Baileys No.4 and Baileys Race horse cubes are the same!!???

Does the racehorse cubes have the same level of ingredients in it? As in same sugar levels etc? I've been feeding number 4 to my lean 6 year old Arab x and he's been fine on it, putting weight on and not too fizzy. Don't want to change to racehorse cubes and then find its got a lot more sugar in it to fizz him up?
 
chotty said:
Does the racehorse cubes have the same level of ingredients in it? As in same sugar levels etc? I've been feeding number 4 to my lean 6 year old Arab x and he's been fine on it, putting weight on and not too fizzy. Don't want to change to racehorse cubes and then find its got a lot more sugar in it to fizz him up?
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Yes. The only difference is that No11 is 0.5% higher in Protein. The only other nutritional difference is that No11 is balanced, whereas No4 isn't.
If you go on Baileys and look up to 2 feeds, on the Composition section they are word for word the same!
 
chotty said:
Does the racehorse cubes have the same level of ingredients in it? As in same sugar levels etc? I've been feeding number 4 to my lean 6 year old Arab x and he's been fine on it, putting weight on and not too fizzy. Don't want to change to racehorse cubes and then find its got a lot more sugar in it to fizz him up?
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I've checked all the ingredients and amounts!! The only difference i found is that the no.4 has 12% protein and the race horse cubes have 12.5% protein! The race cubes are also packed with more vitamins....and the other difference is of course the lower price lol. X
 
mad horse 3010 said:
Yes. The only difference is that No11 is 0.5% higher in Protein. The only other nutritional difference is that No11 is balanced, whereas No4 isn't.
If you go on Baileys and look up to 2 feeds, on the Composition section they are word for word the same!
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Because the race cubes are balanced...does this mean I will no longer have to pay out for the baileys outshine too!? X
 
Why on earth was this thread not started last week? :rolleyes:;) Just swapped onto topline cubes! grrrr cheeky Bailey's, next time it will be the no.11!!!!
 
ellie11987 said:
Why on earth was this thread not started last week? :rolleyes:;) Just swapped onto topline cubes! grrrr cheeky Bailey's, next time it will be the no.11!!!!
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I've got a massive 17.2 poor condition tb who's getting through a bag at £13 in 6.5 days!! It's brill stuff but I've ordered these from feed shop.....£9/£10 a bag! Thanks Baileys....you naughty monkeys!
 
Just to add.
I feed pyre conditioning cubes to my tb.
He needed more condition and is very fussy.
I have to feed the correct amount for it to work, so I get thought bag a week.
Its between £12-14 a bag depending how many I buy at a time!
 
If things are still the same in feed - there's a little label included in the bag stitching - that's what you need to read as it's the actually energy analysis of what's in it. However, when you're dealing with a mixture - even though the label might read :- guaranteed so much % protein etc., you've no idea what that protein is ( or was! ). Folk aren't too fussy what goes in human food so you pays your money and takes yer chance with animal grub.

Popped back to say that a lot of this Super Go cubes etc., is just the same as petrol marketting - it's petrol for godssake - 95 octane goes bang and makes the engine run, good enough.
 
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Smartie is correct, no 4 is a complete feed. Outshine is a high oil additive to help put calories in the feed without massive amounts of bulk.
And for those saying you should change as a bag is only lasting a week. On a standard cube/mix you should be feeding approximatly 3-4 kilos a day to a 500kg horse, so a bag should only last about a week.
If you feed under these levels you are not giving the correct amounts of vits & mins, therefor most companies would recommend a balancer.
 
Just a few points I'd like to make on this thread, particularly with regard to comparing feedstuffs:

- It is quite likely that the Baileys Topline Cubes and Racehorse Cubes are very similar in composition, as I have heard it elsewhere before and never heard it denied by Baileys.

- However, you cannot just look at the ingredients list on two bags of feed and assume the feeds will do the same job just because the ingredients are the same. The point is that the whilst the ingredients may be the same, the PROPORTION of ingredients may be very different. For example, a balancer and horse/pony cubes may have very similar ingredients, but in the balancer the proportion of soya and vit/mins is likely to be much higher, allowing it to be fed in much smaller amounts.

- Ingredients are usually listed in order of quantities of inclusion - so if the main ingredient is micronised wheat that will be listed first. So if the ingredients of a feed are all the same AND are listed in the same order, then the feeds are more likely to be similar, but this still cannot be guaranteed.

- As an example, lets take an example feed that for simplicity's sake has three ingredients - wheat, grassmeal and soya, which are listed on the ingredients list in that order. In 1kg of feed there could, say, be 700kg wheat, 200g grass meal and 100g soya. Or there could be 500g wheat, 300g grass meal and 200g soya. The ingredients would still be in the same order on the ingredients list, but the amount of wheat (and therefore starch) in the first feed would be significantly higher.

