Ban horse sports...youtube what you think?

If my pony was suffering all this pain with his bit, then he would certainly let me know, he suffers with pollen in the summer, and just the tickle in nose cause's bad headshaking, pair of tights on his nose and 90% better and rideable, no problem in the winter, so he's quite a sensitive soul and doesn't suffer thing's lightly, so he would buck me off if he was suffering as the video show's, not only that, he can and has over the years snatched the reins so he can bomb off, no way ever could he or would he be able to do that if he was in such "alleged" pain.
 
moodymare_1993 said:
Gosh.... That kinda makes me not want to ride my horse in a bit or watch the grand national. ( that's the int horse race I will watch) that's quite shocking. How do you feel about it badgermyers?
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I can see what its trying to say but I think its very extremist and bias. I compete, with a bit, I carry a whip and ride in spurs. It has made me think a little bit about the actions of certain bits but I dont think horses suffer like shown. I found this video on a bitless bridle page.
 
although the video shows there are some truly appalling riders to be found in competition and the makers certianly went out of their way to include clips of the very worse and abusive riding they could find and while this riding is not excusable, thankfully it is not typical.

It is an extremist, scare mongering video made by the type of blinkered people that would only be happy if all domesticated horses were set loose on Dartmoor to be 'wild' again.

As for the animation of the skull on fire with pain because it has a bit in its mouth, a bit is only as harsh or mild as the hands that hold it.
yes... there will be people with good hands and people with bad hands but that is the fault of the PERSON not the bit.

any artificial aid can be an instrument of pain if used abusively but once again, the problem is the person not the equipment.

the makers of this particularly charming video will probably only be happy once people are banned from riding horses full stop so beware.

Its a load of rubbish, the guy with the moustache who thinks he's making some point by looking shocked at the camera while he breaks a model horse's plasticine jaw by pulling on a set of reins with the obvious implication that a pelham bit is some kind of torture instrument worthy of Guantanamo Bay- looks like a sex pest.

..and the music's dire.
 
lula said:
although the video shows there are some truly appalling riders to be found in competition and the makers certianly went out of their way to include clips of the very worse and abusive riding they could find and while this riding is not excusable, thankfully it is not typical.

It is an extremist, scare mongering video made by the type of blinkered people that would only be happy if all domesticated horses were set loose on Dartmoor to be 'wild' again.

As for the animation of the skull on fire with pain because it has a bit in its mouth, a bit is only as harsh or mild as the hands that hold it.
yes... there will be people with good hands and people with bad hands but that is the fault of the PERSON not the bit.

any artificial aid can be an instrument of pain if used abusively but once again, the problem is the person not the equipment.

the makers of this particularly charming video will probably only be happy once people are banned from riding horses full stop so beware.

Its a load of rubbish, the guy with the moustache who thinks he's making some point by looking shocked at the camera while he breaks a model horse's plasticine jaw by pulling on a set of reins with the obvious implication that a pelham bit is some kind of torture instrument worthy of Guantanamo Bay- looks like a sex pest.

..and the music's dire.
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This is just how I would sum it up if I had more time to type on here. Sadly I am also typing up a uni project at the same time :D
 
I don't think the sport needs to be banned, and I don't think this is an extremist view by any stretch, as that type of riding happens everyday.

But ultimately there is nothing that we can do to stop it, beside making sure we are not riding like that.
 
The fact that the none of the bits in the skeletal model were sat where they're supposed to to start with is a bit poo.

Interesting they link bits to competition...what about hackamores and Dr.Cooks?!
 
Nugget La Poneh said:
The fact that the none of the bits in the skeletal model were sat where they're supposed to to start with is a bit poo.

Interesting they link bits to competition...what about hackamores and Dr.Cooks?!
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I thought about bitless. I think the pressures of those can be just as bad as a misused bit if also misused yet they dont mention them! I did find this video linked on a bitless page though.....
 
It's not what is used, it is how it's used. No one can deny that bits can cause pain, you don't need X-rays or visual effects to demonstrate this.

What the video shows to me is just bad riding, bad horsemanship it exists, it always will exist in the pursuit of trophies be that monetary or titles or silverware. It's what competition creates.

I do think it is time for a more enlightened way of riding, where we don't push the horses to the very edge but those days will not come easily or quickly...
 
I think the video does make some good points, and certainly does show that not all people that ride competitively have the horse in mind.. BUT the video is obviously designed to make people think badly of competing. It is biased. It is one sided.

Someone else made a good point of how if her own horse was in pain because of the bit in it's mouth, it would let her know..I think that is also a very good point to be made.
 
bit over the top. they show terrible riders for starters.

going to stop before i start

and to add, most of the you tube comments are by people who know absoloutley nothing about horses
 
My dissertation is on bitting. Wish I'd read more journals before commenting but I'm away with the fairies on my data collection still.

From what I've read so far though, the horses mouth is not suited to bits. I've read some concerning stuff and horses ridden in a bitless bridle have shown to have less evasive behaviour than bitted horses.

However, this video is lame. I'd be slightly enthusiastic about taking it in, if it shown some good, established and quiet riders combined with the damage? Not to forget journals can be as dodgy as a book by Joe Bloggs sometimes.

Who knows?!?
 
IMO it doesn't matter what bit you have in a horse's mouth, it depends on your riding. I have seen someone get tanked off with on a beach with a horse in a bitless bridle, they pulled so hard they fractured the horse's nasal bone. Same with people yanking and pulling horses around in headcollars.

I have been watching videos of Shutterlfy today... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PR3XAuv-OA
His last international competition. He loves his job and has a great relationship with Mererdith.
I could also post videos of Opposition Buzz etc all whom love there job.
 
Am I the only one who giggled that the boy pulling the reins on the plastic horse's head was dressed in full riding gear, including hat? :D

Why would you dress like that in a lab? Except to make an emotive point. :rolleyes:
 
As we have no idea how well constructed the plastic heads are, we can't know the significance of them falling apart when tugged with a bit.

I do think all riders should be aware of the potential harm they can do to a horse's mouth (and I would hope most are) but I don't honestly see what this piece of film adds to anyone's knowledge.
 
Sensationalist crap attempting to pass itself off science. I love the 'rider' in full gear (as this is so much more convincing) in the lab. Never mind that he's not holding the reins the way riders do (the 'pull' will be different) and the 'experiment' completely ignores the correct anatomy of horse's jaw AND the weight and leg aids... don't even get me started on the use of the whip. Who the flip whacks straight down onto a table?? And the autopsy could be anything.
Showing a few unsympathetic riders doesn't cut the mustard, I'm afraid.
 
FionaM12 said:
Am I the only one who giggled that the boy pulling the reins on the plastic horse's head was dressed in full riding gear, including hat? :D

Why would you dress like that in a lab? Except to make an emotive point. :rolleyes:
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I was thinking the same! Was very confused!

It is def a thought provoking clip but as others have said, biased. I am doing a dissertation on the olympic dressage horses and their flexion etc and is very interesting. Some horses I am just wincing the whole way through *cough* adeline cornelissen *cough*
 
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