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Would u say that a rider was ready to own and care for a horse, going by the scale below(Its a bit long). My parents made me get to Yellow before they let me get a horse AND I was riding/helping out with other peoples horses.

Beginner Level
Adult Stage 1- Pink Ribbon

At this level, the rider should have mastered the basics which will allow them to lead their pony correctly, prepare their pony to mount, mounting and dismounting, preparing to ride off, and being able to control the pony in walk and halt. The rider should have a correct basic position and be able to have a little trot quite happily.


In order to mount, the rider should be able to put the reins over the horse's head, check the girth to make sure it is tight enough and make sure the left stirrup is long enough to mount with.

To mount correctly, the rider should have the reins and the mane in the left hand, the right hand on the front of the saddle. They should then put their left foot in the stirrup while facing the horse's tail and then hop round till facing the saddle. They can then spring up and swing their right leg over the horse's bottom before landing gently in the saddle.

The rider should be able to hold the reins correctly and adjust their stirrups to the correct length. The girth should be checked before moving off.
The rider should demonstrate the correct position by sitting up straight, keeping their heels down and holding their hands up and together. They should be looking ahead.

The rider should be able to use their legs to ask the horse to move and halt the horse correctly. The rider should also be aware of the correct headwear and footwear when riding.

Note: We are aware that little children may not be able to do all of the above - in which case they must be able to tell us how they are trying to do it.


Novice level 1
Adult Stage 2 - Mauve Ribbon

This level is a small step up from the first level but requires the rider to be much more proficient in the trot.
The rider should be able to turn and circle their pony and know the correct way to ask their pony to do this. They should also be able to ride good corners using cones to help them to go into them.

The rider should also now have more control of their horse and be able to ask it to change pace at an allotted marker and halt beside a pole on the ground.
The rider should now be comfortable in the sitting trot and also capable of riding in the rising trot confidently. They should also be able to change direction while maintaining the rising trot. The rider should also have some understanding of diagonals in trot. Rising trot is where the rider sits to one beat and rises to the other in the trot. The rider should always sit as the horse's outside front shoulder comes back. This allows the horse's back legs to push forward more effectively. The outside leg or shoulder is the one nearest to the wall.

The rider should also be able to carry a whip correctly in the left hand and know why they have it.

By now, the rider should have completed some stable management such as the 'Stable Safety Course'.


Novice Level 1
Adult Stage 3 - Mauve + Ribbon

This level carries on very much from the mauve ribbon with similar requirements that are expected to be performed with higher proficiency.
Riders should now be able to mount without any assistance and should be able to help other riders mount by giving them a leg up, or by holding another horse's head while someone mounts up.

The rider must now demonstrate knowledge of the 'school rules' and be able to use them when working in open order. They ensure the riders can pass each other safely and correctly by passing 'left hand to left hand', and encourage riders to look up and around the arena so they can make way for other riders. This is much harder than working in a ride as the rider must have full control of their own horse and be able to prevent it from following the other horses.

Riders should now be able to ride turns, circles and other basic school movements such as three loop serpentines correctly as well as describing how they are asking their horse to do it.

The rider should now also be capable of riding in walk without stirrups and able to have a little trot without stirrups as well.
The rider's position in the saddle should now be correct and the rider should be able to keep this position most of the time. The rider should also be able to change their short whip into the other hand correctly.

The rider should be now able to ride a deep corner without the help of markers and should be showing more understanding of their diagonals. They should be on the correct diagonal most of the time or be able to recognize when they are on the wrong diagonal.


The rider should have now either completed the 'Stable safety Course' or Stable management 1.

Activities: Riders can now start to enjoy Pony Club games which are great fun and develop confidence.

Novice Level 2
Adult Stage 4 - Green Ribbon

This level is a fairly big leap from the last level as now the rider is expected to be competent in the canter and hold some understanding of it as well. By now, the rider should be starting to have some awareness of how horses behave when ridden and why this is. This is to help riders understand why their horse does not always follow the rider's instruction and help to show them that it is not always that rider has done something wrong but more to do with how horses behave and respond naturally.

