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Why, oh why, do people keep on and on at me to have my JRT balls cut off?????

He doesn't hump legs, or little female doggies, never has, never tried it.
In the summer he likes to chase rabbits, the occasional deer scent sends him on a hopeless mission trying to catch one, but he is far too slow ( need a deerhound for that wouldn't you say), so he does occasionally run off.
He also has a big issue about the ginger tom that strides through the garden at night, so he has been known to recently scale the wall of the garden and go missing in the early hours of the morning, last time being brought back by the police after being found in the town unable to get back into our garden! ( high wall see) And we have now fixed his only possible escape route.

Most of this behaviour is attributable to his JRT nature, which is to take delight in chasing after small wee furry creatures, most of which escape down a hole usually right in front of him.
He is very, very car wise, he moves slowly around cars and seems to understand the danger. I have constantly drilled him to sit and wait at the side of the road when out on walkies over his 4 years, so I feel fairly confident that he is unlikely to get himself run over when he runs off. In fact my greatest fear ist that he might get stuck down a hole, but he is a large JRT, so thats fairly unlikely too.

Thing is I dont want to be so "precious" about him that (IMO) I ruin his quality of life, also I wish to breed from him one day as he is a lovely type. Plus, I like his characteristics, that to some extent are dependant on his hormones, physically he is lean and fit, just skin, bone, muscle and gristle. I don't want to take the chance that castration may turn him into a fat, apathetic souless creature with his lust for life spoiled. ( after all once its done there's no going back)

I understand that vets, ( that perhaps need the money), and people with female dogs ( that equally want to breed from them, or don`t want the expense of having them spayed, so think I should castrate my dog along with all the other male dog owners too), and people with fat castrated dogs who like dogs that look like that, owners of other "entire" dogs that want to attack mine, and other folk that have their own agendas whatever they may be, are entitled to their opinions too.
but thats all they are entitled too.
I do not share their views.
My opinions TO WHICH I AM ENTITLED TO, are what I choose to act on.

So if you feel you ve had a conversation with someone recently along these lines, consider the above and please give it a rest. I ve heard all the arguments and quite frankly I am doing what I think is best for me, and my dog and my family, as far as I am concerned thats the end of it.

Thank you

Sorry, forum members for this rant but you know it really p***ES me off, and this forum is great for letting off steam!
 
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I would just like to point out that my NEUTERED spaniel is not fat, listless, apathetic, souless or anything else. As members who met him at the recent AAD meet-up will testify he is a lean, muscular, fit, mischievous dog with his personality and temperament undimmed.

ETA - dogs get fat because they are fed too much and not exercised enough.
 
You do indeedy have the right to keep your dog entire, however telling say "me" to "give it a rest" the next time I advise someone to neuter their dog, is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, not unless there is ever someone big enough to enforce it:rolleyes: thats not happened do far;)
The day irrisponsible breeding ceases and rescues like my mams are not packed with no less than 40 dogs at a time, will be the day I DO NOT advise an owner, esp one who's dog is prone to "escape" has "behavioural" issues or "health" issues (come with the territory at work:rolleyes: or maybe they dont have a clue, or the money to treat the dog should breeding go wrong, or they have no clue in regard to health testing or can take every puppy/grown dog they breed back if the need arrises at any age of their life (saves us rescues having to do so) when we where no the ignoramuses profiting in the first place.
 
I would just like to point out that my NEUTERED spaniel is not fat, listless, apathetic, souless or anything else. As members who met him at the recent AAD meet-up will testify he is a lean, muscular, fit, mischievous dog with his personality and temperament undimmed.

ETA - dogs get fat because they are fed too much and not exercised enough.

Ditto that, I challenge any entire dog owner to say their 1 dog, is fitter and leaner than any of my 9, and they are all neutered and NOT 1 is over weight, thats called being a responsible owner who feed a balanced diet and exercises them appropriatley, dogs are fat for 3 reasons, either they have a health problem, are fed way to much or their owner is lazy:p
 
I agree that not all neutered dogs are fat lazy or listless, but some are and perhaps it is down to the feeding and exercise rota.
I am just saying that neutering is not for my dog ATM, and I would appreciate my opinion and action being respected.
After all I give you the respect to wish to neuter your dogs, and in fact usually never raise a comment on the subject.
I am just sick of people constantly trying to ram their opinions down my throat.

Just because you think you are right, doesnt mean you are.
 
