BA to serve Halal only meals !

ok after listening to farming today this morning........................did you lot know that all meat from new zealand is halal............................lamb .......................beef etc
 
hollyandivy123 said:
ok after listening to farming today this morning........................did you lot know that all meat from new zealand is halal............................lamb .......................beef etc
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Yes I heard that but im a little confused as the NZ guy said that every thing was stunned first!!! so will just saying a prayer do??? if so I dont see any problem with halal........
 
Personally, I'm totally happy eating any meat that has been raised well (not battery) and killed humanely. I will not eat kosher or halal.

Back to the original topic, as I said I work for BA. I've been on our work forums today, and it just says that Gate Gourmet is considering the option.

The problem for the airlines is that on quite a few flights over 70% of the passengers request special meals - usually kosher, muslim or hindu, and thats before the veggies. Its very expensive for them, so they are looking into cheaper methods. They are ruled by proffit. Personally I don't think that enough non- halal eating customers would ACTUALLY complain, so it will probably happen.
 
slinkyunicorn said:
I think you will find a lot of 'mass' catering companies already use halal for school meals etc etc It isn't widely publicised because at the end of the day it tastes no different but makes life easier for them in places where there is a high demand for halal. They only have to cook one dish and label the halal ones and everyones happy - simples.:)

Whether you like it or realise it you have probably been halal for years.:)
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Yup, Harrow, for example, even though the majority of the residents aren't actually Muslim, probably higher numbers of Jewish people live there.
 
orton said:
I consider myself average BRITISH, now I may get shot down in flames here but...

I am fed up of numerous spineless ninnies that have forgotten that this country is a Christian country and most definately NOT a Muslim country. I am fed up of the so called minority faith dictating their rights for this that and the other. Surely places like BRITISH Airways, and KFC and our schools should remember they are based in Great Britain not some Muslim country. The muslim women are allowed to walk through our streets like black looking Darleks with only the slightest bit of eyes showing, they allowed into our banks, petrol stations etc totally concealed like this, yet can a British christian walk in with a motorbike helmet on, NO!!

Its about time this country remembered we are Great Britain, Christian faith and if the Muslims and other faiths don't like our laws and regulations and the BRITISH way of life then go **** off to a country that is governed and led by that faith.

We already have several major cities where the British white is the minority, for example Birmingham. There are definately now parts where you would be insane if you are white to go at night!

I don't mind other faiths living here, I couldn't give a monkeys what colour they are, just so long as they remember what country they are living in, we are a Christian state with a Queen that is the head of the Church of ENGLAND so abide by our way of life or Naf Off.

Its no wonder there is growing support for the BNP party, people want these politicians etc to stand up for our rights and not cave in and become a Muslim country.
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Hear Hear!!
 
I have no problem with Moslems, Jews, Hindu's etc. coming into the country and contributing to society. None at all.
What I do have problems with are Sharia courts, the wearing of the Burka (security risk - how do you know who is under one!), and this country's government bending over backwards to inc-operate other religions when I have a hunch that if I as a Pagan went to an Islamic country and asked for the same I would get laughed at at the very least. I think it should be one rule for one and all regardless of what religion you are.
Who remembers the story about an airline worker being suspended for wearing a crucifix?

At the same time Christianity has a lot to answer for as well, Crusades, Protestant vs Catholic etc. I am 3/4 Irish and the idea that primary school children had to be escorted to school under the guard of riot police is sickening.
 
perfect11s said:
Yes I heard that but im a little confused as the NZ guy said that every thing was stunned first!!! so will just saying a prayer do??? if so I dont see any problem with halal........
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Sadly the hysteria *is* aimed at muslims again. As someone said earlier, dont let the facts get in the way. The facts are almost all halal animals in UK, many EU countries, NZ and Australia are stunned before killing. Jewish kosher method of killing does not stun before killing. Kosher slaughter is banned in NZ because Jewish community do not agree to have shechita done with pre-stunning, halal is not banned because pre-stunning is accepted by muslims.
 
Is it a Halal option, or Halal for everyone? For example, on Air Canada, you can get, regular, halal, vegetarian, kosher, suitable for diabetics, etc. if you request it when you buy your ticket. If you don't request anything special, you get the regular meal.
 
as i work at a school with almost 98% islamic students - many of my colleagues are also muslims - they were horified - albeit politely - when i mentioned hunting & taking my then 9 yr old daughter - they clearly found the practise barbaric - but didnt feel a need to comment on my level of education/my morality or right to live here - food for thought anyone?????
at least at the end of a halal slaughter you can eat what you've killed:)
 
martlin said:
Hello *waves* I am from a ''foreign country'', although I am white. Am I allowed an opinion?
I'll voice it anyway:
I think/believe that Halal (and Kosher) slaughter is wrong and would never eat meat slaughtered in this way. In fact, I refuse to sell my lambs to Muslims alive, I'm happy to supply meat, though - funny enough, they don't want meat :rolleyes:
I would not stand for my own livestock slaughtered in this way, even if Halal abattoir was available locally. As it is, the distance to the nearest Halal abattoir is, in my opinion too great to allow my animals to go there on welfare in transport grounds.

