at the risk of being banned

OMG ... what happened to free speech you can post a picture of your beloved animals which are no longer with us but you cant post pictures of your new babies who have been born recently where is the logic..

you can view deceased pics
but not newly born :confused:


I wonder if they would remove them if you posted the pics in the gone but not forgotten thread:confused: answer prob not .

Beautyfull babie by the way I love to see baby pics ( equine ones)
 
KarynK said:
Alec would you like to put the proposal forward to admin as you now have a good working relationship with TFC and ask them to set up a voting post on the Breeding Forum for them?

So something like this if everyone agrees?

Anyone can post pictures of youngstock they have bred, but must declare any interest in the stallion involved. Sire and Dam names and breed can be listed. The post title must include the name of the sire so for instance "My Foal by".

No posts with the purpose of blatantly advertising of stallions or the sale of mares or youngstock, and no indication that anything posted on here is for sale or loan.

Stallion owners can respond to posts asking for suggestions, but must state why they think their stallion would suit that mare.

Any transgressions of these simple rules will result in an immediate ban and for persistent offenders a permanent ban.
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This sounds great to me, but I somehow doubt that admin will accept it. :(

But just in case there is a chance of this proposal getting accepted, could we possibly alter it just slightly to allow people to post photos of foals or youngstock that they have not bred themselves?

This is not just a selfish request - I'm sure there are other stallion owners here who would like to post photos of their stallions' foals from outside mares. And breeders on here who would like to see these foals and get an idea of what British stallions are producing from a wide range of different types of mare.
 
Trying to see this from Horse & Hound's point of view, I really don't think that they lose any advertising revenue when people post photos or news of their stallions, mares and foals on here.

Nobody could possibly afford to take out an ad in a magazine every time a foal is born, or a yearling wins at a show, or a youngster looks cute playing in a paddock, for heaven's sake!

If we are not allowed to share these kind of informal, detailed, day-to-day updates and photos on here, we don't rush to book ads in H&H instead - we simply go to other forums. So H&H gains nothing in advertising income by banning this.
 
KarynK said:
Alec would you like to put the proposal forward to admin as you now have a good working relationship with TFC and ask them to set up a voting post on the Breeding Forum for them?

So something like this if everyone agrees?

Anyone can post pictures of youngstock they have bred, but must declare any interest in the stallion involved. Sire and Dam names and breed can be listed. The post title must include the name of the sire so for instance "My Foal by".

No posts with the purpose of blatantly advertising of stallions or the sale of mares or youngstock, and no indication that anything posted on here is for sale or loan.

Stallion owners can respond to posts asking for suggestions, but must state why they think their stallion would suit that mare.

Any transgressions of these simple rules will result in an immediate ban and for persistent offenders a permanent ban.
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Karyn,

certainly I'll open the negotiations, but before I do, perhaps we should all consider, that if Admin are to relax, or agree to amend the T&Cs, then we all have to acquire a collective responsibility.

I've been advised, privately, that there are those who've abused the facilities. I've never yet seen such abuse, but presumably if they hadn't, nigh on two years ago, then the T&Cs wouldn't have been altered.

I would also point out that The FC, has responded to a query in the Feedback section, which makes interesting reading. The same TFC doesn't make the decisions, he/she simply follows instructions, so berating the The FC, is pointless.

If I'm to approach Admin, in an initial capacity, then there seems little point in a poll!! We know what the results of that will be, don't we?! It MAY be possible, that a sensible debate could be entered into, some common ground found, to the betterment of our enjoyment, and the relief of The FC.

I'll have a go, if you wish, but it wont happen overnight. Let me know what you think.

Alec.

Ets, a brief and simple Yes or No answer, from those with an interest will be enough. We don't need a poll, about a poll, just some support, or not. Let me know how you all feel. a
 
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Perhaps each stallion owner can have ONE thread that they are allowed to post progeny pictures on, ie "Avanti Amourous Archie Foals 2011" (:))
Or if it makes it easier to police have a Progeny board?
In addition to obv being able to answer the "what would suit my mare" post etc
I dont think that there should be any advertising or direct links to studs in sigs still.

Hope this makes sense!
 
I've sent a PM to Admin, asking for their thoughts as to how we may resolve our current difficulties. I very much doubt that they will want to join in with a public debate, and having given my word that I will not repeat the details of their response, then I shall have to stick to that.

Apart from The FC, who never seems to sleep! I would imagine that we will have to wait until Monday, before there is any sort of reply. I will let you know how I get on!

Alec.
 
An interesting point Maesfen, and I'll admit, that I never actually look at them!! :o

If Admin point out that as the facility is already in place, what's the point in duplicating it, then I'm not too sure how that could be countered.

Alec.
 
I must admit that I never look in there either. It just never crosses my mind to do so. I guess it's because it's difficult to have conversation about a foal in there, due to the confusion created by lots of foal pics - it's not terribly user friendly.

