Balls off!

Spudlet said:
Excellent, terrier crosses. Just what we need. The Dogs Trust only has 46 in need of rehoming at the moment after all.... :rolleyes:

ETA and 25 just down as 'terriers'.
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Interesting, I and my friend couldn t find a small one in any of the rescue homes we visited, they were all at least medium sized or old fat ones. A young small terrier I was told was the most popular type requested.
Many dogs in in rescue centres are medium to large animals, mature and hence not popular, I ve seen it for myself.

Also I am no Troll! ( someone else suggested somewhere) athough I am afraid I do not know of the organisation you mentioned that is so in favour of neutering.

I am just someone who hopefully looks things with an independent mind and with biology/scientific based perspective, who does not like to follow the crowd on every contentious subject just for the sake of a peaceful life!

- And actually I am not against neutering per se, its just I am sick of having all the usual lame excuses levelled at me as a reason for me to comply.
 
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I have to say we get loads of small shaggy terriers in our rescue, we currently have 5 in, all very small, im not a terrier lover so cannot say they are nice looking dogs (they mostly all look the same), but they are very small and very wirey:D
One is a j.r.t (looks like the one of the johnny briggs programme) remember that:o:D
We also have 2 smooth j.r.t's in thay are also very small, and non are fat, they are all under 2 years and there are very active so never stop, we usually get them in, because they are over bred and look cute as pups, then they become a handful or they look nothing like they did when they where puppies, and they are usually live wires that have had no discipline or exercise.

Edites to say, there are shed loads in my photo bucket, but im off to work and there is over 1500 rescue pics in there, so will have to have a scout through tomorrow:p
 
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We gets loads in that resemble this scruffy little oik, inc him:D
 
OP - If I was choosing a stud I'd look for one with good recall rather than being able to jump through a hoop.

I know many dogs that can do a whole three-phase Schutzhund routine which has a hell of a lot more than seven 'tricks' but I don't think all of them should be breeding, indeed, one of the best working GSDs in the world is a monorchid.

I remember you posting ages ago when you wanted to stud him and got the hump because people pointed out that he wasn't 'all that'.

I don't believe in blanket neutering either. As I said on the other post, if you want to show, if your dog is under control at all times (Yours isnt. Sorry) if your dog is GOOD ENOUGH to breed, if his behaviour is not excessive and he is not allowed to roam, fine.
But to say all neutered dogs are "fat, apathetic souless creature with their lust for life spoiled" and "their quality of life ruined" is bull sh!t and my dog's behaviour on our two hour hike in the mountains today proved that.

I've an independent mind too. Science doesn't really bother me, seeing rows and rows of little scruffy mites behind bars waiting for a needle, does, seeing pages and pages on a website of thousands of substandard puppies from unproven dogs (but I am sure they were 'nice') with no health tests by cash hungry muppets does, seeing small ads where dogs are being given away does.
 
This is Henry just before I got him - he had only just been neutered so all that weight had gone on while he was entire
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Here he is now - fat and flabby
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boring
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and souless
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Really, I don't know why I bother owning him...
 
I have kept the majority of my dogs (male and female) because they were either going to be shown or hopefully bred from. I have one spayed at present because her hip score meant she was not suitable for breeding. I have a 2 year old who I may take a litter off, she will then be spayed. I am not in favour of blanket neutering, as long as the owners are responsible and the dogs have no behavioural problem, but in many cases it would just seem to be the most sensible thing to do. A dog that escapes and disappears would worry me, purely from the risk of him being involved in a traffic accident or stolen. Tbh you are very lucky he is a JRT if he found his way on to a school playground. If that had been one of my dogs can you imagine the reaction, there would probably have been mass hysteria. And they would have just wanted to play with the children too I can assure you.
 
Storminateacup said:
Interesting, I and my friend couldn t find a small one in any of the rescue homes we visited, they were all at least medium sized or old fat ones. A young small terrier I was told was the most popular type requested.
Many dogs in in rescue centres are medium to large animals, mature and hence not popular, I ve seen it for myself.

Also I am no Troll! ( someone else suggested somewhere) athough I am afraid I do not know of the organisation you mentioned that is so in favour of neutering.

