Ban staffordshire bull terriers? Girl attacked
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CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Did anyone see what a collie did to MQ's daughter?
I think it is time for anyone who wants a dog to pay for a much heavier license fee and do some sort of exam/course.
Yes, I am a Dog Nazi
I think it is time for anyone who wants a dog to pay for a much heavier license fee and do some sort of exam/course.
Yes, I am a Dog Nazi
BBH
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I know this is an emotive subject but I am still of the view that its bad owners that create problem dogs, a girl I used to work with had toddler twins and a staffie and had no problems at all because she raised him responsibly.
Acolyte
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Oh FFS sake not this sensationalist hype raising its head again
How typical of the Sun - 'devil dogs' - what a load of emotive rubbish
When are people going to realise that in 99% of cases there are not 'bad dogs' there are 'irresponsible or stupid' owners!!!!
I would also hope that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would also realise that not all representatives of one sort of breed can be tarred with the same brush..... in the same way that not all Muslims are terrorists!
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When are people going to realise that in 99% of cases there are not 'bad dogs' there are 'irresponsible or stupid' owners!!!!
I would also hope that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would also realise that not all representatives of one sort of breed can be tarred with the same brush..... in the same way that not all Muslims are terrorists!
Rant over now
HollyP
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love that last comment about the terrorists....i agree!
Do think that breeders need to be more responsible of who they sell to!
Do think that breeders need to be more responsible of who they sell to!
polyphonic
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Bad people i believe happens to good animals. I know many staffies who have been handled remarkably well, yet now many other breeds that people dont class as dangerous or aggressive that are as they have not been managed or handled in the correct manner
Acolyte
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love that last comment about the terrorists....i agree!
Do think that breeders need to be more responsible of who they sell to!
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I totally agree but in a lot of cases these arent reputable breeders they are people who have the odd litter from their bitch and just sell them on to whoever they can.
Perhaps dog BREEDERS should be licenced and regulated? My mum's gonna love me for saying that LOL
love that last comment about the terrorists....i agree!
Do think that breeders need to be more responsible of who they sell to!
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I totally agree but in a lot of cases these arent reputable breeders they are people who have the odd litter from their bitch and just sell them on to whoever they can.
Perhaps dog BREEDERS should be licenced and regulated? My mum's gonna love me for saying that LOL
HollyP
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Thats what i mean, I know with our cat we signed a contract saying he would be neutured.....just responisble breeding to protect the breed at the end of the day!
SunshineTallulah
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Oh not this old chestnut AGAIN.
Cop-Pop
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God not this again
Ban rubbish owners and be done with it
Does anyone think dog licenses are a good idea - investigate everyone and prevent chavs/scuffers from having dogs
Would defo work in my area!
Does anyone think dog licenses are a good idea - investigate everyone and prevent chavs/scuffers from having dogs
k9h
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NO. In short answer.
Long answer!
It is the way ANY dog is brought up as to how it is.
I had a staffie years ago that was the softest thing ever & he was rehomed to us, we hadn't had him since he was a pup.
My Grand dad had a corgi on the farm (that lived in house) & that was very protective, no one could raise their voice & if Gdad was in the car parked up & a mate came over & went to shake his hand, she would jump over & try & latch onto them.
I think alot of these accidents is down to poor parentage. This dog was in the household with young children after it was know to attack. Sorry but that is just wrong & plain bad parenting.
Long answer!
It is the way ANY dog is brought up as to how it is.
I had a staffie years ago that was the softest thing ever & he was rehomed to us, we hadn't had him since he was a pup.
My Grand dad had a corgi on the farm (that lived in house) & that was very protective, no one could raise their voice & if Gdad was in the car parked up & a mate came over & went to shake his hand, she would jump over & try & latch onto them.
I think alot of these accidents is down to poor parentage. This dog was in the household with young children after it was know to attack. Sorry but that is just wrong & plain bad parenting.
muffinino
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OFGS! I know Staffies, Dobermans and Rotties that are lovely and have never been aggressive - my old boss's Rottie turned a 10yo girl from being petrified of dogs in to someone who would practically have him on her lap (though he was a bit big, lol). On the other hand, I've known Mini Poodles, Yorkies, Sheepdogs and even Labs that were nasty and I wouldn't trust them. Sensationalist crap as always from The Sun.
