BA to serve Halal only meals !

rubysmum said:
this is the kind of thread i should avoid like the plague, but i really cannot ignore some of the raving racism being expressed here.....
my muslim relatives - british citizens/british taxpayers/mostly working in education/social work & the NHS [ ie - contributing to the smooth running of this country] practise a religion which has specific dietary rules - as do many others - they can now eat safely in many places
christanity has no remaining dietary rules - so objections to halal meet can only be because
a] you object to the method of slaughter - do you also object to kosher slaughter methods?
b]you object to the practises of islam - in which case - how much do you know about Islam & what are you doing to promote other religious practises in britain
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Raving racsim oh please.. what part of objecting to cruelty is racist ?? its not racist to critisise religion as it isnt colour specific ...
 
Rubisymum - is Saudi Arabia a racist country then, should i be able to take a pint of larger, have a snog whilst shimmiying around in a mini skirt? - why dont we allow various types of cannabis to be smoked freeley as it is in Amsterdam etc- so is this denail racist?
Why should we allow bigamey, child brides, etc etc..... suppose we are really racist now... oh what about honour killiings and a bit of stoning?..... the ability to lend money without paying interest.... the arranged marridges of inoccents..... SORRY - forgot this is the UK2010- we accept all of this under the name of HUMAN RIGHTS - pity we are such a pathetic nation these days..... anyone else want to take us over? - wish i was German or French right now..... cant wait for us all to have to wear veils, obey Sharia law and generally give in to Mecca..... oh was i wrong.... was i supposed to have been born into a freedom of speech country????? - was i supposed to have rights in my own country.......? or that was a long ago dream....?

Do you want to start stoning us? banning alcohol? anything else from a christian country you quite wish to ban?...... oh and can i just apologise for me being an English Christinan in my own country !
 
I wouldn't worry. The term 'racist' is used wrongly all the time these days. If anything, it's racist against non Muslims as we are the ones potentially being forced to eat Halal if we choose meat based meals on airlines. And yes, we could could choose vegetarian, but why should we?????????????

The only thing people have been upset by on this post is the thought of being given no alternative to eating meat slaughtered by religious methods the majority of the UK population don't believe in. Methods that are not as humane as those normally used in the UK.

The googled definition:
Racism is when someone thinks different skin colour or religious beliefs make some people better than others.
Racists bully people who are different to them. They do this by name-calling or violence.

So from my understanding if Halal is made normal it's because SOME people think it's better? I see no name calling and no violence.

The very fact it's catered for in the UK, and millions of animals at that, how can the term racist be used??????????
 
CaveCanem said:
Hurrah! Just spoke to my dad. Agreed, if the slaughterman is sufficiently skilled then it is just as quick.
Bear in mind this is a man who has seen a lot of animals, of all shapes and sizes, die and has had the job of making sure everything is above board and correct.
His words: "If it's going to die, it's going to die and no one method is any nicer than another, if it's a bullet or a knife, as long as it is done quickly and properly."
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CC,

your dad's right. Given that the slaughterman is experienced, and importantly he has a deep rooted work ethic, abiding by the creed, then there is little difference.

The problem arises, I suspect, when the man doing the killing, has become so desensitised, by years of barbarity, that his conscience has left him.

And just to level the score, from another thread, isn't it strange how the Scots don't like the English, and the English don't like the Welsh?!! I'm sure that there's a good reason for it, but what ever it was, it was a couple of hundred years ago, and is now an irrelevance, though not for some, it seems!!

Alec.
 
I oppose the imposing of halal or kosher killed meat, without it being stated as such, on the population at large. That is not racist or anti-semetic, merely someone who believes that her beliefs and moral code have as much validity as those of others. I live in an area where the form of islam ensures that the animals for halal slaughter are NOT pre-stunned, because that is the intepretation of the Koran by the local Imams. I do not wish to have this method of slaughte rimposed on me by stealth, and again question the legallity of this, as the law allows halal and kosher slaughter for the religeous beliefs of the consumer. Surely if the consumers are not of the religeons which support this form of slaughter, then it is no longer legal?
 