I actually tend not to bang on about it on here, until the subject is broached:rolleyes::p
But the people in RL I have advised and "shocked" with the facts, it has certainly worked;) and if people don't want my advice they should never have asked me:rolleyes: the price of a caesarean is always a good one and if that does not work the mention of "where will you keep 3 adult boxers when/if they are returned to you" this was enough for on of my clients to book her bitch for a spay, 2 days after our conversation:rolleyes:
Just a bit of education to ignorance is always an eye opener, some people are genuinely shocked thats it more than jsut 2 dogs shafting and lots of cute babies:rolleyes:
 
My dog can be seen on this link: www.australianshepherd.hu/falom_en.html

I am his "forever" home after his life as a Crufts standard show dog. He was was sent to Hungary to breed as has some rare blood lines on his dams side.

He is absolutely saintly, wouldn't dream of escaping the garden and rarely has his lead on.

Nevertheless, with his breeders permission, he was neutered (aged 3) a month after he moved in. There are way too many dogs being bred. I've no intention of adding to this problem.

Trust me, neutered Aussies don't do "dull".
 
I am sure there are many neutered fabulous dogs about and i do not dispute that.
In the past I bought two of my JRT from the gypsies that had a number of fairly odd looking, perhaps atypical JRT dogs about that covered an adorable JRT bitch. She was white rough coated and tiny. The dogs were assorted scruffies, white, black, spotty, patchy, tall and short legs, all were working dogs.
The progeny from the various combinations produce some of the most super Jack Russells in Kent that I have ever seen, Mitzys pups were seen in every horsebox and yard and owners would recognise sibling pups as they were so dstinctively gorgeous, tough and nice natured. Basically they were scruffy little terriers (ill bred some may say) and every one not far removed from mongrel.
I hope to find a similar scruffy little bitch in the future and cross mine with her, hopeful to produce a dog type that I find many people are looking for but seldom can find.
That is my intention, thats why I am not castrating him, yet. Ok?
 
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I am sure there are many neutered fabulous dogs about and i do not dispute that.
In the past I bought two of my JRT from the gypsies that had a number of fairly odd looking, perhaps atypical JRT dogs about that covered an adorable JRT bitch. She was white rough coated and tiny. The dogs were assorted scruffies, white, black, spotty, patchy, tall and short legs, all were working dogs.
The progeny from the various combinations produce some of the most super Jack Russells in Kent that I have ever seen, Mitzys pups were seen in every horsebox and yard and owners would recognise sibling pups as they were so dstinctively gorgeous, tough and nice natured. Basically they were scruffy little terriers (ill bred some may say) and every one not far removed from mongrel.
I hope to find a similar scruffy little bitch in the future and cross mine with her, hopeful to produce a dog type that I find many people are looking for but seldom can find.
That is my intention, thats why I am not castrating him, yet. Ok?

Thats if he can work out how to mate!
 
SITC-you are aware that in general a fat castrated dog will probably have got fat with that particular owner regardless of being castrated?
The suggestion that castrated dogs are all fat apathetic souless is a stupid thing to say, feel free to come meet mine who didn't notice their balls going!
Jack russels are ten a penny... and show me an owner who doesn't think theirs is the best!
 
Here's my "fat, apathetic souless creature with his lust for life spoiled" and his quality of life ruined.
I have no agenda, I can look at him, and and am sensible and unromantic enough to know that much as he is a lovely dog, I can see his traits and I can see he is not good enough to breed from - for the good of the whole breed, he would add nothing.
If I want something from similar lines in future, I know where to go.
He chases hares, he chases cats, he's a bolshy git who bulldozes his way through life and he has his entry level German companion dog obedience/traffic sureness qualification and I'm training him in tracking.
He just hasn't got any balls :p

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PS you do sound a bit precious :p
 
There are way too many dogs being bred. I've no intention of adding to this problem.

Exactly! You may well rate your dog and want to continue his line, but it is your responsibility to find homes for how ever many pups are in that litter. That's a responsibility I wouldn't want personally.
 
Having watched the untimely and wholly unnecessary demise of my nan's JRT, who died from testicular cancer, I would never willingly expose a dog to such a horrible condition.

Those at the AAD meet can testify that my spayed bitch is a skinny mare who can outlast a spaniel in the 'running around like a loon' stakes. :p

I could've made £800 a pup by breeding her, selling the pups online to unvetted homes, but there's enough unregistered, un-health-tested dogs in this country that I would be ashamed to contribute to the problem, never mind my concern for where the offspring might end up.
 
Excellent, terrier crosses. Just what we need. The Dogs Trust only has 46 in need of rehoming at the moment after all.... :rolleyes:

ETA and 25 just down as 'terriers'.
 
