BA to serve Halal only meals !

ucmeicu said:
Lets also not forget that all you women posting on here would have no rights whatsoever, not even be allowed out with a man on your own unless its your husband, you'd be stoned to death.
If you think there is no muslim threat to this country just remember demographics
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Eh??? What??? Eh????? Where on earth do these "facts" come from????? Afghanistan/Pakistan/Saudi are by no means the only Muslim countries on the planet and there is a disgusting amount of anti-islaam propaganga here in the West.

I've lived (and guess what.....worked :eek:) in a Muslim country as do many Western women. I loved it. Also (shock horror) the local arab ladies just about managed to hold jobs down too - and nobody raised a stone. :rolleyes:

Much as I agree with Martlin on Hitler being bought into every argument by the Brits, I have to say that two of the biggest nutters and mass murderers last century saw were anti-religious atheists who couldn't see or tolerate any other point of view. Between them, they decimated civilised Europe by appealing to the lowest common denomiminator in society and unleashing their stupidity on religious and ethnic minorities who neither had the numbers or the weapons to fight back.
 
Hitler was not an atheist. Stalin was :)

still, much misinformation on Islam/Muslims, as per normal. I am actually more afraid of Daily Mail readers taking over the country..god, they are even having a go at the colonies (;) ) and some of them have even had a go at the rest of the UK in other threads. culture of fear alive and well in England it would seem.
 
peteralfred said:
Hitler was not an atheist. Stalin was :)
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I stand corrected, point being though that they couldn't have raised a finger without some cooperation from the "people". I see that anti-semetism is alive and well here in continental Europe and usually hand-in-hand with anti-Islaam....er.....ists.

I stand to be corrected (again :p) but isn't it generally the more tolerant societies that tend to be the most prosperous, peaceful and long-lived?
 
I stand to be corrected (again :p) but isn't it generally the more tolerant societies that tend to be the most prosperous, peaceful and long-lived?[/QUOTE]

Not so sure on that one..is China or Japan super tolerant? They are both prosperous and on the rise though.
 
EAST KENT said:
Not so sure on that one..is China or Japan super tolerant? They are both prosperous and on the rise though.
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Communist China is a long way off proving itself to be in my (very important :D) list of long-lived civilisations. Also, they are becoming more open/tolerant as they realise the necessity to engage with other civilisations to grow and grab the natural resources of the world. Not that GB would have EVER stooped to such blatant exploitation ;)

Japan......well they've come on a fair bit in the last 50 years haven't they?
 
peteralfred said:
Hitler was not an atheist. Stalin was :)

still, much misinformation on Islam/Muslims, as per normal. I am actually more afraid of Daily Mail readers taking over the country..god, they are even having a go at the colonies (;) ) and some of them have even had a go at the rest of the UK in other threads. culture of fear alive and well in England it would seem.
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yet again shouting racist what a shame headless halal chickens giving the PC Islam is a gentle loveing religion and there is nothing to worry about tosh, however I am realy angry that Blair and Bush started stiring up the middle east, that the pricks had the stupid idea they could force our values and way of life on them they dont and will never want it they are different with a totaly different outlook
why would we want to try to change them?? we should live and let live and abide by their rules when in their countrys and we should expect the same in return when they live or work in the west, but now we have made them feel like victims so no wonder they attack the west and feel aggreved...www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI
 
Saucisson said:
I stand to be corrected (again :p) but isn't it generally the more tolerant societies that tend to be the most prosperous, peaceful and long-lived?
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this is an interesting thought. Here is list of 25 richest countries in the world and with the exeption of USA and Ireland, the rest are peaceful countries.

http://www.countryreports.org/compare/top25.aspx?c=GDPPerCapita

Looking at life span averages by country, the rich list seems to go hand in hand for some countries but I think there are other factors at play in others.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
 
EAST KENT said:
Not so sure on that one..is China or Japan super tolerant? They are both prosperous and on the rise though.
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China is not a prosperous country, nor could the Chinese be called a tolerant society. HK brought Chinas wealth up and was the gate way for trading with the west which has helped but there is still a great deal of poverty in China. Japan is an interesting country with some wealth and Japanese have become a tolerant society.
 
Saucisson said:
Not that GB would have EVER stooped to such blatant exploitation ;)
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Wow, I just quoted myself for the first time?!?!? I just want to add that this is NOT a slight on the British Empire which in the context of the time was perhaps one of the more tolerant imperialist powers. Although I can understand that some folks may argue against this.
 