I suppose the animal at the end of the day is killed just as quickly with the blade as the one at the start of the day.....?

All we want is all meat products, supermarkets, airlines, menus especially fast food joints to TELL us the method of slaughter... give us the choice - surely it will help folks whom stricly stick to Halal and Kosher meat too !
 
Gingerwitch said:
Why dont we all just lobby the fat cats and ask them to explain why we are being taken over a forigen race - are we not just celebrating the battle of britain - well i bet most of those poor lads are spinning in there graves - and at this rate we will all be wishing we had been invaded by the Germans - at least we knew whom we were fighting and at least we were able to fight back! It makes me sick to the core - the last 4/5 pariliments have THROWN this country away - they should be ashamed !
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That has to be THE most racist, bigoted post I have ever read on this forum.

Has it occurred to you to look at it a different way... it is the caterer who is considering implementing this. From a business POV that most likely means they are getting so many requests for Halal meat that it isn't financially viable to supply both. So, they have decided it is easier to supply just Halal. The answer is simple, order a veggie meal on a plane. These sorts of decisions are not made because every company out there is secretly run by someone with links to the Taliban. They are taken on a commercial basis and on what is financially viable.

But I'll stop talking sense now and leave you to your hysteria and the Daily Mail...
 
suzysparkle said:
I wouldn't worry. The term 'racist' is used wrongly all the time these days. If anything, it's racist against non Muslims as we are the ones potentially being forced to eat Halal if we choose meat based meals on airlines. And yes, we could could choose vegetarian, but why should we?????????????
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Can I ask *why* you would even want to eat the meat they currently serve on BA and other flights? It's utterly disgusting!
 
chestnut cob said:
That has to be THE most racist, bigoted post I have ever read on this forum.

Has it occurred to you to look at it a different way... it is the caterer who is considering implementing this. From a business POV that most likely means they are getting so many requests for Halal meat that it isn't financially viable to supply both. So, they have decided it is easier to supply just Halal. The answer is simple, order a veggie meal on a plane. These sorts of decisions are not made because every company out there is secretly run by someone with links to the Taliban. They are taken on a commercial basis and on what is financially viable.

But I'll stop talking tripe now and leave you to your hysteria and the Daily Mail...
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Add me to your list of racsists if you want I aggree with the other post and am also sick of this misguided apeasment of minortys... stuff them if they have to have halal to conform to there horrid religion let THEM have the vegie option ... simple fit in or ship out why do they come and live in a western country to escape oppression and poverty then try to turn the host county in to what they left behind...
 
Their horrid religion gave rights to woman when even the idea would have been unthinkable in the west.They also did not burn people at the stake because they were of the wrong religion, threaten small schoolchildren going to school (wrong branch of the religion) as in Northern Ireland, or plant bombs in Warrington.They did not build concentration camps.Halal slaughter, as Kosher slaughter, was an attempt to slaughter animals humanely.It was thought up thousands of years ago, prior to guns, stunning, abatoirs etc. when people lived alongside their animals and the facts of life and death were not so easily hidden from them.Remember the film of the Mongolian woman strangling and then stabbing to death a horse? Unthinkeable in halal or kosher slaughter.
 
perfect11s said:
Add me to your list of racsists if you want I aggree with the other post and am also sick of this misguided apeasment of minortys... stuff them if they have to have halal to conform to there horrid religion let THEM have the vegie option ... simple fit in or ship out why do they come and live in a western country to escape oppression and poverty then try to turn the host county in to what they left behind...
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I wonder how much notice we`d get if we asked for properly humanely stunned meat..in Saudi Arabia?? Surely it is a case of "when in Rome do as the Romans do" ?? And how can wishing for a quick humane method of destruction be racist? We are just so daft and accommadating in UK are`nt we..just roll over and give in rather than make a stand on humanity grounds!:mad:
 
Nothing humane about how halal and kosher were thought up - it was the only way - back in the midst of time and in very hot countries that the meat could be kept safe for eating i.e. it had to be bled out to stop infection occuring to the meat...... but unfortunalty time has moved on and we now have - freezers, cold storage, and more human methods of slaughter - this is what should be being used now....

