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Oh, I quite like!

The only thing I wasn't sure about where they stirrups on the pad thing. Everything else seemed like perfectly valid circus style training. Shows precision, calmness and trust.
 
I didn't read it as dominant - man under hoof certainly wasn't and quite a lot was 'snuggly' in appearance, I thought those who weren't keen were thinking it was too cheesy!

MotherOfChickens - what is the point of jumping/eventing/polo/blah? This was just showmanship, proving training of certain moves, like dressage but without the hideous mouth torture.
 
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ThursdayNext said:
I didn't read it as dominant - man under hoof certainly wasn't and quite a lot was 'snuggly' in appearance, I thought those who weren't keen were thinking it was too cheesy! .
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It may be snuggly in appearance but it was very controlled and manufactured. Watch it again, how he pulls the horse's head round and unbalances him to make him lie down at the beginning. Exactly the same way as the stunt riders in Westerns get horses to fall as part of a gunfight - the only difference is that they do it at speed.

The hoof on the chest is still dominance - psychological rather than physical - no one in their right mind would get a horse to do that if they didn't feel in control of the situation. All the horse has to do is to move his weight forward and the man is crushed.
 
Watched a few seconds and agree. Made me feel really uncomfortable. The twisting it's head back to make it lie down is pure dominance and doing it while sitting on it?!

Putting pressure on a horse's organs while it's lying down cannot be good for it. I feel the same about people who sit on them when they are lying down. Very odd thing to do IMO.
 
ThursdayNext said:
MotherOfChickens - what is the point of jumping/eventing/polo/blah? This was just showmanship, proving training of certain moves, like dressage but without the hideous mouth torture.
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well, ignoring the fact dressage should improve the horse-what makes you think I think there's any point to any of the others?

there is no point laying the horse down or on its back for showmanship-it puts a lot of pressure on internal organs. it was extremely cheesy but not the worst thing on that page.
 
It came up on my fb earlier today and i didn't watch it all the way through, to me it seemed unatural , unecesary and over dominating. .. but then so does alot of horse showmanship- there are a lot of things i'd rather not watch these days in the name of entertainment and skill
 
It always surprises me with this sort of video how many horsey people think it shows some sort of amazing bond. This one in particular just makes me uncomfortable.
 
Oh, entirely agree the trainer had to feel in control (same goes for most disciplines to a large extent) and that it is slightly pointless (same goes for...) but I'm not bothered by a horse being on its back for only a few seconds more than it would be if rolling over in the field (we take risks with our horses jumping, by happy hacking on the roads, by stabling, pretty much anything) and I'm not bothered by stunt riding /circs trick training per se either. The head bending thing is a way of training the desired behaviour and, at halt, I don't think overly risky. Not much worse than carrot stretches/treating next to boot from horseback.

No, I didn't see it as a beautiful dance of equal partners, (it wasn't to my artistic taste nor is any equine discipline I can think of equal between horse and rider/trainer) but what is? Compared to most disciplines I didn't see it as significantly more physically harmful nor have I any reason to suppose that the training was any worse than anything else. Would rather watch that than overbent horses with their mouths strapped onto too much metal work in a dressage arena.
 
spacefaer said:
It may be snuggly in appearance but it was very controlled and manufactured. Watch it again, how he pulls the horse's head round and unbalances him to make him lie down at the beginning. Exactly the same way as the stunt riders in Westerns get horses to fall as part of a gunfight - the only difference is that they do it at speed.

The hoof on the chest is still dominance - psychological rather than physical - no one in their right mind would get a horse to do that if they didn't feel in control of the situation. All the horse has to do is to move his weight forward and the man is crushed.
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If the hoof on the chest is dominance what is a man, with spurs, a whip and possibly quite a strong bit, riding a showjumper around a large indoor course of jumps at speed in a jump off?. That is both psychological as well as physical dominance. The horse hardly chooses to do that. No difference than this video. Nor in fact is anything people do with horses. For the most part the horse does it due to the dominance of the leader. I don't see anything particularly bad about the video in comparison to the other things horses are MADE to do.. In fact the horse is possibly in far less danger of getting hurt than if he was jumping, racing or even being transported in a vehicle.
 
ThursdayNext said:
I didn't read it as dominant - man under hoof certainly wasn't and quite a lot was 'snuggly' in appearance, I thought those who weren't keen were thinking it was too cheesy!
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In APPEARANCE is the whole point.

ThursdayNext said:
- what is the point of jumping/eventing/polo/blah? This was just showmanship, proving training of certain moves, like dressage but without the hideous mouth torture.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *takes deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not a sweeping statement AT all HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
FfionWinnie said:
Watched a few seconds and agree. Made me feel really uncomfortable. The twisting it's head back to make it lie down is pure dominance and doing it while sitting on it?!

Putting pressure on a horse's organs while it's lying down cannot be good for it. I feel the same about people who sit on them when they are lying down. Very odd thing to do IMO.
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Agree. Uncomfortable to watch the horse snatch its head back to balance so can lie down!
 
paddy555 said:
If the hoof on the chest is dominance what is a man, with spurs, a whip and possibly quite a strong bit, riding a showjumper around a large indoor course of jumps at speed in a jump off?. That is both psychological as well as physical dominance. The horse hardly chooses to do that. No difference than this video. Nor in fact is anything people do with horses. For the most part the horse does it due to the dominance of the leader. I don't see anything particularly bad about the video in comparison to the other things horses are MADE to do.. In fact the horse is possibly in far less danger of getting hurt than if he was jumping, racing or even being transported in a vehicle.
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Completely agree with you.
 
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