Alec, you efforts are commendable! Thank you :)
 
Sportznight said:
I must admit that I never look in there either. It just never crosses my mind to do so. I guess it's because it's difficult to have conversation about a foal in there, due to the confusion created by lots of foal pics - it's not terribly user friendly.

Alec, you efforts are commendable! Thank you :)
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Snap/Ditto
 
Sportznight said:
I must admit that I never look in there either. It just never crosses my mind to do so. I guess it's because it's difficult to have conversation about a foal in there, due to the confusion created by lots of foal pics - it's not terribly user friendly.

Alec, you efforts are commendable! Thank you :)
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I agree with you, it's not the place for a chat, just an announcement which defeats the object but I suppose better than all those threads being removed or stallion owners being banned - as long as stallion owners are able to post pics of foals by their stallions in there as well of course - otherwise the Breeding Forum is pretty worthless as not everyone likes to use Facebook.
 
I don't look at foals either. So that is most of us!!

Perhaps it is because foals are born from Jan-June and it means scrolling through pages, whereas this forum is current and topical and so the best place for foals.
 
Janet, Congratulations.

This is what gets me, I can and do, put up photos of my foals by my own stallion..
what the heck is the difference between me doing that and you doing it? :confused::confused::confused:
 
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Enfys said:
Janet, Congratulations.

This is what gets me, I can and do, put up photos of my foals by my own stallion..
what the heck is the difference between me doing that and you doing it? :confused::confused::confused:
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I am guessing loss of revenue, stallion owners in this country could possibly use this as a free way of advertising. Your stallion is not going to take away revenue as you are hardly going to use H&H to advertise him anyway. H&H have improved, but there are other publications like Horse Deals (also owned by IPC) that do a better job of promoting breeding
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I think people do have very clear ideas about which stallion they will use or not use so a photo will not really make them chose this or that stallion. I have started a website for the foals of the stallion that was inquired information here but when I told about this - I did not even post a picture! - I was warned. So I do not understand for what all that is good if you cannot give information. It was certainly not to promote anything as I do not even know the person that inquired and I think it was not her interst for breeding either, she just wanted some information. The stallion has anyway sold to Australia just recently.
 
magic104 said:
I am guessing loss of revenue, stallion owners in this country could possibly use this as a free way of advertising. Your stallion is not going to take away revenue as you are hardly going to use H&H to advertise him anyway. H&H have improved, but there are other publications like Horse Deals (also owned by IPC) that do a better job of promoting breeding
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The ONLY place I advertise my boy is on the IDHS(GB) Yearbook & website as I don't WANT more than a handful of outside mares for him - and I'd prefer RID mares. Not being snobby about it - but he IS 20 and I am 'nursing' him along a bit. I'm also too over-stocked to have much room for outside mares.

IPC DOESN'T own Horse Deals - I know there were plans for IPC to buy it in 2006, but there was a 'competition' enquiry and the deal was cancelled. Horse Deals is now owned by Bauer Media - which also publishes Your Horse. And Horse Deals is doing a feature On Irish Draughts in July - which my boy will pobably be in (DO hope the photographer Photoshops out the poo stains he was wearing when she visited!:D)
 
I do find it rather incongruous that a 'breeding' forum has so many don'ts, button pushers, threats of banning and warnings. I am a member of several forums and the other 'breeding' forums are less stringent. It is permissible to post pics of your own foals, even if you own the stallion. It is only blatant advertising that is not allowed.

It is to be hoped that Alec's reasoned approach to TFC will enable a relaxation of the rules to allow us to enjoy this section of HHO to a greater extent. Most breeders know their own minds and aren't swayed by hype and those who self-promote at any opportunity. In fact, that is inclined to put me right off. I like to think that I am adult enough to make up my own mind but do enjoy seeing what other people breed and what they like.

I hope that there will be a more positive way forward and that HHO 'Breeding' forum will become a more enjoyable place to visit where we can all enjoy the fruits of each others' labours.

I agree that blatant advertising and intimation of stock for sale should not be allowed but please relax the rules on breeders posting foal pictures, regardless of whether they are stallion owners or not. Getting a foal is what breeding is all about. It's a rocky path to get as far as a healthy foal so, please, let us be allowed to celebrate our achievement with those who are interested.
 
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Sportznight said:
I must admit that I never look in there either. It just never crosses my mind to do so. I guess it's because it's difficult to have conversation about a foal in there, due to the confusion created by lots of foal pics - it's not terribly user friendly.

Alec, you efforts are commendable! Thank you :)
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Very good point SN - the stickied threads are always too long and confusing and cumbersome. It's very difficult to find anything or have any sort of proper conversation on a 'War and Peace'-length thread like that.

Plus it seems a bit daft to allow people to post about their horses on one thread but not another - it's all the same sub-forum, after all!
 
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