at the risk of being banned

My foal died. I won't get to see her grow up, and I won't be trying to breed another. I love following the foals on here and watching them grow and develop and it is being spoiled by a few. Well done, I hope you are satisfied.
 
im not a breeder, i visit the breeding section cos i love looking at the foal pics and reading the contributions from the posters. i don't care who posts em but i don't see the sense in having a breeding forum if the breeders, be them professional or amateur, are so restricted about what can and can't be posted.

I'm a simple soul and in my simple world i don't see why a mare owner can post pics of their foal(s) but the stallion owners can't post pics of theirs, or of the stallions themselves.
Ok so there may be an argument that the stallion owners charge a stud fee, but the mare owners will get a 'fee' down the line if the foal sells, so what's the difference?

What about the thinly disguised advertising on other parts of HHO...'will this mare/gelding sell,...is anyone buying cos my "insert description here" hasnt had any offers'

maybe the 'Breeding' title refers to the breeding of button-pushers!
 
So why dont H&H have a "FOR SALE" section?? most other forums do. I hope in the next fews days to proudly put photos of my mare & foal.
 
Soooooooo, hypothetically, if I began a "Show me your stallions" thread in PG would that be against the rules I wonder?

Would it be considered advertising to show pictures of horses just because they still had their plums?

My stallion is in my avatar, if I could be bothered to update my signature that would probably have photos of his foals, would that be advertising?
 
lily1 said:
So why dont H&H have a "FOR SALE" section?? most other forums do. I hope in the next fews days to proudly put photos of my mare & foal.
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Probably because most other forums aren't associated with a publication that presumably relies heavily on advertising. If there is what amounts to free adverts why would anyone bother to pay for one?

I can understand why they don't have one.
 
Happened to me too. Someone asked about our stallion Chess and when I finally had some foals up and put the link to see them, someone pushed the button and all was deleted and I was warned. Now I do not know how to post any more here as I fear it will be taken down again. So better do not post at all. This is my first post since then I think.

I also feel that breeding should mostly involve offspring fotos and I have certainly not posted any for sale as most are bred by clients anyway and are not for sale either as Chess has been sold to Australia and so his foals are rare now and everyone wants to keep theirs.
 
I think that HHO and the breeding section is getting beyond a joke!

I used to post about pictures and details of all my foals, but then two years ago I kept on getting posts deleted and warnings because "someone had complained". So I no longer post on here and this is why me and fellow breeders set up Horse Breeders Forum, because at least there you can post pictures, ask about stallions and everyone gets lots of information off it. There are no silly marketing "injunctions" and because of that everyone has a lot of fun and learns a lot.

Magic I hear what you are saying re Admin watching the forums, and they may do this on an adhoc basis. But in the PMs I have ever received it has been because someone has complained and been a button pusher, who obviously is just jealous, plain and simple.

So Cruiseline, think of it this way. The only reason someone has reported you and you have been banned is because of jealous people, who obviously are not happy with what they are breeding and in turn must complain about the success of others. So read it as a sign of success.

And if I get banned for writing the above, or someone else complains then I dont care because its a rare occasion that I post in here anymore anyway.

So people there are other forums where you can find out about breeding and post your successes without fear of reprisal!
 
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Anastasia, sorry but I still think most of it is Admin themselves. I dont doubt there are those jealous sad souls with nothing better to do. And may karma pay them back for their petty little deeds, but I still say we are being monitored more then Admin would like us to believe.
 
I just think we should all be allowed to post foal pictures, [I'm useless at it anyway!!] Breeding equals foals. Simple.
Carry on Cruiseline, your breeding plans and knowledge are excellent, sod the button pushers and admin!
 
magic104 said:
Anastasia, sorry but I still think most of it is Admin themselves. I dont doubt there are those jealous sad souls with nothing better to do. And may karma pay them back for their petty little deeds, but I still say we are being monitored more then Admin would like us to believe.
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Perhaps magic....

I remember what this forum was like for a start, full of lots of eager breeders who were just thrilled to post about the good news of their foals born. Now it seems that only the private one horse breeder can post, while those with a stud are basically being discriminated against for fear that it may be seen as advertising, even though the person with the one horse could also be selling said foal. Its all double standards, and as for the people who have so much time on their hands to keep on reporting threads, well they need to get a life really, and if they are not happy with their own breeding programme then they need to do something about it!