My last male GSD died of cancer, in his 'manly' bits, yet I had his nuts off at 12 mths. He was a rescue who we got at 11mths, let him settle then off they came. He was beautiful, KC reg etc but such a pain in the arse they had to go.
Now the pup I have now is 11 mths, the difference in behaviour is amazing. We have had him since a tiny boy, so he is well trained. Not a thug, doesn't hump anything and doesn't run off. Why should I have his nuts off??
I think sometimes people judge too quickly, can you imagine telling lager louts who live in council houses on all the benifits to go and get theirs off incase they breed more louts?
Can you imagine what they would say to me if they read that, well thats how I feel when people harp on to get dogs castrated.
I have had every dog I have owned 'done,' I bred my JRT bitch once and had buyers for the puppies. She had 4, 1 died at birth.
If I ever decided to breed again it would be well thought out, planned and reserched again. If my male did do a naughty with someone elses dog I would be angry, pay for a jab and make sure it doesn't happen again.
At the end of the day its my choice.
BTW, 2 of my GSD's were rescues.
Both had been beaten, thin as a rake and nervous. Both were KC reg, someone had payed good money for them at some stage, yet thrown them out.
Sometimes the buyers need shouting at not the breeders?
 
SITC-you are aware that in general a fat castrated dog will probably have got fat with that particular owner regardless of being castrated?
The suggestion that castrated dogs are all fat apathetic souless is a stupid thing to say, feel free to come meet mine who didn't notice their balls going!
Jack russels are ten a penny... and show me an owner who doesn't think theirs is the best!

Yes, I am aware of that possibility, but it cannot be denied that there is a hormonal aspect to muscle loss and weight gain in castrated animals, just look at the history of eunochs in humans for example, despite what Wilbur Smith, ( writer of Egyptology novels) may write, most eunochs were fat and not rippling with muscle.
Testosterone gives male characteristics, reduces body fat, increases circulation to muscles and adds bone density, same reason some people cut colts late so as to maximise testosterone influence on the animal growth and therefore performance.
Why do you think so many Dressage riders keep their horses entire, its not just because they plan to breed from them but because performance is enhanced and perhaps pride within the individual horse too, so personality factors are linked and in some animals it adds to their beauty and expression, and is therefore determined worthwhile.
Why do you think men don't get osteoporosis?, and old male film stars have human growth hormone injections ( which stimulates tesosterone production) too, when they start to get middle aged spread?
Testosterone is no bad thing. - Despite what vets may say it is an essential componant of a an animals physiology and to suggest that we should throw it away like an unwanted spare part is IMO, wrong.
Perhaps people with uncontrollable male dogs should buy bitches, or go to more training classes and learn how to train dogs with hormones!
My JRT jumps through hoops, performs a further 6 tricks and does not hump anything as he is not "top" dog in our house, I am!!. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of mental "castration" has occured within him, due to him being subjugated in the home in the first place.
This also happens with ungelded colts in a herd.
Male characteristics are dissipated by position in the heirarchy, and I believe, though do not have any papers to support this ATM, that hormone levels are lower in these male horses too.
Its this banket mentality, I think which annoys me most in this discussion, that seems to think that all owners of male dogs should be forced to castrate them as if all are so incapable of training an animal. I acknowledge that there are uneducated and small minded people that own entire dogs, and in fact know of a few, but please it is not all of us.


You see as I said in my original post, he runs off to CHASE RABBITS, CATS AND DEER NOT FEMALE DOGS!


Funnily enough I would not be breeding them to make shed loads of money but to produce on a fairly small scale, a type of dog that many people seem to be looking for, a small fun, playful, scruffy terrier type, seen and used in so many ads in recent years, and which evidently are NOT "ten a penny"

As you say most JRT owners think theirs are the best, therefore, "vis a vis", - there must be a common theme!
 
My dog was a chubber with his old, stupid owners. He came to me and has never looked healthier - despite having been neutered. My old lab lived to the age of 16 and was never fat, sick or sorry and guess what? He was neutered too.

You are moaning about people generalising while being just as bad yourself!
 
Ummmm - are you trolling here? I just wonder because it seems a rather antagonistic thing to start a post about in here when any casual observer KNOWS how strongly the AAD regular members are against casual breeding and leaving animals un-neutered :confused:

I will add to the thread - ALL my dogs are neutered as they are rescues, and I think those attending the AAD meet up will confirm that they are in fabulous condition and are not fat, apathetic or lethargic in any way :) My mother has bred dogs for all my life and I have therefore known many neutered animals, NONE of which have shown any change in personality or appearance unless an ignorant owner has allowed them to get too fat by over-feeding with insufficient exercise.

JRT's of all shapes and sizes are 10-a-penny - as indeed are greyhounds which I own - and I would never advocate adding to the numbers already out there :(
 
OP. A lot of people on here are for neutering not just because of the health issues and lots of unwanted dogs, but also because of people with unwanted dogs going off straying and "getting" bitches. You have actually admitted that your dog strays (whether rabbits or out of your garden after a cat), how do you know if he's out and about what he is getting up to? People would actually say that it's not very responsible to have an entire dog that wanders off for any reason...

