Forget_Me_Not
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What were tail bandages invented for... Tying up naughty or young horses!! Bandage streches but doesn't break thus no loose horse thats learnt to break free. Happy ending : )
Baler twine loops = new idea?
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rara007
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I think WATO doesn't agree with tieing to baler twine, The teacher told me they don't anyway, due to it breaking, and this risk of cutting your finger off when it is twisted (Honestly, she said that) Driving people all advise tying to the ring, not twine which I found strange, but I guess it works. Where we tie up isn't ideal, as it is right by where the top door of the stable latches back, so it worries me they might hit their head. We are having a rail put in, and then just the one or two who insist on fidgeting will get a lesson. The only one who panics and gets away I won't, as bless him, he really is on edge and can't cope with anything, and from previous experience of him getting his head collar caught, he will panic untill somthing breaks.
Maesfen
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I don't use twine at all but I never tie up outside unless I am doing something to the horse and I will never leave anything tied up and walk too far away; the only exception would be the old hunter all tacked up and ready to go waiting for the owner to collect him; if I hadn't tied him up he'd have taken great delight in rolling even with tack on!.
Battyoldbint
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i use a tie that has velcro and then a trailer tie
catembi
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Does the BHS really advise baler twine? I'd always assumed that it was ordinary twine as in gardening twine.... the stuff that looks like hairy string. It's made of.... not sure really, but it isn't nylon and therefore would break more easily.
Cuffey
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No matter how careful we are horses will always surprise us.
There are frequent posts on here of ''close shaves'' with disaster often posted so others can learn from them.
Everything from legs over bars in trailers or coming out of the grooms door to feet stuck in hay nets whch dont break.
I could list a mile long after a lifetime of horse keeping and helping others
As a child my friend's pony hung itself on a fence--I never turn out in a headcollar because of that.
My neighbours young TB went away to be backed at a stud working with youngsters every day, was tied up for grooming--walked backwards, got a surprise, shot forwards and knocked itself out cold--result lost an eye.
The stud my sons first pony came from tied ponies to an immovable object--a railway sleeper fence and left them to work it out. That particular stud worked on the principle that if a pony threw itself on the floor or tried to kill itself it was never going to be a childs pony anyway.
I tie to thin baler twine with the knot very close to the ends of the loop--if something spooks them--a sharp tug usually shoots the knot off the end, pony is very good at untying himself when he sees the hosepipe or clippers coming.
I remember doing some research on tensile strength of baler twine and the polypropylene 'string' used now is many times stronger than the original sisal twine used when the fashion started of tying up to a loop. It is no longer breakable unless split.
There are frequent posts on here of ''close shaves'' with disaster often posted so others can learn from them.
Everything from legs over bars in trailers or coming out of the grooms door to feet stuck in hay nets whch dont break.
I could list a mile long after a lifetime of horse keeping and helping others
As a child my friend's pony hung itself on a fence--I never turn out in a headcollar because of that.
My neighbours young TB went away to be backed at a stud working with youngsters every day, was tied up for grooming--walked backwards, got a surprise, shot forwards and knocked itself out cold--result lost an eye.
The stud my sons first pony came from tied ponies to an immovable object--a railway sleeper fence and left them to work it out. That particular stud worked on the principle that if a pony threw itself on the floor or tried to kill itself it was never going to be a childs pony anyway.
I tie to thin baler twine with the knot very close to the ends of the loop--if something spooks them--a sharp tug usually shoots the knot off the end, pony is very good at untying himself when he sees the hosepipe or clippers coming.
I remember doing some research on tensile strength of baler twine and the polypropylene 'string' used now is many times stronger than the original sisal twine used when the fashion started of tying up to a loop. It is no longer breakable unless split.
Storminateacup
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I alway tie any horse I have owned to thinned baler twine, and that baler twine tied on to a cemented in post or a ring on a brick wall. The lead rope also has a quick release clip. I
also never tie up a horse on a yard with an open gate, or access (if it does escape) to anywhere dangerous, road, machinery etc.
If its a younger horse, or an unknown quantity. then it has an old leather headcollar on.
I am amazed the number of people I have know who have tied young horses to gates and unsecure items with dire concequences. I think many people haven't the vaguest idea how strong a horse is, even a dainty TB.