Call me racist or anti-Muslim if you want, but I simply object (be it very strongly) to the slaughter methods on welfare grounds.
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I won't call you anything, since I agree purely on welfare grounds. I think it's hilarious, though, that people think religion shouldn't be brought into this. It's chuffing religion dictating the halal slaughter process in the first place, and either people are conveniently hiding behind it or they actually believe it's humane. Either way, to me it's nothing short of barbaric, and excuse me if I feel that the people who follow this nonsense (whatever race, colour or creed they may be) are nothing more than as barbaric as the process itself.

For many years I haven't eaten takeaway/restuarant/supermarket meat, because I wised-up a long time ago, and stopped trusting the lack of information on it.

Why don't vets come and halal slaughter your horse if it's that quick and humane? Would you choose it over the gun or the injection and would you stay with your horse while it was done? Thought not...
 
brighteyes said:
I won't call you anything, since I agree purely on welfare grounds. I think it's hilarious, though, that people think religion shouldn't be brought into this. It's chuffing religion dictating the halal slaughter process in the first place, and either people are conveniently hiding behind it or they actually believe it's humane. Either way, to me it's nothing short of barbaric, and excuse me if I feel that the people who follow this nonsense (whatever race, colour or creed they may be) are nothing more than as barbaric as the process itself.

For many years I haven't eaten takeaway/restuarant/supermarket meat, because I wised-up a long time ago, and stopped trusting the lack of information on it.

Why don't vets come and halal slaughter your horse if it's that quick and humane? Would you choose it over the gun or the injection and would you stay with your horse while it was done? Thought not...
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Don't forget to say a little prayer because that makes it all alright then.
Did anyone hear the patronising justification for halal slaughter on the Jeremy Vine show?
 
Wow what a lot of racist and (just as annoying) ill-informed people here!

The Qur'an states that an animal must be ALIVE prior to slaughter. This can lead to difference in interpretation but; on the whole much of the Halal meat in the UK IS stunned prior to slaughter; as a stunned animal is technically alive. Indeed in 2004 (can't find anythign more recent) 90% of Halal meat was pre-stunned (Meat Hygiene Service.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/sep/20/halal-meat-the-truth is very interesting. On the subject of Kosher meat; Judaism in different in that it states animals must be UNINJURED which means there is never any pre-stunning.
 
If pre-stunning was the norm in halal slaughter I would not be worried about it, however as I stated earlier I live in a part of the country where the Imams forbid the pre-stunning of animals for slaughter. This is part of a cultural issue, as it is open to interpretation by the religeous leaders in the area. As far as I am aware no kosher meat is ever pre-stunned. The best answer is indeed to eat pork when eating out.
 
saturdaygirl said:
Wow what a lot of racist and (just as annoying) ill-informed people here!

The Qur'an states that an animal must be ALIVE prior to slaughter. This can lead to difference in interpretation but; on the whole much of the Halal meat in the UK IS stunned prior to slaughter; as a stunned animal is technically alive. Indeed in 2004 (can't find anythign more recent) 90% of Halal meat was pre-stunned (Meat Hygiene Service.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/sep/20/halal-meat-the-truth is very interesting. On the subject of Kosher meat; Judaism in different in that it states animals must be UNINJURED which means there is never any pre-stunning.
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Surely all animals are alive prior to slaughter, how the heck would you slaughter a dead one?
The Koran states that the animal must be healthy, which in some cases is interpretad as being fully consious, therefore not pre stunned, did some one mention ill-informed?
 
saturdaygirl said:
Wow what a lot of racist and (just as annoying) ill-informed people here!

The Qur'an states that an animal must be ALIVE prior to slaughter. This can lead to difference in interpretation but; on the whole much of the Halal meat in the UK IS stunned prior to slaughter; as a stunned animal is technically alive. Indeed in 2004 (can't find anythign more recent) 90% of Halal meat was pre-stunned (Meat Hygiene Service.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/sep/20/halal-meat-the-truth is very interesting. On the subject of Kosher meat; Judaism in different in that it states animals must be UNINJURED which means there is never any pre-stunning.
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how is it racist ...objecting to the babaric practices of a medeival religion...race is colour or origin
not some stupid belief ....my god's better than yours nonsense.....
 
more and more halal meat is pre stunned i am led to believe, but most farmers still dislike theidea of it, but whilst it is still law what can we do? how can they ban hunting and turn a blind eye to wholesale religious slaughter?
 