Saucisson said:
:D

I know where you're coming from but those with a little bit of education are maybe more dangerous?
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Possibly....but their brain is more likely to be in the correct part of their anatomy for a greater proportion of the time? (hmmm.....having just typed that I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse??) :rolleyes::D
 
perfect11s said:
yet again shouting racist what a shame headless halal chickens giving the PC Islam is a gentle loveing religion and there is nothing to worry about tosh,
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I'm sorry but once you begin to write like an adult then I might be able to understand what you are trying to say. Of course, you are the one who hates Scotland because up here we spend all your taxes arent you?

anyway, I am anti-religion in general, I am an atheist and I am under no illusion about fundamentalists of any religion-Christian, Jewish or Scientologist or whatever.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Why dont we all just lobby the fat cats and ask them to explain why we are being taken over a forigen race - are we not just celebrating the battle of britain - well i bet most of those poor lads are spinning in there graves - and at this rate we will all be wishing we had been invaded by the Germans - at least we knew whom we were fighting and at least we were able to fight back! It makes me sick to the core - the last 4/5 pariliments have THROWN this country away - they should be ashamed !
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As a matter of fact many of the pilots who fought and died in the RAF during the BoB and later campaigns were not British.

The Polish squadrons who fought in the BoB did particularly well, but his hasn't stopped Nick Griffin used a Polish Spitfire as his campaign background when he was complaining about the immigrants from Eastern Europe).

In addition to pilots from the (then white) Commonwealth, 'coloured' pilots from India and the West Indies also flew in the BoB and subsequent campaigns.

The RAF's top-scoring squadron in the BoB was 92 Squadron: the East India Squadron; its aircraft paid for by the people of east India, and an Indian cobra formed part of its crest.

After WW2 the British film industry created the myth of the RAF pilots being a bunch of ex public school types. In fact, most of the British RAF pilots were state grammar school educated: the public schools favoured the army and navy over the technocratic and unfashionably 'modern' third service.
 
"East Kent", your ignorance is astounding!
I am not blindly accepting of government propaganda, as I said, I have previously skippered a ship involved in the live export trade. My experience is first hand. I KNOW the facts and have observed them first hand. The live export trade is a favorite target of animal libbers but as said, highly regulated, high standards and a lower mortality rate than just living in the paddock! Shocking!!!

Yes, crutching is a TERRIBLE practice! OMG.....lets tell people what crutching is!
Crutching is shearing the wool from around the sheeps tail, bum and back of the legs....sometimes they even shear the wool off the cheeks and forehead while they are at it! OMG...and they do this horrible cruelty a couple of times a year! OMG!!!!!!!! Keeps the wool out of their eyes and stops it collecting poop and pee round their back end to help avoid flystrike. I crutched our small flock yesterday as with spring, flys are starting to get active. OF COURSE, after I shore some wool off these sheep I was drenched in blood and went on to drown puppies, kick kittens and steal candy from babies....

Now if you were not just a puppet bleating out rubbish regurgitated from bunny hugger propaganda you would probably realise that what you were TRYING to have a bitch about was muelsing!

Folks, muelsing DOES look cruel to those who don't understand the process and reason for it, and the alternative for the animals... It involves removing a small area of skin from each butt cheek of young merino lambs, and a bit off the sides of the tail. The skin is sliced off with razor sharp shears and the area is immediately sprayed with a local anethetic/antiseptic that acts on the open areas. This is done at the same time as the lambs are vacinated, ear tagged and tails removed, boys nuts banded etc... within seconds of being done they are grazing again...they show very little distress....they may bleat while it's done but 30 seconds later don't care.
The reason it is done is that Merino sheep have lots of excess skin wrinkles round their bum...these wrinkles provide egg laying areas for Sheep Blowfly. If a sheep is "flystruck" the maggots esentially eat the sheep alive! a slow and painfull death. Crutching helps, but it's not enough with Merrinos.... So the alternative is a quick surgical proceedure as a lamb and reduced risk all their life or a very high chance of dying a painful death by Flystrike.
You have to be accredited to muelse, must use the pain relief etc... The industry is spending millions to develop alternatives, but as yet none are really viable on a large scale. Their are also attempts to breed smooth breeched Merrinos resistant to the problem.

You can choose to believe PETA and the wackjobs who require outrage to ensure donations, or you can believe the facts. You will note that the groups who protest, never mention the results or suggest viable alternatives...
 
it is amazing how people whu dont do/understand shout loudest i have personally sheared 300 ewes cruched 600 sheep and sort lambs for slauhterhouse as a female in farming i dont believe in creulity
 
No farmer with a clue believes in cruelty! A happy sheep/com/pig grows faster and produces better quality meat/more offspring, hence more $! You will actually find those of us who produce livestock are true animal lovers (just a little more realistic than some) and do this because we love it, hell I can tell you now, you CAN'T be in it for the money! There ISN'T any! LOL
 
Oh I do so humbley apologise to have used the wrong word Gekko.For the rest of you,google" mulesing" and judge fopr yourselves.Small piece of skin,sides of the tail..not from what I`ve seen.
In this country we would put someone in jail for cruelty like that,believe me.It would be more to the point if a breed of sheep was used that did`nt have all those skin folds would it not?Bit of time and intelligent breeding would sort that one out,but it is of course easier to just hack off the bits that are a nuisance eh?
Seems someone:rolleyes:on here has become rather hardened to animal suffering,which does not make it right and remans indefenceable to an awful lot of the rest of us.