I know I felt the power of a 17.1hh ID/TB when he bolted with me attached to a lunge line and busted my pelvis with the force of a head on car crash at 50 mph.
I think its a great idea to tie a young horse to something so secure that they cannot get away, in a safe, controlled experience, but I would want this demonstrated by an expert before I risked it with my new yearling.
I still tie my safe old cobby to baler twine 'cos even he can have his moments of panic.
also never tie up a horse on a yard with an open gate, or access (if it does escape) to anywhere dangerous, road, machinery etc.
If its a younger horse, or an unknown quantity. then it has an old leather headcollar on.
I am amazed the number of people I have know who have tied young horses to gates and unsecure items with dire concequences. I think many people haven't the vaguest idea how strong a horse is, even a dainty TB.
I know I felt the power of a 17.1hh ID/TB when he bolted with me attached to a lunge line and busted my pelvis with the force of a head on car crash at 50 mph.
I think its a great idea to tie a young horse to something so secure that they cannot get away, in a safe, controlled experience, but I would want this demonstrated by an expert before I risked it with my new yearling.
I still tie my safe old cobby to baler twine 'cos even he can have his moments of panic.
PapaFrita
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Horses in Argentina are NEVER tied to twine. Always straight onto the ring, or a tree, or whatever. I've not witnessed any awful accidents (this is, in itself, a surprise at my yard!) as clips/ropes always break. Horses are tacked up in cross-ties, but in practice the headcollar hangs in front of them, preventing them from walking off, whilst they're actually loose.
hussar
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I never tie to baler twine. On the yard I tie directly to a tie-ring; if we're at an event and the potential for scary things is greater, I use cable ties that will break under sudden force. I tried the elasticated ties but my horse soon learned that by simply leaning hard on them, not pulling back, he could get free.
When I was a child, lead ropes were often passed through the tie rings and knotted through small blocks of wood, which moved up and down as the horse moved around and meant that the rope always had slight tension on it (so no chance of getting caught round a leg). I can't remember a horse ever running back and panicking for more than a couple of seconds before they realised they weren't getting anywhere.
When I was a child, lead ropes were often passed through the tie rings and knotted through small blocks of wood, which moved up and down as the horse moved around and meant that the rope always had slight tension on it (so no chance of getting caught round a leg). I can't remember a horse ever running back and panicking for more than a couple of seconds before they realised they weren't getting anywhere.
millitiger
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i use a baler twine loop but only tie onto half width of the twine so it breaks easily.
my youngsters are taught to tie up with a lunge line through the ring and me on the other end so they never get free but do not feel claustrophobic enough to really panic.
my youngsters are taught to tie up with a lunge line through the ring and me on the other end so they never get free but do not feel claustrophobic enough to really panic.
madhector
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I remember being told by a very well respected vet that there is a small bone somewhere in the head (cant remember where exactly) that is broken by having a horse pull back and not release. She said it was very rare to find one that was intact and that allowing a horse to pull back and stuggle until it gives in is a sure way of breaking it!
Therefore I always tie to athin bit of baler twine, and teach my horses to tie up correctly from the start. Never had any problems with horses breaking away, except in panic in which case thats the correct outcome!
Therefore I always tie to athin bit of baler twine, and teach my horses to tie up correctly from the start. Never had any problems with horses breaking away, except in panic in which case thats the correct outcome!
ISHmad
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Therefore I always tie to athin bit of baler twine, and teach my horses to tie up correctly from the start. Never had any problems with horses breaking away, except in panic in which case thats the correct outcome!
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Same as you, except that we use the Equities. Because they've been taught to stand nicely and give to pressure we never had a situation where they've kept pulling away to break the Equities.
Therefore I always tie to athin bit of baler twine, and teach my horses to tie up correctly from the start. Never had any problems with horses breaking away, except in panic in which case thats the correct outcome!
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Same as you, except that we use the Equities. Because they've been taught to stand nicely and give to pressure we never had a situation where they've kept pulling away to break the Equities.
dieseldog
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I shut gates etc too on the rare occasion I do tie up outside my stable.
At show's I'll stick to twine as theres no telling where he could end up should he manage to pull back or whatever.
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In your Avatar your horse is tied to his haynet. Is the haynet tied to the ring or twine?