also tell me - how do you not sever the spinal column of a chicken? - they must have very deft and small knives..... then how on earth do you slit the throat of a 600kg cow - must have huge muscles and a huge knife - oh and is the poor beast hung up by its legs prior to being killed or after .......?
 
eahotson said:
Their horrid religion gave rights to woman when even the idea would have been unthinkable in the west.They also did not burn people at the stake because they were of the wrong religion, threaten small schoolchildren going to school (wrong branch of the religion) as in Northern Ireland, or plant bombs in Warrington.They did not build concentration camps.Halal slaughter, as Kosher slaughter, was an attempt to slaughter animals humanely.It was thought up thousands of years ago, prior to guns, stunning, abatoirs etc. when people lived alongside their animals and the facts of life and death were not so easily hidden from them.Remember the film of the Mongolian woman strangling and then stabbing to death a horse? Unthinkeable in halal or kosher slaughter.
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rights to women!!!!!LOL.. like stoning to death for minor adultry and being second class citizens not being allowed education or to drive, the list is enless and other religions are the infidel and christans are persicuted attacked and killed in moslem countys and forced to convert and as for planting bombs in warrington not yet!!!but countless suicide bombs against there fellow citicens and two planes were flown into the twin towers which killed100s of inocent people in the name of islam and the london bombings and other atempts .... please....... its a barbaric religion stuck in the middle ages....
 
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I consider myself average BRITISH, now I may get shot down in flames here but...

I am fed up of numerous spineless ninnies that have forgotten that this country is a Christian country and most definately NOT a Muslim country. I am fed up of the so called minority faith dictating their rights for this that and the other. Surely places like BRITISH Airways, and KFC and our schools should remember they are based in Great Britain not some Muslim country. The muslim women are allowed to walk through our streets like black looking Darleks with only the slightest bit of eyes showing, they allowed into our banks, petrol stations etc totally concealed like this, yet can a British christian walk in with a motorbike helmet on, NO!!

Its about time this country remembered we are Great Britain, Christian faith and if the Muslims and other faiths don't like our laws and regulations and the BRITISH way of life then go **** off to a country that is governed and led by that faith.

We already have several major cities where the British white is the minority, for example Birmingham. There are definately now parts where you would be insane if you are white to go at night!

I don't mind other faiths living here, I couldn't give a monkeys what colour they are, just so long as they remember what country they are living in, we are a Christian state with a Queen that is the head of the Church of ENGLAND so abide by our way of life or Naf Off.

Its no wonder there is growing support for the BNP party, people want these politicians etc to stand up for our rights and not cave in and become a Muslim country.

I am British, C of E faith and I find this whole thing offensive yet I wouldn't be surprised if my reply is removed as it may be considered to cause offense to the minority faiths and that would be typical of what happens in GREAT BRITAIN today!!!!!!
 
zefragile said:
I came across something a while back, a study had been done which showed that halal/kosher slaughter could be more humane if done expertly. Something about massive drop in blood pressure resulting in rapid brain death. I'm sure it's out there if anyone wants to find it.
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Sometimes though there is a blood clot that comes from the actual cut that prevents the drop in blood pressure happening which delays brain death which delays unconciousness and goodness knows what else.
 
orton said:
I am fed up of numerous spineless ninnies that have forgotten that this country is a Christian country
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*******s. The people who I hear saying this can count on one hand the amount of times they've been to church (yes thats not an exact sign of belief but...) and are the most un Christian people I have met. Generally full of hatred, ignorance and intolerance.

Since you are so adament, I trust you are a good committed Christian, or at least have the pretence of regular Church going....
 
O.K then, as this is suposed to be about animal welfare.Was James Grey muslim? Is the long distance transport of horses in unspeakable conditions for slaughter happening in muslim countries?Battery farming anyone?Bull fighting? And I am only skimming the surface.I am sure animal cruelty does happen in Muslim countries but its certainly not exclusive to it.Oh and, just as a statement, I am white, British andculturally at least, Christian.My husband is a legal immigrant, an NHS doctor and Hindu.
 