Islam is not in itself any more of a medieval religion than Christianity and Judiasm.They all come from the same root.The way its interpreted and used is frquently barbaric I agree BUT we used to burn people to death over differences in religion.People were put to death for simply wanting to read the bible in their own language.Inhumanity to women?? Look at the witch hunts!It wasn't that long ago.Look at the people in Northern Ireland screaming at young children simply for trying to get to a school and having to go through the wrong area.As for the slaughter of animals.Well cutting an animals throat doesn't sound nice, but neither does electrocuting or any of the other methods.The only people, in my opinion, who have a truly clear conscience are the vegans.
 
lauradean said:
Is it a Halal option, or Halal for everyone? For example, on Air Canada, you can get, regular, halal, vegetarian, kosher, suitable for diabetics, etc. if you request it when you buy your ticket. If you don't request anything special, you get the regular meal.
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Its the same on BA at the moment. There are various special meals that you can pre order, from veg to children's meals to kosher etc. If you don't request it you get a normal meal. The problem is, that on many routes there are far more special meals ordered. For instance I did an India a couple of weeks ago, with 120 economy passengers, and over 90 of them had ordered special meals. Another typical route that is like this is Israel. So the airline is coming to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to have them all special meals, and the non-special meals (current) to be ordered. The other factor is that the countries with the most ordered special meals are often the highest yeilding routes - India is one of the biggest growing economies...

Air Canada is likely to follow, as Canada is another route with an enormous number of special meals (due to many indian passengers).
 
mon said:
more and more halal meat is pre stunned i am led to believe, but most farmers still dislike theidea of it, but whilst it is still law what can we do? how can they ban hunting and turn a blind eye to wholesale religious slaughter?
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This is exactly my line of thought. Maybe when the government wanted to bring in the hunting ban the pros took the wrong approach. If they had said "God only lets us kill foxes with dogs but not shotguns", they'd have let it carry on. :confused: :confused:
 
If an animal is pre-stunned the slaughter method is no different than the UK one,after all it is the bleeding out that stops the heart function,not the stunning.
 
i haven't read every reply so apologies if i repeat anything!

when i go out to resturants or friends places i say i'm a veggie as it's easier to explain than going through the whole debate of me wanting to know where my meat comes from. i don't like the idea of slaughter at all, that's just me and i also accept that it happens..........my OH and kids all eat meat and love it!

on the side of people saying about muslim religion being this and that, what about Jehovah witnesses? they refuse life saving treatment on the grounds of their religion, they don't accept blood transfusions.
my son was in special care when he was born and half the staff were muslim, other half either catholic or christians. the main doctor looking after my son was a muslim and if it hadn't been her quick thinking then my son wouldn't be here now. so i have absolutely no problems sharing a country with ANY other religion/race.

what does get to me though is that there are alot of people who have come to this country to get away from things in their own country, whether it be way of life or something else, but most then try to turn this country into the one they have left, if their country was so useless/nasty/worthless then why try to replicate it over here.

if they really want to replicate their old way of life in a new country then what was the point in them leaving in the first place?
 
EAST KENT said:
If an animal is pre-stunned the slaughter method is no different than the UK one,after all it is the bleeding out that stops the heart function,not the stunning.
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Actually that is not strictly true. The best abbertoirs stun the animal, shoot it through the head with a bolt then hang it and slit the throat. The blood letting is to stop the meat spoiling, not to kill the animal. Some abertoirs also rode the bolt hole to ensure brain death.
 
Inky_and_Sunny said:
Actually that is not strictly true. The best abbertoirs stun the animal, shoot it through the head with a bolt then hang it and slit the throat. The blood letting is to stop the meat spoiling, not to kill the animal. Some abertoirs also rode the bolt hole to ensure brain death.
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But it is the bleeding out that kills,done for meat quality reasons as well,some of the F@M animals just shot did`nt die,sadly,very quickly..think the roding bit was the essential bit as well.
 
eahotson said:
Islam is not in itself any more of a medieval religion than Christianity and Judiasm.They all come from the same root.The way its interpreted and used is frquently barbaric I agree BUT we used to burn people to death over differences in religion.People were put to death for simply wanting to read the bible in their own language.Inhumanity to women?? Look at the witch hunts!It wasn't that long ago.Look at the people in Northern Ireland screaming at young children simply for trying to get to a school and having to go through the wrong area.As for the slaughter of animals.Well cutting an animals throat doesn't sound nice, but neither does electrocuting or any of the other methods.The only people, in my opinion, who have a truly clear conscience are the vegans.
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yes im not saying any religion is perfect far from it but at least christanty has moved on with the new testament where as the koran is the same old same old!! and is interpreted literally by far too many of its followers who never question or allow it to be reinterperated ...
 
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