Riders will by now have some experience of riding outside and should be aware of the correct behaviour when riding out on public land. (Country Code)
Riders should be now correctly dressed for riding with correct footwear and a correctly fitting hat with the hair tied back if necessary. They should also be aware (if they do not wear them already) that a rider should also be wearing Jodhpurs, a neat top and gloves when riding.
The rider should be able to mount correctly without making any mistakes and their position in the saddle should be secure and balanced.
The Rider should also know the horse's leg sequence in walk and trot which is to say the order in which the horse's legs move in.

The rider should now be confident in the trot and should be able to use their diagonals correctly when trotting at all times. They should also be comfortable trotting without their stirrups and be able to ride turns, circles and basic school movements without them.

The Canter is an important part of this level and the rider should be aware of how to ask the horse to canter correctly and be able to describe the aids they use to do this. The rider should be comfortable and secure cantering in both directions and should be able to recognize if the horse is cantering on the correct leg. When the horse canters, the inside front leg stretches further than the outside front leg and this means the horse is on the correct canter lead.
The rider should also have participated in the 'Horse Care' course or Stable Management 2.

Activity: Games are still being enjoyed.

Tricycling - This automatically introduces the riders to school movements and dressage and encourages team performance and spirit.

Novice Level 2
Adult Stage 5 - Green + Ribbon

This level is a summary of everything that has been learnt up until this point and the rider is expected to be confident and secure in all paces with and without stirrups.

The rider should by now be able to check their horse's tack before mounting to make sure that the saddle is in the correct position on the horse's back, and that the bridle is correctly fitted.

Their position should now be balanced and relaxed and they should have developed a secure seat in the saddle. There should be no lack of confidence or security when working in canter without their stirrups and on the flat or on turns and circles. This is the biggest step up from the previous ribbon as cantering a circle without stirrups is a lot more challenging than cantering on a straight line. This ribbon requires the rider to be more balanced and to be able to maintain their balance independently of the reins and without gripping with their legs.

The rider should recognize the correct diagonal at all times and should be able to recognize correct and incorrect canter leads.

The rider should have completed the 'Horse Care' course or Stable Management Three.

Activity: Tricycling and Team dressage leading to individual performance.
Early pole work in preparation for jumping and introduction to jumping position.


Jumping Level 1
Adult Stage 6 - Blue Ribbon

Having gained the confidence, security and balance from having a good riding position, riders are ready to start jumping. Please note: **** will not allow riders to start jumping until they are safe to do so even if other schools do.

After the preliminary practice over a single fence, almost all jumping training will focus on a jumping grid (line of fences), holding the mane or a neck strap until the rider develops balance and confidence. The outcome: The rider will be able to ride correctly to a fence at a suitable pace and demonstrate a balanced jumping position over the fence.

The rider's position is now also expected to be secure and they should have developed a 'deeper seat' which allows them to maintain it even if the horse should be behaving less predictably. This also will allow the rider to easily and confidently maintain the correct position at all three paces without stirrups. The rider should also know the correct leg sequence in canter.

Earlier dressage work and tricycling will have given the rider the experience of riding dressage movements of preliminary level. Riders will be expected to ride these movements and show an understanding of non progressive transitions and what constitutes a good transition (change of pace or tempo).

The rider should now be able to tack up their horse for a lesson and have also passed the 'Horse Care' course or Stable Management Three.

Activity: Riding across country without jumps but at greater speed.

Jumping Level 2
Adult Stage 7 - Blue + Ribbon

At this level, jumping is now the main focus as the rider's flatwork should now have reached a competent enough level to allow them to do so.
The rider is now expected to be able to jump a short course of two or three fences in an enclosed arena. This requires the rider to maintain a good pace and rhythm between the fences as well as jumping the fences in a competent manner.