WishfulThinker
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I would rather pet a rottie or a staffie than a JRT or a yorkie! Those things are very territorial.
But it is the owners who make a dog the way it is - same with parents and children. They learn from what they are told and how they are treated.
But it is the owners who make a dog the way it is - same with parents and children. They learn from what they are told and how they are treated.
kbsaff
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Right then going by the justification of banning staffs, perhaps we ought to ban cats, They've got a nasty set of claws on the.
Horses should be banned , yep I've known one to kick and everything!
Ban badly behaved children, lets stop breeding them all together because their parents can't bring them up properly.
Come to think about it, i've known some very aggressive geese. Who wants to sign a petition banning geese?
Ridiculous! If the answer to everyproblem is "ban it" where would we be? What are we going to do with them when we ban them. Put them all in a big cage and lock them away? I hardly think so. If you're that against aggressive dogs, come up with a practical solution to the problem. how about plans to educate dog owners. In my opion "banning staffs" is a very narrow minded view.
Horses should be banned , yep I've known one to kick and everything!
Ban badly behaved children, lets stop breeding them all together because their parents can't bring them up properly.
Come to think about it, i've known some very aggressive geese. Who wants to sign a petition banning geese?
Ridiculous! If the answer to everyproblem is "ban it" where would we be? What are we going to do with them when we ban them. Put them all in a big cage and lock them away? I hardly think so. If you're that against aggressive dogs, come up with a practical solution to the problem. how about plans to educate dog owners. In my opion "banning staffs" is a very narrow minded view.
genie
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Poor little girl.what an horrific thing to happen to anybody. Hope she isn't scarred and gets over this as well as can be expected.
Darkhorse
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How ridiculous - it is moron owners not the dogs that should be banned.
Go to the council pound and have a look round.. They are full of staffies and staffy crossed because muppets on council estates think they are a status dog. They mate them with everything and nation wide there is an epidemic of abandoned dogs, a high percentage being staffies because of the idiots breeding them.
Im currently fostering an old staffy for local rescue she was dumped in the pound to die. She is a lovely old lady and wouldn't hurt anyone... Unlike my old collie who would have eaten a child or two for breakfast !
People are irresponsible.
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Go to the council pound and have a look round.. They are full of staffies and staffy crossed because muppets on council estates think they are a status dog. They mate them with everything and nation wide there is an epidemic of abandoned dogs, a high percentage being staffies because of the idiots breeding them.
Im currently fostering an old staffy for local rescue she was dumped in the pound to die. She is a lovely old lady and wouldn't hurt anyone... Unlike my old collie who would have eaten a child or two for breakfast !
People are irresponsible.
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minerva
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg. makes me so cross every time this crops up, and people say stupid things about Staffs all the time, last weekend a guy was following my OH and I as were having a quick look at the pet cemetery at Longleat, and he blocked our exit and pointed at our little Staff X and said" those dogs eat children, you shouldn be here" - i was fuming, nearly fed him to the sealions - twat!
nuffield
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not ban but licence all dogs. also regulate the breeding of dogs. mke breeders pay for an expensive licence , this would make them think twice. theres jut too many dogs bout and not enough good homes, bit like the horse market really.............
simsav
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I have a staffie and he is the softest, cutest thing, he's 18 months old and has lived with kids from a pup, he loves children. He loves to play and is so gentle.
Any dog has the capability of hurting someone - why is it always the same dogs that hit the headlines!!
Any dog has the capability of hurting someone - why is it always the same dogs that hit the headlines!!
CazD
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Echo - it is nearly always the fault of the owner! We should have compulsory licensing and micro-chipping. If the breeder was obliged to microchip all puppies and each time an animal was sold it was the seller's responsibility to advise the microchipping company of the change of ownershipwe would be able to trace the owners of half of these dogs.
zoesophie
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Oh FFS sake not this sensationalist hype raising its head again
How typical of the Sun - 'devil dogs' - what a load of emotive rubbish
When are people going to realise that in 99% of cases there are not 'bad dogs' there are 'irresponsible or stupid' owners!!!!
I would also hope that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would also realise that not all representatives of one sort of breed can be tarred with the same brush..... in the same way that not all Muslims are terrorists!