I shut gates etc too on the rare occasion I do tie up outside my stable.
At show's I'll stick to twine as theres no telling where he could end up should he manage to pull back or whatever.
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In your Avatar your horse is tied to his haynet. Is the haynet tied to the ring or twine?
Ali2
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I tie mostly to twine cos it there but directly to the ring in the trailer or stable. My lead rope has a quick release velcro bit in it. My horse stands well and on the odd occassion that he has had a genuine panic he's broken free from the velcro not the twine.
Rouletterose
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My horses are only ever tied up in their stables...to be groomed, tacked up etc etc..they are tied to 1/2 thinned baler twine on the ring on the wall, they don't slip cos the shavings bed is deep and covers the whole box. I never tie up out on the yard unless it's for the farrier and I stand with them the whole time.
My horses were taught to tie, with pressure/release halters(not the ones that go tighter on the nose) so they may pull back a little on occasion, but then remember.... and move forward again, although they now are in normal leather headcollars. I have always done this with mine and hope that things are always ok, their is always going to be the one time the horse panics and just keeps pulling......they're not human beings.
My horses were taught to tie, with pressure/release halters(not the ones that go tighter on the nose) so they may pull back a little on occasion, but then remember.... and move forward again, although they now are in normal leather headcollars. I have always done this with mine and hope that things are always ok, their is always going to be the one time the horse panics and just keeps pulling......they're not human beings.
horsegirl
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Tickles, I rarely tie up at all. I do use baler twine loops but on the rare occasions the horses are connected to them they are on a quick release knot and I never leave their sides - I just happen to need two hands free to do whatever I am doing. I tack up loose in the stable, groom loose in the stable - you get the picture.
Baler twine is a often forgotten recipe for disaster - not that I am suggesting for one minute that this happened on this sad occasion - but the number of people who tie up their horses and then just walk away from them horrifies me. I found one tied to a loose loop of baler twine that was in turn wrapped around a telegraph pole at foot level the other day - the potential for injury was enormous. This wasn't some pikey pony at the side of the road either - it was a numpty at my yard.
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There is a woman at my yard who ties up her horse, often fully tacked up, for hours while she does other things. I have even seen her go out for a hack on another horse leaving the horse tied in the yard
Tickles, I rarely tie up at all. I do use baler twine loops but on the rare occasions the horses are connected to them they are on a quick release knot and I never leave their sides - I just happen to need two hands free to do whatever I am doing. I tack up loose in the stable, groom loose in the stable - you get the picture.
Baler twine is a often forgotten recipe for disaster - not that I am suggesting for one minute that this happened on this sad occasion - but the number of people who tie up their horses and then just walk away from them horrifies me. I found one tied to a loose loop of baler twine that was in turn wrapped around a telegraph pole at foot level the other day - the potential for injury was enormous. This wasn't some pikey pony at the side of the road either - it was a numpty at my yard.
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There is a woman at my yard who ties up her horse, often fully tacked up, for hours while she does other things. I have even seen her go out for a hack on another horse leaving the horse tied in the yard
MontyandZoom
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I'm sure that people will give me hundreds of examples.......but I have never witnessed the baler twine not breaking when a horse REALLY wants to get away.
Agree with the poster who said that people don't realise how strong horses are. My friend's mare is only a 15.1 tb and she was tied to a metal loop in a fence post and she proceeded to rip the whole fence down. It chased her down the road and she ran for miles. She was hit by a car but luckily not too badly injured.
My horse is so bloody daft he would kill himself for sure if tied to an immovable object. I also have to say that Monty does break free when spooked so knows he can break the twine but still stands nicely most of the time so I don't think it's true that horses need to panic and chuck themselves on the floor to learn how to be tied.
Agree with the poster who said that people don't realise how strong horses are. My friend's mare is only a 15.1 tb and she was tied to a metal loop in a fence post and she proceeded to rip the whole fence down. It chased her down the road and she ran for miles. She was hit by a car but luckily not too badly injured.
My horse is so bloody daft he would kill himself for sure if tied to an immovable object. I also have to say that Monty does break free when spooked so knows he can break the twine but still stands nicely most of the time so I don't think it's true that horses need to panic and chuck themselves on the floor to learn how to be tied.
flyingfeet
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English riders are so amusing
Horse ought to be able to be tied up for hours without panicking or trying to kill themselves. Show cattle can manage it, so no reason why our equine friends cannot learn either. Think of polo ponies at matches, they are tied up and its only the ones that are poorly trained that break away.