And whooppeedoo..Oz now bans docking two day old puppy tails...talk about anomalies.
 
So what sheep do YOU suggest are used to produce fine grade wool ? (Hint...nothing comes close to Merrino) and just what sheep will do well in "station country" (hint...your British breeds won't cut it)...

Did you not read the line about developing bare breech merrinos???? It does not happen overnight..it's been an ongoing thing for years now... remember, it wasn't a concern during development of the breed...muelsing has always been considered the reasonable option.. and the same process will be continued for the most part.. just instead of it being done surgicly in a few seconds, plastic clips will cause the areas of skin to die and fall off over weeks or chemicals will kill the area of skin leading to the same thing...and these are the methods ACCEPTABLE to the bunny huggers!! Cos they don't look nasty and theres no vissible wound! Not that it's less painfull or kinder, but that it LOOKS that way!

Your failure to even use the correct word says a lot about your knowledge of what really goes on and why. How about living in the real world where animals don't wear clothes and speak with nice midwest accents! Not everything about animal husbandry is nice.. tails need to come off lambs, most males need to lose bits and sometimes bits DO have to come off for the sake of an animals long term health and safety.

Oh...and just a tip, not all states have banned dog tail docking in all cases... But then again, youre not big on facts or accuracy are you....
 
Gekko,

Answering questions is one thing, but attempting to correct the ill informed, tends to be a pointless exercise. You can't put it, where it wont go!

Alec.

Ets, I forgot to mention, we don't do blunt, even if you are right!! a.
 
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Well you have been a busy little gekko have`nt you!Goodness ..skippered a sheep ship..killed horses via their rectum..slicing off lamb butts,a real animal lover we have here.Just google "mulesing" folks.:D:D:D:D Your address suits you.:rolleyes:
 
Oh yes..and while you are on google ..try "sheep ships",the facts are a tad different to the stuff we are being told on here. Ain`t quite the Hilton for sheep someone on here says,mortality is in one year 39,000..seven times the rate of "paddock " deaths. The ships hold 70,000 plus sheep,with one vet on each..but go ahead read it for yourselves.As for halal,if it is so "humane" why then are you not happy for your horses/pets to be killed in this fashion?
 
moot point East Knt as exsanguination isnt an option for 'pets'. I really think the only reason for your presence here is to irritate quite frankly. rather mulesling than fly strike.

Gekko, I wouldnt bother, idiots like this are bad for the blood pressure and really, they are just winding you up-don't let them!
 
Note the interesting line "mortality is in ONE YEAR 39,000" ...your care to quote the firgues for EACH year and the total number of sheep transported in those years.... lets not distort the REAL facts....

Several years ago there was a shipment that suffered a considerable mortality due to a lot of stupidity and a bunch of factors coinciding to make a perfect storm of conditions.. That lead to many of the rules and regulations in place now. There has not been a repeat occurence.

Many single holdings in Australia have well in excess of 70,000 sheep! and there are very few vets in rural Australia! The vet is onboard to monitor health, they don't have full days of sheep cosmetic surgery booked in.....

You would be very supprised what I've done and what many and varried qualifications I hold... Master Mariner is only one from my past.... I have a collection of degrees and bits of paper enough to account for the paper production of a small country...and the real world experience to put them in context... not my fault I enjoy learning!
 
peteralfred said:
moot point East Knt as exsanguination isnt an option for 'pets'. I really think the only reason for your presence here is to irritate quite frankly. rather mulesling than fly strike.

Gekko, I wouldnt bother, idiots like this are bad for the blood pressure and really, they are just winding you up-don't let them!
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Not at all,actually just concerned about blatant animal cruelty,if you want the unadulterated facts just google the subject.That,and having friends in Oz,one of whom works here now, but qualified as a vet at Queensland..so many more with first hand information ..I just cannot condone animal cruelty,be it domestic or farm animals.If you can..so be it..but I can not.
Fact is ,although things are not by any means perfect for farm animals here,they are way better than the sheep industry down under.There would be successful prosecutions for the every day stuff sheep suffer in Oz ,if it were here in UK.

There are better ways to prevent strike,but basically it costs more and is too much trouble.I do so hope that the breeding trials end result is a sheep better adapted to the conditions it is made live in. Personally though I will not touch any sheep products out of Australia.
 
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