- You can also look at the nutritional analysis of the feed. Most manufacturers tend to list Digestible Energy (calorie count), protein, fibre and oil. Some more enlightened ones also list the sugar/starch content of the feed. If the ingredients of two feeds are the same, and they are listed in the same order, and the nutritional analysis is very similar, then it is more likely that the feeds are very similar in effect. However, if the starch/sugar content is not listed then it would be wise to check with the manufacturer before switching feeds, if that content is important to you. For example, Baileys don't list the starch content of the Racehorse Cubes and Topline Cubes, so if you were looking to switch then I would contact Baileys and ask for the starch content for both feeds.

Hope that clarifies things a bit!
 
A few other random points:

- It is quite normal for big, hardworking horses, or those in poor condition, to go through a sack of feed a week, as they have high calorie requirements and often a limited appetite for hay. If a horse is eating a 20kg sack a week it is less than 3kg a day which is not excessive for a big horse.

- As for Bailey's No 4 not being balanced, I'm not sure where this came from and whether it was a misunderstanding, as Topline Cubes are marketed as a 'fully balanced conditioning feed'. However, it is possible that it might be advised that a balancer be fed alongside to provide a probiotic, which can help with condition. It is also possible that a balancer was suggested if the full amount of Topline Cubes was being fed for some reason. (Another option is that the poster is confusing Baileys Topline Cubes with TopSpec Cool Conditions Cubes, which DO require a balancer to be fed alongside them).

- As another poster has said, Outshine isn't a balancer in the accepted sense of the word (in that a balancer will normally provide broad spectrum vit/mins, protein and a probiotic yeast). Outshine is a concentrated high oil supplement which provides a very dense form of extra calories and the vit/min supplementation in it is not broad spectrum, but only those vit/mins that the horse needs to deal with the high oil level. If the horse needs the extra calorie level of the Outshine as well as Topline Cubes then it will still need the Outshine if switched to the Racehorse Cubes. However, there are other alternatives to Outshine - micronised linseed, for example, or other commercial high oil supplements. When comparing high oil supplements do look at the calorie content (expressed as MJDE/kg). For example, Build and Glow has only 15 MJDE/kg whilst Outshine has 24 MJDE/kg, so you need to do your sums carefully to work out which is cost effective. If it really is half the price then it will still work out cheaper, but you will have to feed more of it if you wish to have the same calorie level achieved with the Outshine.
 
I know this is an old thread now, but my local feed place only has the dodson and horrell racehorse cubes, can someone tell me if they think these are comparable to the baileys 11/no.4?

It says

Nutrient Analysis

Est. Digestible Energy 13.0 MJ/Kg
Protein 14.0%
Oil 3.9%
Fibre 7.0%
Ash 8.0%
Vitamin A 16,800 iu/kg
Vitamin D3 1,800 iu/kg
Vitamin E 400 mg/kg

Just want to be sure there are no hidden differences before I buy!
 
Definitely a higher protein level that 4/11
11
DIGESTIBLE ENERGY 13.5MJ/kg
PROTEIN 12.5%
OIL 5.5%
FIBRE 9%
ASH 6%
CALCIUM 0.9%
PHOSPHORUS 0.5%
 
I'm getting through a load of No 4 at the moment as the grass is so poor and even with upped haylage amounts the No 4 seems to be helping with keeping the weight on her. Anyone able to report back who has successfully swopped from No 4 to No 11?
 
Billabongchick said:
I'm getting through a load of No 4 at the moment as the grass is so poor and even with upped haylage amounts the No 4 seems to be helping with keeping the weight on her. Anyone able to report back who has successfully swopped from No 4 to No 11?
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Would also be interested to hear. Was thinking of making the switch but want to make sure my horse won't go nuts!!
 
Embo said:
Would also be interested to hear. Was thinking of making the switch but want to make sure my horse won't go nuts!!
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I haven't done it but mainly because my feed store don't stock no.11 and I am far too disorganised to pre-order but from what I understand they are pretty much the exact same thing just a different bag. When I first looked into it last year there were quite a few people who had made the change with no difference at all
 
I asked today as needed to stock up and they didn't have no 11 in stock either. They said they would ask Baileys rep next time about content vs content as they seemed the same but the price was only about a quid and a bit difference from no 4 so prob not worth the hassle of having to order unless the extra mineral content sways the argument!
 
If you go on the baileys site and look at the values of energy, starch etc they are pretty aligned. If I was feeding no 4 which I have in the past and the horse was responding to it appropriately I would give the racehorse cubes a try. They are not exactly the same but will IMO produce similar results.

I would be surprised if any horse went nuts on them as it were, if they are fine on no4 but each animal is different.

But for the sake of a few quid saving (it all adds up) for those who are feeding a lot. I would give it a go introducing it slowly over the course of a week and radially reducing no4. Any behaviour changes for the bad, I'd be right back on no4.
 
ponydi, did you swop gradually as you would with normal feed changes or just swop straight onto it seeing as they seem to be exactly the same pretty much?
 
I don't understand why anyone feeds these expensive branded foods. Own brand horse and pony cubes at my local Farm Supplies shop are £6.25 for 20kg They are made by a big horse food manufacturer. They are fully vitamin and mineral balanced and require no supplements unless your horse needs something special. And you can turn them into 'conditioning cubes' by adding 50 -100ml of supermarket oil to every kilo you feed for another 5-10p a kilo.
 
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