I am just someone who hopefully looks things with an independent mind and with biology/scientific based perspective, who does not like to follow the crowd on every contentious subject just for the sake of a peaceful life!

- And actually I am not against neutering per se, its just I am sick of having all the usual lame excuses levelled at me as a reason for me to comply.
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http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/rehomin...se&df_trainNeeded=False&df_lovesCuddles=False If you look here you should get the results of my dogs trust search - predominantly small, scruffy terriers.

But you won't, will you? Because you are right and everyone else is wrong, and you are going to breed because, hey, that's what people want, right? And people should always get just what they want, when they want it. And if the dog ends up homeless, well hey that's not your problem, right?

I don't give a damn whether or not your dog keeps its balls, but backyard breeders make me sick.

And I suggest that you securely fence your garden, and seek some advice on training your dog because clearly you need it.
 
Storminateacup said:
Also I am no Troll! ( someone else suggested somewhere) athough I am afraid I do not know of the organisation you mentioned that is so in favour of neutering.

I am just someone who hopefully looks things with an independent mind and with biology/scientific based perspective, who does not like to follow the crowd on every contentious subject just for the sake of a peaceful life!

- And actually I am not against neutering per se, its just I am sick of having all the usual lame excuses levelled at me as a reason for me to comply.
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Ooooh can I change my user name to 'Someone Else' now please? :D The "organisation" you mention is this forum BTW - AAD = All About Dogs? :p

I think there is only one reason you should neuter your dog - you apparently cannot control your dog and stop it getting out, and you do not know that when it is away from home it is not mating any random bitch it finds and adding to the thousands of unwanted dogs in this country
 
There are loads of terriers in rescues. Ours is great but was abandoned and in kennels for 2 years. Nobody wanted him. He's neutered, fit, lively and a good weight. There are too many of this type of dog around in my opinion.

Other dog isn't neutered, not a decision not to, just haven't felt the need. Perhaps we should? Not sure, no real testosterone related behaviours though. Wouldn't breed from him though as not a great physical animal (great temperament though) and loads of his breed and type out there.
 
MurphysMinder said:
I have kept the majority of my dogs (male and female) because they were either going to be shown or hopefully bred from. I have one spayed at present because her hip score meant she was not suitable for breeding. I have a 2 year old who I may take a litter off, she will then be spayed. I am not in favour of blanket neutering, as long as the owners are responsible and the dogs have no behavioural problem, but in many cases it would just seem to be the most sensible thing to do. A dog that escapes and disappears would worry me, purely from the risk of him being involved in a traffic accident or stolen. Tbh you are very lucky he is a JRT if he found his way on to a school playground. If that had been one of my dogs can you imagine the reaction, there would probably have been mass hysteria. And they would have just wanted to play with the children too I can assure you.
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That first line should of course have said "kept the majority of my dogs entire" :o
 
Storminateacup said:
Funnily enough I would not be breeding them to make shed loads of money but to produce on a fairly small scale, a type of dog that many people seem to be looking for, a small fun, playful, scruffy terrier type, seen and used in so many ads in recent years, and which evidently are NOT "ten a penny"
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Marvellous! That makes it all right then! :rolleyes::mad:

And bloody hell Spudlet - Henry is unrecognisable from when you got him!
 
*head desk* *head desk* *head desk* SIATC what are you rambling on about? Of course they are ten a penny, look at any 'pet sales' website and count how many there are, I think you will find there are more scruffy terrier type pups (and older dogs) than any other breed on there, look at epupz, pets4homes etc etc. Literally hundreds of other people doing exactly what you intend to do, why would you want to add to that? Then have a look how many 12-24 month olds of the same type are on those sites, all of those were most likely advertised on the same sites as pups by irresponsible breeders that now won't take them back. Just to say I haven't looked on any of these sites today, but have done many times before, its always the same.
 
Vizzy, you are flogging a dead horse here! I think the OP reckons she has found a nice little earner and is now desperately justifying it to herself and everyone else.
 