My babies are always tied up to something very solid with rope halters and leads with no breakable hardware in them. They learn that they cannot break away. Although I disagree with leaving them tied up for hours, they are tied up whilst things are going on to learn about yard life.
With the older horses I tend to use twine, but either single thickness large bale twine or doubled up small baler twine. The main reason is my knots don't have to be quite so good.
The other thing i teach is to be tied up around their necks, which is extremely handy for plaiting, clipping, tacking up and washing.
I think a lot of basic groundwork is missing in many horses educations. I can also open the doors to my stables and the boys will only walk out (loose) once called.
Horse ought to be able to be tied up for hours without panicking or trying to kill themselves. Show cattle can manage it, so no reason why our equine friends cannot learn either. Think of polo ponies at matches, they are tied up and its only the ones that are poorly trained that break away.
My babies are always tied up to something very solid with rope halters and leads with no breakable hardware in them. They learn that they cannot break away. Although I disagree with leaving them tied up for hours, they are tied up whilst things are going on to learn about yard life.
With the older horses I tend to use twine, but either single thickness large bale twine or doubled up small baler twine. The main reason is my knots don't have to be quite so good.
The other thing i teach is to be tied up around their necks, which is extremely handy for plaiting, clipping, tacking up and washing.
I think a lot of basic groundwork is missing in many horses educations. I can also open the doors to my stables and the boys will only walk out (loose) once called.
Tinkerbee
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I may be missing the point (as per...) but fair enough if a horse is trained to tie, and will stand without pissing about. Then it can be tied to a fixed object and not fart about as it knows it won't get loose.
But what if something genuinely panics it and it pulls back, cannot break loose/injures itself/breaks wall/fence/gate whatever and then...
So surely a horse should be well trained but still tied to something it can break, should the worst happen?
Or have I missed the point?
But what if something genuinely panics it and it pulls back, cannot break loose/injures itself/breaks wall/fence/gate whatever and then...
So surely a horse should be well trained but still tied to something it can break, should the worst happen?
Or have I missed the point?
251libby
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I dont't know who to agree with here, my horse is tied to baler twine in a leather headcoller, she never really pulls back, on the one occation that she did, the twine broke she walked into stable! I oftern leave my horse tied outside stable, she's usually there while I muck out, get my tack, soak my hay etc. So I leave her unattended but I'm at a huge sucure yard so really if she did get loose or start freaking out there are usually loads of people around.
Gingernags
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I bought him a new stretchy lead rope the other day. Since part of his panic seems to stem from the sudden stop of the rope, I'm hoping that the extra give will let him calm down sooner.
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See I taught my foal to tie up by using a tights leg (couldn't fine the alternative of a stretch bandage at the time). I put the tights leg as a loop through a loop of twine on the tie up ring and ran his lead rope through that - but didn't tie it, I kept hold. He walked about a bit, realised he couldn't go anyhere and stood. I tied him up while I mucked out and he was as good as gold.
The fact the tights leg stretched meant he didn't panic and he's been fine ever since.
He's learned off his mum luckily, not to panic, and if he gets caught up in fencing/ropes anything, he stands and waits until you come and get him! I'm not saying we leave this stuff all over, but we have a pony at the yard that wrecks fences and Finn has been caught up in electric rope before where the other little sh!t snapped it, it was round his neck and feet - and he waited til someone undid it rather than panicking and running about.
For me its all about minimising the risks - you can never eliminate them. I won't tie to somthing totally rigid as there are cases of horses breaking necks and legs panicking, and I won;t tie to fences and wooden things that can come away.
I always use twine but I think I'm going to get some rubber ties. I already have panic clips on the trailer ties and extra trailer ties in the stables too.
And we keep the external farm gates shut at all times, only open when we got out and shut straight behind us. Because the heathens always manage the odd escape...
I bought him a new stretchy lead rope the other day. Since part of his panic seems to stem from the sudden stop of the rope, I'm hoping that the extra give will let him calm down sooner.