The rider's jumping position is now expected to be more advanced and independent of the reins. The rider should be able to allow the reins over a fence by giving with their hands so that they follow the movement of the horse's head and neck. The rider's leg position is expected to be secure with the weight down into the heel to allow them to stay in balance with the horse over a fence.

The rider's seat and position during flatwork is also assessed again as the rider is now expected to have ridden outside in a field in all three paces and to have ridden up and down hills. Riding outside is very different to riding inside a closed arena as the environment is not controlled and horses tend to be much livelier outside. The rider's position should therefore allow them to be able to deal with a more excitable horse and should allow them to ride at a faster pace. The rider should have ridden up and down hills as this demonstrates that they are in balance with the horse.

The rider should also be able to show how to run up a horse 'in hand' correctly as it demonstrates control and confidence on the ground.

Activity: Grid Jumping - Six bar challenge


Semi - Advanced
Adult Stage 8 - Yellow Ribbon

This level is another big step up as the rider is expected to have gained a fuller understanding of how the horse goes and also have a much greater degree of control.

The rider should now be capable of riding preliminary dressage movements which are movements from the first level of dressage. This includes riding on a long rein at a free walk which allows the horse to stretch and demonstrates that the horse is working correctly.

The rider should be able to ride with the reins in one hand which shows that the rider is using their legs correctly to steer the horse and are not relying too much on the rein to assist them. Following on from this, the rider is expected to be able to coordinate their hand and leg aids correctly allowing them to ride the horse forward off the leg so they take a contact with the reins. The rider should maintain an even rein contact at all times and their hands should be soft and allowing rather than restrictive. The rider's seat should be well developed enough to be free from the need to use the reins for balance.

The rider's seat and leg position should now also be more sophisticated. The rider should sit in the center of the saddle with the weight balanced evenly on both seat bones. This allows them to more effectively influence the horse's movement. The rider's legs should be in line with the rest of the body, with the knee open and relaxed. The heel should be down and the leg should be closed around the horse's sides.

The rider should also be able to show differences within the horse's paces by shortening and lengthening the horse's stride at all paces. The rider is now showing that they can affect the way the horse goes rather than just being a passenger.

At this level, the rider is also expected to be able to jump a short course of two of three fences in the open as part of a balanced performance.

The rider should also be able to correctly use a long stick and be able to change it over correctly as well.

Horse care - Care of the grass kept horse.

Activity: Jumping a variety of individual cross country fences.

Semi - Advanced
Adult Stage 9 - Yellow + Ribbon

This level can be seen as a bit of a landmark as the rider can now truly call themselves a 'Rider'. From now on learning involves the development of skills needed to ride more spirited horses, difficult horses and those less predictable than the schoolmasters encountered in early learning.
The work at this level is primarily flat work concentrating on learning dressage movements and exercises which influences the way that the horse goes both on the flat and over fences.

The rider should now be working the horse correctly into a good outline and their position should enable the horse to work well without hindering it. The rider is now expected to ride serpentines in all three paces which involves simple change of canter leads and tighter turns which means that the horse needs to be more collected and well balanced.

The rider's position must be correct throughout and the rider should be riding at a flatwork length stirrup which requires a longer stirrup and longer length of leg. The rider should be balanced and able to move with the horse's rhythm to enable it to work in a softer and rounder shape. The rider should now assist the horse as opposed to restricting the horse's movement.

The rider should also be able to confidently ride simple lateral movements from and in walk such as Turn on the Forehand, Leg Yielding and shoulder in. Above all they should understand the importance of straightness in the horse and be beginning to look for a moment of suspension in the stride.
In recognition of the need to put more riding hours in at this level, riders are encouraged to assist their coaches helping to teach the more basic classes. There is a system enabling them to gain points for their efforts with the points counting towards extra riding opportunities as well as extra coaching.

Horse Care: All horse care learning from this level is focused towards horse ownership.
Activity: Jumping a cross country course at a good forward pace with balance and rhythm.