I would add I am very much on the fence. My 8.5 month old is not neutered. I haven't decided. I have no intention of breeding from him, but I may show him which means he needs his bits. My vet when I discussed neutering also said he doesn't just chop them off routinely for no reason. However, H NEVER strays anywhere and is always in my sight and under control. If he wandered, for whatever reason, I'd have him done.
 
My last male GSD died of cancer, in his 'manly' bits, yet I had his nuts off at 12 mths. He was a rescue who we got at 11mths, let him settle then off they came. He was beautiful, KC reg etc but such a pain in the arse they had to go.
Now the pup I have now is 11 mths, the difference in behaviour is amazing. We have had him since a tiny boy, so he is well trained. Not a thug, doesn't hump anything and doesn't run off. Why should I have his nuts off??
I think sometimes people judge too quickly, can you imagine telling lager louts who live in council houses on all the benifits to go and get theirs off incase they breed more louts?
Can you imagine what they would say to me if they read that, well thats how I feel when people harp on to get dogs castrated.
I have had every dog I have owned 'done,' I bred my JRT bitch once and had buyers for the puppies. She had 4, 1 died at birth.
If I ever decided to breed again it would be well thought out, planned and reserched again. If my male did do a naughty with someone elses dog I would be angry, pay for a jab and make sure it doesn't happen again.
At the end of the day its my choice.
BTW, 2 of my GSD's were rescues.
Both had been beaten, thin as a rake and nervous. Both were KC reg, someone had payed good money for them at some stage, yet thrown them out.
Sometimes the buyers need shouting at not the breeders?

In total agreement with you there, on all points, especially the bit about testicles and cancer, ie not having them didn't stop your poor dog getting it.

It makes me wonder if people who use the excuse that to have testicles means the dog is at risk, are utterly clueless about biology, or that they have a 'hidden agenda' that fires their insistance, either that or they've been brainwashed by someone they trust ie "The Vet". Certainly I think some vets try to scare vulnerable dog owners with cancer stories as they wish ( quite rightly maybe ) to reduce the numbers of unwanted puppies produced. However I don't think thats a particularly honest way to go about the problem and to the educated, IT IS INSULTING TO THE INTELLIGENCE.

Dogs are no more likely to develop cancer in their "bits" by nature of keeping them, than any other animal, including humans, - otherwise if that were true shouldn't we all be rushing to have our own ovaries, testicles, mammary glands, removed etc JUST IN CASE!!!

n.b , there is one exception, elective breast tissue surgery for women carrying the breast cancer gene


Well said Minimax.
 
OP. A lot of people on here are for neutering not just because of the health issues and lots of unwanted dogs, but also because of people with unwanted dogs going off straying and "getting" bitches. You have actually admitted that your dog strays (whether rabbits or out of your garden after a cat), how do you know if he's out and about what he is getting up to? People would actually say that it's not very responsible to have an entire dog that wanders off for any reason...

I would add I am very much on the fence. My 8.5 month old is not neutered. I haven't decided. I have no intention of breeding from him, but I may show him which means he needs his bits. My vet when I discussed neutering also said he doesn't just chop them off routinely for no reason. However, H NEVER strays anywhere and is always in my sight and under control. If he wandered, for whatever reason, I'd have him done.

How can you be sure he only wandered for sexual reasons? That is an assumption only.

I have no problem calling my dog away from any bitch, in season or not, out walking he is just not that interested, but nigh on impossible to stop him chasing a rabbit or the deer at our Croft or even the cat crossing the garden!!!!
My friends JRT is also entire, - they tried to use him as a stud dog as many people wanted one like him - he couldn't manage it, hadn't got a clue!!! He was about 6 at the time and is like a puppy still.
 
I wasn't assuming he wandered for sexual reasons.... Didn't doubt at all you said it was a rabbit/cat. But once he's gone, and off the scent of whatever he initially was after, how do you know what he's getting up to? He could easily be having his "way".
 
Actually he has been found in the school playground playing ball with the children, or on other occasions seeking out children in their back gardens to play with. They have all thought he was great fun, other time he was crying and yowling to get back over the wall to our garden, he'd jump it chasing the ginger cat you see and I didn't hear him. At no time has anyone ever reported that he was making a nuisance of himself with anyones bitch or trying to hump anything and at all times people have been very kind about him and said how sweet he is.
 
Good point galaxy, balls or no balls, I want to know where my dogs are at all times but more so if they can seek out a bitch and mate, and for an owner to think "oh no he would never do that" well LMAO:D.
Also agree with SIATC, a dog running off for any reason has little bearing on the presence of testicles, poor training is poor training with or without balls;)
 
I don't care what your dog is doing, it shouldn't be escaping on a regular basis for any reason!

My dog chases, but he has never vanished off into the distance out of sight.
 
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