they sold the pony, albeit through the sales 2yrs ago!

jrp204 said:
The pony was hers to sell?
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So she says - this is my main concern really, although it seems that he's kept the name "Pascoe".
 
That would worry me too jrp204

The lady must know the papered name of the pony so I would get that and phone the WPCA and ask what the passport status of the pony is

If the lady wont help any more I would be tempted to get some basic legal advice. alternatively you can draw a line under it, get the microchip scanned and start to get a generic passport bearing in mind that the pony wont be classed as registered
 
Have you thought of contacting the Pony Club secretary? Say you're having trouble getting in touch with this girl for the passport. I imagine that would embarrass her into action. Or phone the WPCA and explain the situation and ask for advice on how to proceed.
 
I wouldn't really want to contact the club because that's embarrassing for me too, I'd rather just pay the £85 and go get the new passport.

The WPCS also said that if I cant get a letter confirming the pony was sold (thankfully the named person on the passport has offered to do this for me), then I'm stuck with a pony thaty has no passport.

Having spoken to the lady named on the passport his tale has been twisted several times so that the pony I was sold sounds b ugger all like the one she used as a registered stallion until november 2011 when she retired. She had him for 5yrs and he's changed hands 3 times since. She sounded genuinely upset that her supreme champion show pony has been cut and passed around the houses.

Isn't it sad that people can change their stories so easily? For the sake of making them "easier" to sell.
 
Call her and have a frank discussion, tell her its been long enough, we are all busy, you need the passport now.

If it does come down to getting a duplicate, you will need the horse scanned and the vet to fill in a picture of markings, plus the cost of a new the new passport.
 
That's good news for you but if that is true the passport system is more of a farce than I thought - to be able to get a copy of a passport on the basis that the pony is of a similar description to one with a similar name sold a couple of years ago is crazy especially since that was a prize winning stallion and the one you have is a gelding swapped for a pile of rugs

For your sake I hope it all works out but I am truly shocked that its that easy
 
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That's good news for you but if that is true the passport system is more of a farce than I thought - to be able to get a copy of a passport on the basis that the pony is of a similar description to one with a similar name sold a couple of years ago is crazy especially since that was a prize winning stallion and the one you have is a gelding swapped for a pile of rugs

For your sake I hope it all works out but I am truly shocked that its that easy
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This is why I don't think passports are worth the paper their written on
 
Couldnt agree more. My standardbred had no passport so the vet scanned for a microchip, found nothing and issued a new one - applied for a passport, job done. He's 16yrs and should have had one! For all i know he could be a stolen animal with a history and a pedigree but we'll never know - all because of the flimsy system.

With Pascoe nobody has changed his ownership on paper since 2011 so for all i know mine could be a different pony with awful conformation thats never been used at stud - but the wpcs gave me the registered owner's mobile number and that as far as they are concerned is all they can do. I asked about a microchip but they tell me that without the passport it means nothing x
 
Not confirmed the same as yet, will speak to the lady on passport this evening in more detail and the seller also.

He has white socks and a big star and she has pictures etc so will compare those when i get home, and if it isnt him will have to get vet out to scan the microchip. Maybe apply for a standard passport if all else fails.

It seems as though he's the same though as the only pascoe on the database is the same age and same colour, and i know my pony was cut late because the seller advised of this when i first trialled him and still swollen underneath until recently.
 
Just had a chat and an email, is definitely the same pony, they're sending me a letter over now so i can apply for the new passport
 
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