Team Rider
Adult Stage 10 - Red Ribbon

Although recognizing that not all riders wish to develop in the field of competition as riders progress to this level they will be encouraged to compete on ***** horses in local competitions within a 35 mile radius. Those who shun competition work can become involved in the training of young horses and the correction of naughty ones!

It is important that riders are now able to vocalise their thoughts and discuss the horses, pointing out both good and bad attributes that each horse has. This demonstrates that the rider is now a 'thinking' rider as well as a 'doing' one.

Jumping training progresses with the rider's ability to govern stride length and elevation and in line with that the pupils need to understand more about the distances between fences. Flatwork progresses to cover travers, and shoulder in all paces and Demi pirouette and spiraling circles to shorten and collect the canter.

The rider should also have lunged a quiet horse in an enclosed arena and be aware of the values of lunging and how to get a horse ready to lunge.

Bronze Award

This level is a direct extension of the previous one and looks to see that the rider has become established in working and assessing different types of horses and has had some more competition experience.

The rider is now required to work and assess two horse of a different type and have a clear understanding of the way each horse goes. The rider should now be able to have a clear vision of what they like and dislike in a horse and be able to identify any difficulties a horse may have or any faults in the way that they go. They should be sympathetic to any problems and be able to ride the horse in a manner that may improve it or be of benefit to the horse.
The rider should be continuing their education of lateral work and now be able to perform Shoulder In on both reins. The rider must now have a good understanding of how the horse bends as well as be able to evaluate straightness in order to be able to prepare the horse correctly to perform these movements.

The rider should now have competed more widely and at competitions out with **** in both dressage and jumping.
The rider should also have completed one of the Specialist Badges of their choice. #

Silver Award

At this level the rider should now be able to ride horses to improve their way of going and should have a more extensive knowledge of exercises that may benefit them and how the exercise works to achieve this.

The rider should be now capable of riding movements from a Novice level dressage test, Discovery jumping and intro eventing.
Riders at this level are expected to be able and confident when riding horses that buck, nap, and generally misbehave whether inside or out. It is expected that in doing so the rider does not rely on the reins for security and is able to ride the buck out of the horse (not pull it's head up) and in particular have a napping horse mend it's ways.

Gold Award

This award is the highest award that can be achieved at ******* and as a result demands a high standard of riding and conduct overall. The rider is now expected to be able to train a horse rather than just ride it. In assessing the horse they are expected to understand from its conformation, age, temperament and fitness what they might reasonably expect from it. They should be able to plan out a fittening and training schedule to prepare a horse for a specific event.
Riders are expected to be able to deal with horses which rear and bolt and at competition level they must now have competed successfully (to have completed three of each event) in a One Day Event at a Pre - Novice level, dressage at elementary and show jumping at Newcomer height.

Consideration will be given to the following:
That riders may not come up to standard in one of the above but who show considerable ability in any other form of riding may be accepted as "up to scratch" for this level. Other aspects might be - Western riding, endurance, driving, point to point, steeplechase, polo, showing, dressage, horse training, vaulting, show jumping, tetrathlon, games and polo cross, teaching.

In addition, disabled riders will be given special consideration by being judged on merit and comparative ability.
Past pupils may be awarded this award after they have left **** in recognition of their later accomplishments in the equestrian field.
 

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I was at Silver I would say from that guideline! Had ridden at Elementary, was jumping Open HT's and SJ upto prob 1.05m before I got my pony. But he was a prob pony, and sent to me to be sorted out as was nappy and just very insecure.

I would agree yellow ribbon would be about Minimal IMHO unless shared/ on very knowledgable yard.
 

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I don't think it makes much difference at all when someone buys a horse, providing there are others around who will help them when they need advice. I have just sold 2 horses to total beginners this year......and I mean TOTAL beginners! They have never even been on a horse. How are they doing 7 months down the line? Absolutely brilliantly!!