HHO Admin need to take their head out their behinds and wake up to the reality of what a breeding forum is about. Its about sharing news and gaining knowledge, and you cant do any of that without posting pictures. The more they stomp on breeders the less likely they will ever advertise in their magazine, so they are not even helping themselves, let alone have more knowledgable breeders on their forums.
 
I think it is also worth their sitting up and taking note that there are many breeders who have been so upset by having their posts deleted and being banned that they have stopped buying the paper version of H&H too.

Surely alienating breeders, which is actually a large part of the equestrian population in this country, is not a good business move. They may try to salvage their obviously thousands of pounds of lost revenue due to people posting photos of their stallions and foals (cough) but they will lose just as much when people no longer buy or advertise with them due to being treated so shoddily.
 
I was told someone had complained about my post last year as it was titled Riccos youngstock it was actually other peoples youngstock that were out and about showing in coloured classes I think the peope who push buttons are fellow stud owner and buisness rivals.
and they push the botton when they see you doing well if your having rpblems oh it can stay!
 
I agree with just about every comment, so far, but specifically LynneB's.

We have to consider that Admin, are probably paid staff and that they are following the prescribed instructions of their employers, IPC Media. I'm not sure about The FC, and I suspect that he's an honorary prefect!! (It's probably covered by the OSA, so we wont find out for 30 years, and by which time, we'll have lost interest!!)

Those who take part in this forum must be a near minuscule percentage of those who buy the H&H, as a journal. IPC Media, are most certainly loosing a great deal of respect, from those who feel that the petty, pointless and puerile decisions taken, regarding what is acceptable and what isn't, are quite simply, turning this breeding section into a farce.

Foals are the result of breeding. Fact. Those who contribute, generally, look for affirmation that they've made the right decisions. Fact. I have NEVER seen a foal offered on here for sale. Fact, and anyway, the decision to sell or to keep, is rarely made in the first few weeks of birth.

I'm going to PM The FC, and ask if he, or another, can join this thread, and clarify the forum owner's rational behind the decisions which have been taken.

Alec.
 
I've been in touch with TFC, and I've received a well reasoned and argued response.

I can't, and wont quote it, word verbatim, but the gist of it is, that Admin need to be approached, and if the current policies are considered unworkable, then an approach should be made to them.

I'm now wondering how we collectively approach Admin, and request a more workable approach to life, though it's unlikely that they will become involved in a public debate.

Anyone got any thoughts?

Alec.
 
Whaaaat?!! Cruiseline has been banned???!! CRUISELINE???

Sorry - I have considerable sympathy for TFC, who has a difficult and thankless job, but the button-pushing clearly has become completely ridiculous if someone like Cruiseline can be banned!

Cruiseline has never posted anything that could possibly be construed as 'advertising'. When someone asks for stallion suggestions, even if her boy ticks all the boxes on their wish-list, she is still scrupulously careful to recommend other stallions as well.

Thanks Alec - TFC does seem like a reasonable person, and I'm happy to join you in any approach to admin about this situation. Although like you I'm not sure how we can do this collectively, except through threads like this one?
 
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It definately seems to be a poster with a vendetta against CL as maaany other posters have given details on dam and sire's breeding and never had their threads pulled, let alone be banned!! :mad::( I myself have, I even posted a link to the stud of the stallion as I didnt realise I was rule breaking and nothing happened!!

FGS button pusher, if you are reading this, seriously get a life. Everyone except you enjoys the foal posts and the point of the breeding forum is to LEARN about breeding practises and naming stallions and the dam's sire is important to those considering said stallions and it is interesting to see pics of their progeny.

What if you are a one stallion owner, like htobago? How is it fair that mare owners can post pictures and they cant share the excitement of their breeding acheivements.
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Thank you cliodhna!

I think I must be in the worst position possible on this forum. I am a one-horse owner - a typical, besotted one-horse owner who loves to chat about her horse, share photos, etc.

But I can't post photos or anything about my horse because he is a stallion and stands at stud. Nor can I even post photos or news of his foals - despite constantly being asked to do so by other forum members.