EAST KENT said:
We are just so daft and accommadating in UK are`nt we..just roll over and give in rather than make a stand on humanity grounds!:mad:
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Making a stand on humanity grounds is one thing, but that isn't how this thread has turned out. I agree with you 100% about that - yes, make a stand because you feel Halal methods are inhumane. That's fine.

However, most on this thread having turned it into an excuse to bash people of a different religion and complain about "their" country being "taken over" by people from "foreign countries". There needs to be a distinction between the two discussions rather than the clouding of the issue, which is what is happening on this thread ATM.

Don't use this Halal meat on planes issue as a thin veil to voice intolerance towards other religions and cultures, which is what this thread has turned into. People are using it as an excuse to vent their spleens about Islam, Europe, and anyone who is different.

Religion is IMHO the root of all evil. Those of you who think Islam is evil, tell me do you think the Catholic church is any better? The latter is a religion which doesn't believe in contraception, women's rights, or that paedophile priests have committed a crime, "just a sin". Pretty much every war that has ever been fought on this planet has been caused because of religious zealousness and intolerance.
 
Gekko - if i were sat reading this post in Australia i would probably have your opinion, but then your government is pretty tough on imigration and so it should be, and certainly stands up for the rights of the Austrialians...the uk unfortunatly is a weak as a kitten with cat flu.

Oh we have not had "as a good Christian you should turn the other cheek" quote just yet but then again "an eye for an eye"

Can you also tell me why if England is an English speaking country - why do we waste millions of tax payers money on interpreters? why do we print all the government information of how to claim benefits etc in 142 different langauges?

Do as the Parisians do - if you cant ask for it in French - you get a blank stare and a garbled expression in French.

I am now asking every establishement i go into how the meat has been killed - and trust me the reactions have been extreamly interesting - try it - you may just find out that it fun !
 
Gingerwitch said:
I am now asking every establishement i go into how the meat has been killed - and trust me the reactions have been extreamly interesting - try it - you may just find out that it fun !
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This is interesting. When I eat out I'm more interested in how the animal LIVED. Is battery/intensively farmed meat OK as long as it wasn't Halal killed? :confused:

Also re Australia... I'm pretty sure every white Australian will be an immigrant, but hey ho...
 
zefragile said:
There were other religions around on this island before Christianity, I'd just like to point that out to some people :p:D
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I also think some people forgot that the Christian religion came from Islam... all religions are the same, at their roots. Jesus is a prophet in the Koran, the Christians just took it one step further. From what I know of religion, doesn't Judaism relate to the Old Testament only (please correct me if I'm wrong)? The OT is pretty barbaric if you read it!

Religion is simply a means with which to attempt to control the masses and was used in the past to explain things which man couldn't understand. We have science now so I can't see the use for religion personally. Unfortunately, there will be a few fundamentalists and fanatics in every religion but that doesn't make the majority who follow it bad. A little bit of tolerance would go a very long way. I don't believe in God and I'm not religious but I couldn't care less if others do.

As for comments on immigration and there being "places in Birmingham you daren't go if you are white"... do those of you making these comments believe you are 100% white British? And what is British anyway? Most of you will be descended from Saxons, Normans, Vikings.. all people who came here from *gasps* abroad... :0. A few of you on here are starting to sound rather like that neo-Nazi leader of the BNP (Nick someone?). As for "Great Britain"... I don't know a single Scottish or Welsh person who wants to be part of that... as far as they are concerned, it's England, Scotland and Wales.
 
We wouldn't have had a health service if it wasn't for the immigrants who staffed it.At my nursing training school, a few years ago admittedly, we had to recruit foreign nursing students as there weren't enough people of the right calibre locally born to keep our training school open otherwise.The foreign born doctors worked in the inner cities mostly where the nice white middle class Christians didn't want to go.
 
Look this post will always bring religion into it - the very fact that religion is used as a reason to kill animals in this manner cannot be seperated off.

~oh and isnt the caste system one of the most racist in the world.... so glad i am not an untouchable -
 
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