I think you really do have a bee in your bonnet about this child at your yard whose parents are planning on buying her a horse......sounds dreadfully like sour grapes to me.....
 

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Oh do shut up! You are beginning to sound like an old stuck record....leave the blooming child alone.
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It all depends on the experience behind the purchaser..
never heard of a system like this..
but I think ifyou have good back up, no time you can't get one!
We certainly weren't very experienced when we got ours, and it worked out grand as we had supposedly experienced people behind us, and although I would do some things differently, it has worked out fine.
 

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Well maybe I do!!

It just drives me nutty!! I have so far seen a bout 3 children that have gotten horses, have NON horsey parents, and it is not just the lack of riding skill - more the utter lack of horse care knowledge, and definately the fact that they CANT be bothered to even try and learn, or find out and ESPECIALLY wont listen when other people do try and help (both the child AND the parents).

When I have seen for about the 20th time, a pony COVERED in mud being ridden at a canter round and round and round a school and just pointed at jumps it does kinda get on my wick! Maybe I have just been brought up to expect to see more respect for horses from their owners???

Why would I be jealous??? I have a horse, a bloody good one what is better than hers (not that that matters).

I have nothing against someone who doesnt ride buying a horse, as my sister has a friend who got an UNBROKEN pony and then they both learned together, but she did have knowlegeable parents.

ultimately its the ones who want ponies as their friends have ponies, then they just forget about them!!

I apologise for liking to see horses properly looked after!!!
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did you check to see if they have groomed under the saddle?
Have to admit, my little sister (9) jumps every time she rides...which is aprox 1/2 times a week. Her pony is healthy, happy, a little overweight but that's it. It annoys me sometimes, but only cos she's my annoying sister!
There are always scenarios, but it's their pony at the end of the day
 

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Don't judge others by your own standards! And it is NOT up to you to decide what age a child should be when their parents decide to buy them a horse!

God I don't rant often on here.....but you are so blooming insanely jealous of this child that you really do need to take a good long look at yourself!

For your information - most people learn a shed-load more in a week of owning a horse than they ever will with a life time of lessons.

Just stop bitching about her!!!
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Well if you think that it's only beginners who "abuse" their horses then I think you're deluding yourself.I've seen people who should know better do some seriously stupid things to their animals,and show them no respect whatsoever
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To say that you should have achieved a certain level before embarking on ownership is damn patronising
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As long as someone is willing to take advice and ask for help then I see nothing wrong with a beginner taking on a horse
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All sounds a bit confusing to me.
What on earth is tricycling? And having to do a stable management course?!
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Utterly bizarre.

I Second Tia - I got my first pony as a 10 year old, my parents were unhorsey and I loved cantering around and jumping. It's what children do! I learnt more from having my own pony in a month then I did in 3 years of riding lessons!
 

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I would have thought it was less to do with riding ability (given a suitable horse and instruction) than with stable management and knowledge/experience of horse care (which aren't really detailed in your scale).

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WHY EXACTLY WOULD I BE JEALOUS?

I bet that if someone came on here asking about something like, there horse is walkign funny should it be ok to ride, you would tut about how they are not ready to own an equine!!

I have NO problem with those who are WILLING to learn!!! And I know they will learn more looking after a horse as they will not just be turning up and riding then going home. I just feel that some BASIC knowledge is essential. And I know I'm not alone in this.............I'm sure the ILPH, BHS, RSPCA would agree!

And I know that abuse can happen at ANY level. But there is a difference between those who Dont know, an those who know better yet still chose to do it!

Sorry for being 'old school' with my views on this...........its just what has been instilled in me by instructors and lecturers at college and in various educational horsemanship books and resources I have read
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The scale is taken from our main local riding establishment. They do stable and horse care management courses that you HAVE to do at various stages. It doesnt come across I guess as I know what they are and arent allowed to do at each stage with regards to helping look after the ponies, and until they are at 'Green' they arent really allowed to muck in fully.