I hate sound like a moaner, but it does seem a little bit unfair that mare owners can post photos of foals that will clearly be for sale, while I can't post photos of foals that don't even belong to me and are not for sale.

Much, much more important - as everyone else has said, this is supposed to be a breeding forum. Breeders need to see, assess and discuss stallions, mares, foals and youngstock. Even with the best will in the world, these essential detailed assessments and discussions of breeding stock cannot possibly be achieved exclusively through adverts in Horse & Hound!

So please, admin, allow the dedicated breeders on here to see all the horses that are the future of British breeding, not just those who happen to belong to breeders without stallions of their own.
 
Good Idea TFC and others so

How about something along these lines:

EVERYONE can post pictures of foals they have bred or friends have bred and even talk about achievements of older youngstock and horses, but it must be mentioned in the post heading i.e foal pictures or something similar and also they must state that they own or have an interest in the sire in any given case, sires and dams details can be listed for all to see.

Then we can see for ourselves what types a stallion is producing from different mares and go ahhh at all those cute babies, but it also assists breeders looking to produce the next generation of British bred horses, so the forum helps promote and improve British Breeding and we get to see all the babies not a select few!!

Then people can choose to look at the post or if they are currently a button pusher they can now choose not to look and would now have no reason to push the button, or they get off their chairs and post pics of their own stock and stop the preoccupation with what others have!!

No mention of sale or any implications that they might be for sale whatsoever in the young stock posts nor any mention of stud fees or where and how that stallion stands.

No posts with the purpose of blatantly advertising stallions, but stallion owners can respond if the poster asks for suggestions, then they should be able to respond for that mare / mare owner, stating why they think their stallion would suit that mare (possibly make this a requirement then at least some thought must go into responding on a stallion owners part!), so the mare owner gets proper reasoned feedback.

Stop pussy footing around and if someone transgresses these simple rules then zero tolerance and an immediate ban results and for persistent offenders a permanent one.

We or admin put this or any other proposals up on this forum as a vote, everyone responds how they see fit even the button pushers can have their say so its open and transparent, then majority rules!
 
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Oh and PS Bring back CRUISELINE NOW!!!! It's a travesty of justice do it quick before we involve Liberty International!!!!!!
 
Very often mares get left off the stallion page, at least on here you can get so see what both parents have produced. You can then see how well the stallion stamps his mark & if he is likely to suit your mare. Cuts back on travelling all over, though obviously the stallion shows help with that as well.

So photos of foals along with their breeding & then of them growing up, the more the merrier. And when a stallion is suggested for a mare, as already said, how about a reason why he has been put forward. What will he contribute to the mix will certainly help other mare owners.
 
There is no point in having a breeding forum if you cannot post pictures of your foals, stalliions or mares because there is nothing to talk about.
 
Kaylum said:
There is no point in having a breeding forum if you cannot post pictures of your foals, stalliions or mares because there is nothing to talk about.
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*gulp* I've never posted photos of my foals, stallions or mares but I've managed to rack up 500 posts mostly all in this breeding forum :o
 
Alec Swan said:
I've been in touch with TFC, and I've received a well reasoned and argued response.

I can't, and wont quote it, word verbatim, but the gist of it is, that Admin need to be approached, and if the current policies are considered unworkable, then an approach should be made to them.

I'm now wondering how we collectively approach Admin, and request a more workable approach to life, though it's unlikely that they will become involved in a public debate.

Anyone got any thoughts?

Alec.
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Alec would you like to put the proposal forward to admin as you now have a good working relationship with TFC and ask them to set up a voting post on the Breeding Forum for them?

So something like this if everyone agrees?

Anyone can post pictures of youngstock they have bred, but must declare any interest in the stallion involved. Sire and Dam names and breed can be listed. The post title must include the name of the sire so for instance "My Foal by".

No posts with the purpose of blatantly advertising of stallions or the sale of mares or youngstock, and no indication that anything posted on here is for sale or loan.

Stallion owners can respond to posts asking for suggestions, but must state why they think their stallion would suit that mare.

Any transgressions of these simple rules will result in an immediate ban and for persistent offenders a permanent ban.
 
BTW we know who TFC is he was outed on facebook where his alter ego resides (who takes no notice whatsoever of button pushers or naughty words).
 
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