I have read this thread with interest...I am embarrassed to say my OH comes from the same school of thought as the OP...I, however, do not. OH has an entire Springer and if you mention getting his bits off you get a reaction akin to if you suggested removing his head....she went and got a Springer bitch puppy earlier this year and I am dreading where it is leading...whilst they are both nice enough dogs they are both relatively poor specimens of the breed, neither of them have papers or a show record or have proven themselves to be good working dogs so imo it would be totally irresponsible to breed from them...I asked her why she wants to do it and she said to see what comes out.............I was just speechless!! ££££ will no doubt be influencing her too. Pup is coming up to 6 months old now and I mentioned to the vet about spaying prior to her 1st season but he won't do it...I know it's not recommended but one of my terriers was spayed before her 1st season and is still going strong aged 11 with no probs as a result of it...so I am going to have to guard little pup with my life while she has her 1st season then take her to get spayed and face the wrath of OH!!! I really don't know how to make her see how irresponsible it is...any ideas??
 
TelH said:
I have read this thread with interest...I am embarrassed to say my OH comes from the same school of thought as the OP...I, however, do not. OH has an entire Springer and if you mention getting his bits off you get a reaction akin to if you suggested removing his head....she went and got a Springer bitch puppy earlier this year and I am dreading where it is leading...whilst they are both nice enough dogs they are both relatively poor specimens of the breed, neither of them have papers or a show record or have proven themselves to be good working dogs so imo it would be totally irresponsible to breed from them...I asked her why she wants to do it and she said to see what comes out.............I was just speechless!! ££££ will no doubt be influencing her too. Pup is coming up to 6 months old now and I mentioned to the vet about spaying prior to her 1st season but he won't do it...I know it's not recommended but one of my terriers was spayed before her 1st season and is still going strong aged 11 with no probs as a result of it...so I am going to have to guard little pup with my life while she has her 1st season then take her to get spayed and face the wrath of OH!!! I really don't know how to make her see how irresponsible it is...any ideas??
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Well, there's the fact that every time I go to the Dogs Trust website it chucks a load more spaniels and spaniel crosses at me for rehoming - or the fact that my own spaniel is a rescue, thrown out at 18 months old. He is the product of poor breeding, as he has hip displasia and is not a good example of the breed, much as I love him. He is very lucky to have found a new home, many others are not so lucky!
 
Maybe Cayla can post some pics of all the spangles she's had through...and as mentioned, being involved with a breed which has suffered from hereditary conditions because of irresponsible breeding, I would urge anyone breeding to run whichever battery of health tests which is applicable to that breed or type.

SIATC - would you take pups back if it didn't work out? What if three or four were returned? Anyone who says 'no' shouldn't breed.
 
TelH said:
I have read this thread with interest...I am embarrassed to say my OH comes from the same school of thought as the OP...I, however, do not. OH has an entire Springer and if you mention getting his bits off you get a reaction akin to if you suggested removing his head....she went and got a Springer bitch puppy earlier this year and I am dreading where it is leading...whilst they are both nice enough dogs they are both relatively poor specimens of the breed, neither of them have papers or a show record or have proven themselves to be good working dogs so imo it would be totally irresponsible to breed from them...I asked her why she wants to do it and she said to see what comes out.............I was just speechless!! ££££ will no doubt be influencing her too. Pup is coming up to 6 months old now and I mentioned to the vet about spaying prior to her 1st season but he won't do it...I know it's not recommended but one of my terriers was spayed before her 1st season and is still going strong aged 11 with no probs as a result of it...so I am going to have to guard little pup with my life while she has her 1st season then take her to get spayed and face the wrath of OH!!! I really don't know how to make her see how irresponsible it is...any ideas??
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You have a very sensible train of thought, it must be frustrating to be in that kind of situation.
As a rescue we get LOADS of springers and cockers in, mainly because they become a handful and the purchasers jumped way in over their heads and did not consider the time and exercise they would have to put in, we send them all to the PRISON SERVICE, they where meant to work and we can give them that, it's very rare we place them back into a family home unless they can prove they can give them what they need, as CC suggests, you need to tell Your OH that it's only responsible you take any puppy/adult back at any stage of their lives, otherwise they could end up in rescue or worse, bangining their heads of a pound wall (not nice at all) :( esp for such a high energy breed, also make sure you have a contingency for caesarean, if she has trouble with labour, you will be looking at around £800-£1000, then you havr to think of how it will effect your dog, who is now only a pet and has has no taste for the female form, his behaviour could change greatly if he does get a taste:rolleyes: and sometimes for the worse.
 
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