This is mainly rooted from having someone share my horse - who came from this establishment after 8 1/2 years - and did not know how to muck out, rug up, soak sugar beet etc AND had DONE these Stable Management courses!!!
And last year having to rush to grab my horse in after it was given sugar beet soaked for 4 hours as the girl did not know the difference between Pellet and Speedi Beet and couldnt be bothered to read the bag!!

I guess I was spoilt when I was young as I wanted to learn and had lots of local 'horsey' resources
 

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I got my first pony probably when i was at the green stage ( no ribbon) maybe a tiny bit less. My parents wern't horsey but i was at a fabulous stables who helped me out and my mum made an effort to learn and the pony wasn't abused...probably the most loved and well looked after it had ever been...
 

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This system seems slightly bizarre to me - why should you be able to carry the whip correctly in the left hand? Surely in the school it depends what rein you are on and out hacking I was always taught to carry a stick in my right hand so if you use it and the horse moves away form it it's not moving into traffic.
A friend of mine got a horse when she was basically a novice (not sure what 'colour' that equates to) and has non-horsey parents but she kept the horse at a good livery yard, got lots of help with him and lessons. Knew when to ask for help and when she was out of her depth and is now doing affiliated eventing just a few years later. I think your attitude on owning a horse can often be more important then your ability.
 

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From the local riding school, where 70% of the people around here learn to ride.

Basic knowledge: How to groom, muck out, feed, when to call the vet, handling from the ground, knowing the difference between and ill and a healthy horse etc.

I am not saying that children should know it all, but the parents should at least know the basics, and if not they should try and find out, and be willing to accept help from qualified people, not just other livieries etc.

Its people not knowing, and then not being bothered to TRY and learn.
 

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I got my first horse when I was 14... Id been riding since I was 3, but wouldnt say my lessons were actually worth while up until I was about 12. Prior to that it was mainly hacking and I just wanted to be with the ponies.

I was not experienced at all when I got my first but my teacher helped my parents find him for me (Im from a none horsey family) and he stayed on full livery with the yard that he came from. He was 18 years old, 17hh westphalien gelding.

I really didnt know much but the people around me did and kept a very close eye on what I was doing. That horse taught me so much and because he was with a lot of knowledgeable people, he didnt suffer through having an inexperienced owner.

I had him for 3 years before we bought a second horse and this was because I began to want to compete and my old boy was looking for an easier life. Only then did I begin doing my BHS stages too.

It's probably not the ideal way to go about things, but even looking back I dont think that horse suffered in any way through my lack of experience. I had lots of lessons, lots of people to help and he got a teenager who doted on him
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other liveries may be knowledgeable..
Some of that would be looked after on full livery, and they will have to learn when they get older for various reasons.
With a good back up a completely unknowledgeable person can get a horse. It's not perfect but tis not a huge problem unless they strike out on their own or aren't willing to take advice.
Are the ponies ill/unhealty/unhappy?
 

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Do they stick to it rigidly?

Fair enough - but how do you know this girl won't accept help if she doesn't even have a pony yet?
 

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Could be
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No u didnt, someone else did. I dont mean to be patronising!! But SOMETIMES you have to be!! I mean if you saw someone about to do something they REALLY shouldn't would you not deem stepping in and helping and telling them how to do it slightly patronising to?

She HAS the horse already. And various VERY experienced people have tried to offer advice and been shot down in flames basically!!

Tierra - your situation is NOT what I was meaning as you had what sounds like the ideal situation, and were keen to learn and probably knew the basics as you had been around horses for a long itme.
 

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You could quite possibly.........................................I have been 'warned' that friends of hers are on here.
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The horse is not ill or unhealthy, but do not know to say if it is happy or not. Saw it getting ridden properly (someone elses word not mine!!) today and it was going a bit psycho.

It is all fine as long as there is help. But you honestly cant say that a complete novice would be ok to have a horse if they dont have any resources or access to help/advice?
 
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