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See I taught my foal to tie up by using a tights leg (couldn't fine the alternative of a stretch bandage at the time). I put the tights leg as a loop through a loop of twine on the tie up ring and ran his lead rope through that - but didn't tie it, I kept hold. He walked about a bit, realised he couldn't go anyhere and stood. I tied him up while I mucked out and he was as good as gold.
The fact the tights leg stretched meant he didn't panic and he's been fine ever since.
He's learned off his mum luckily, not to panic, and if he gets caught up in fencing/ropes anything, he stands and waits until you come and get him! I'm not saying we leave this stuff all over, but we have a pony at the yard that wrecks fences and Finn has been caught up in electric rope before where the other little sh!t snapped it, it was round his neck and feet - and he waited til someone undid it rather than panicking and running about.
For me its all about minimising the risks - you can never eliminate them. I won't tie to somthing totally rigid as there are cases of horses breaking necks and legs panicking, and I won;t tie to fences and wooden things that can come away.
I always use twine but I think I'm going to get some rubber ties. I already have panic clips on the trailer ties and extra trailer ties in the stables too.
And we keep the external farm gates shut at all times, only open when we got out and shut straight behind us. Because the heathens always manage the odd escape...
DiablosGold
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All the metal tie rings at our yard have baler twine on them, which does break if necessary (I have seen it a few times). We have to keep the gate shut so if they get loose it doesn't really matter.
On the trailer we tie them to thick rope which doesn't break. My horse broke his (leather) headcollar when he had a rare 'moment' whilst tied to the trailer, much better than being strangled by a nylon headcollar.
On the trailer we tie them to thick rope which doesn't break. My horse broke his (leather) headcollar when he had a rare 'moment' whilst tied to the trailer, much better than being strangled by a nylon headcollar.
MontyandZoom
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CotswoldSJ......I think you are missing the point. It is nothing to do with teaching the horse to stand tied up. Sometimes horses, even the best behaved, can panic.
One of my horses is an ex-polo mare from Argentina. She is lovely and stands beautifully at home or away. However, a dirt bike came whizzing down the track the other day round a blind bend and she panicked and broke free. She would have stuggled as long as it took to get free as she was genuinely terrified.
I personally think that any horse can panic in certain situations, however well tranined they are. I fail to see how that is 'amusing'.
One of my horses is an ex-polo mare from Argentina. She is lovely and stands beautifully at home or away. However, a dirt bike came whizzing down the track the other day round a blind bend and she panicked and broke free. She would have stuggled as long as it took to get free as she was genuinely terrified.
I personally think that any horse can panic in certain situations, however well tranined they are. I fail to see how that is 'amusing'.
rubyrumba
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My yearlings tie up and stand very quietly.
However i am a worrier and i never leave them and now that they do tie up i usually just put the lead rope through the twine and not actually tie it up. They aren't really tied up long enough to get bored and all gates are shut. I try to do most things with them loose in the stable.
However i am a worrier and i never leave them and now that they do tie up i usually just put the lead rope through the twine and not actually tie it up. They aren't really tied up long enough to get bored and all gates are shut. I try to do most things with them loose in the stable.
flyingfeet
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Its only amusing from the amount of comments of "oh i never tie up my horse".
Arguably a horse panicking but tied up is safer than one bolting off in terror. However there are lots of variables - if you tie on concrete, solid tieing is not ideal as they will hurt themselves.
In a controlled environment (I don't have dirt bikes whizzing around) I tie solid, so that they learn to tie.
At a show where I cannot control the environment, I have to tie with baler twine, also because I wouldn't trust the trailer to be strong enough to support a horse pulling back.
Then it could be argued by not tieing solid at a show I am endangering the public and the horse. However I am hoping that the training from tieing solid as a youngster means they will only break away in an emergency.
Perhaps this guide could be of help:
http://horses.about.com/od/basiccare/a/safetying.htm
Arguably a horse panicking but tied up is safer than one bolting off in terror. However there are lots of variables - if you tie on concrete, solid tieing is not ideal as they will hurt themselves.
In a controlled environment (I don't have dirt bikes whizzing around) I tie solid, so that they learn to tie.
At a show where I cannot control the environment, I have to tie with baler twine, also because I wouldn't trust the trailer to be strong enough to support a horse pulling back.
Then it could be argued by not tieing solid at a show I am endangering the public and the horse. However I am hoping that the training from tieing solid as a youngster means they will only break away in an emergency.
Perhaps this guide could be of help:
http://horses.about.com/od/basiccare/a/safetying.htm
SaffronWelshDragon
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Mine are tied up with baler twine to a metal gate. They're generally very good with no real incidents. Saf is the only one who's broken the baler twine and that was just her being silly with something that spooked her. She's tied up with a quick release knot so if she does get spooked I can usually untie the knot before she gets silly. Also, if they get free they'll just end up in their field, nothing dangerous around
Forgot to add, I've just remembered when my little Welsh Sec A learned to pull back when being groomed. She never snapped the baler twine she was tied to, but on one occasion pulled one of the timber slats out of the stables. Fortuately she was being an idiot and wasn't frightened of anything so just stood there whilst we came to rescue her.
Maybe the size of the horse or pony ought to be taken into account.
Forgot to add, I've just remembered when my little Welsh Sec A learned to pull back when being groomed. She never snapped the baler twine she was tied to, but on one occasion pulled one of the timber slats out of the stables. Fortuately she was being an idiot and wasn't frightened of anything so just stood there whilst we came to rescue her.
Maybe the size of the horse or pony ought to be taken into account.
Highlander2
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We teach our foals to tie up using fixed kneck ropes that thread through their headcollar, then you can do it safely without breaking anything or causing any harm.
After they have learnt to tie and not panic or pull back we then use standard baler twine loops for all tying.
However if they revert to breaking these on purpose we go back to the kneck rope again.
The neck rope is fixed so it does not choke them or anything sinister like that.
After they have learnt to tie and not panic or pull back we then use standard baler twine loops for all tying.
However if they revert to breaking these on purpose we go back to the kneck rope again.
The neck rope is fixed so it does not choke them or anything sinister like that.
Gingernags
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Mine are tied up with baler twine to a metal gate. They're generally very good with no real incidents.
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I've seen a horse pull a gate over on itself too when the twine didn't snap - easier to do than you think unless you have the top hinge reversed so they can't lift it off...
Mine are tied up with baler twine to a metal gate. They're generally very good with no real incidents.
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I've seen a horse pull a gate over on itself too when the twine didn't snap - easier to do than you think unless you have the top hinge reversed so they can't lift it off...
sarahHugo
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I have a metel loop that a bought from Badminton last year. It was sold by somebody on a stall and I bought one after a demo.
Its like half a bit with a long 'arm' down the middle. You can wrap the rope in three different ways with different strengths.
It was great for my youngster, I used it with a lunge line. If they pull back it is a little harder than snapping twine - but they can ALWAYS get away. When used with a lunge line it gives you ample time to grab them - and she has has stopped bothering now. The rope just slides through the middle.
It is designed to stop the release some horses get from breaking twine. If they pull back the rope just releases. Can be slight or completely - depending on how hard.
Though it was a waste of money last year (bought £18) but I use it most days now.
Its like half a bit with a long 'arm' down the middle. You can wrap the rope in three different ways with different strengths.
It was great for my youngster, I used it with a lunge line. If they pull back it is a little harder than snapping twine - but they can ALWAYS get away. When used with a lunge line it gives you ample time to grab them - and she has has stopped bothering now. The rope just slides through the middle.
It is designed to stop the release some horses get from breaking twine. If they pull back the rope just releases. Can be slight or completely - depending on how hard.
Though it was a waste of money last year (bought £18) but I use it most days now.
Lill
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Mine are nearly always tied up on the yard!
Blue is fine, just stands there knocking all the brushes and whatever else is in reach all over the floor. He scrapes the ground if he's getting impatient though.
Merlin ties up, but is even more impatient than Blue and is constantly scraping unless you are standing right next to him, and he fidgets but then he is 2yo and wants to know what i'm up to!!
They are both tied to baler twine on rings, though the baler twine is really old and quite thin.
Blue is fine, just stands there knocking all the brushes and whatever else is in reach all over the floor. He scrapes the ground if he's getting impatient though.
Merlin ties up, but is even more impatient than Blue and is constantly scraping unless you are standing right next to him, and he fidgets but then he is 2yo and wants to know what i'm up to!!
They are both tied to baler twine on rings, though the baler twine is really old and quite thin.