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wot she said
Also to add I was at a dog show with my sis and her "dangerous" staff
got attacked by a chiwowa (soz no idea how to spell it
) and everyone assumed it was her staff that started it, yet he tried to jump up to me to save him - hes rock 'ard....NOT
Oh FFS sake not this sensationalist hype raising its head again
When are people going to realise that in 99% of cases there are not 'bad dogs' there are 'irresponsible or stupid' owners!!!!
I would also hope that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would also realise that not all representatives of one sort of breed can be tarred with the same brush..... in the same way that not all Muslims are terrorists!
Rant over now
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wot she said
Also to add I was at a dog show with my sis and her "dangerous" staff
glenruby
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I have to say i agree with LHS its bad owners not bad dogs to blame. Recently seeing practice in England i saw a huge number of Staffies and have to say not 1 of them had a bad temperament and thats even with needles being prodded into them and having their eyes and ears poked. It definitley owners faults.
Possibly it would be an idea that working and large and perceived "cross" breed's potential owners would have to apply for a specal dog licence and enroll in a dog training course with them - rather than imposing it on ALL dog owners.
Possibly it would be an idea that working and large and perceived "cross" breed's potential owners would have to apply for a specal dog licence and enroll in a dog training course with them - rather than imposing it on ALL dog owners.
ecrozier
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Glenruby, I can kind of see your logic but as many people have stated some of the most vicious dog around are the little ones - there is a chihuha (sp?!) walked along our yard's footpath that is HORRID!
Staffs are NOT aggressive dogs by nature, they used to be called the Nanny dog because they were used to look after children.
Like all dogs and as stated by many on this thread, its my opinion that it is very rarely the dog, almost always the owner and circumstances. I own possibly the soppiest rottie in the world, and will have another Rottie after him unless I have a staff - not because of the image (I was given him by a friend who had mived house and couldn't keep him) but because I like their natures!
I would very happily apply for a licence/have a home check/obedience test to keep my dog, but then I have nothing to hide. I think all these things are a good idea but enforcing wll always be the problem.
Staffs are NOT aggressive dogs by nature, they used to be called the Nanny dog because they were used to look after children.
Like all dogs and as stated by many on this thread, its my opinion that it is very rarely the dog, almost always the owner and circumstances. I own possibly the soppiest rottie in the world, and will have another Rottie after him unless I have a staff - not because of the image (I was given him by a friend who had mived house and couldn't keep him) but because I like their natures!
I would very happily apply for a licence/have a home check/obedience test to keep my dog, but then I have nothing to hide. I think all these things are a good idea but enforcing wll always be the problem.
CAYLA
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I will agree with everyone re the tosser ownership...after all we deal with these peope and take their dogs on every day in hope of rehoming them to a sensible home and environment, however owners will never be dealt with accordingly...so the only answer is to enforce some kind of ban/restriction on the more capable of causing severe damage for the sake of those who are placed in danger as a result of this type of incident, otherwise this type of incident will keep on rearing it's ugly head.
I know smaller dogs have a bigger attitude but they are not capable of causing such an immense amount of damage in such a small space of time taking more than brute force to bring under control/restrain.
I for one would love the responsibility to start from the breeder....i.e to be primarily chipped whilst in the breeders care and for them to be held responsible for the dog and to take it back if the need arises..to prevent them ending up in rescues and being passed from pillar to post, it should then be up to the breeder to find another responsible home...whatever the dogs age maybe...after all rescues do this and they don't bloody breed or profit from them.
Breeders should be taxed and registered and breeding should be classe as an income, after all a breeder can make in excess of a persons wage from some types of breeds from 2 litters in a year...tax free
The owner of this dog should have been banned for life and they are clearly not resonsible...but will this happen?.... no
they will be free to go an replace it with another.
IT SHOULD ALSO BE COMPULSORY TO HAVE ALL DOGS INSURED FOR FULL LIABILTY INSURANCE.
I know smaller dogs have a bigger attitude but they are not capable of causing such an immense amount of damage in such a small space of time taking more than brute force to bring under control/restrain.
I for one would love the responsibility to start from the breeder....i.e to be primarily chipped whilst in the breeders care and for them to be held responsible for the dog and to take it back if the need arises..to prevent them ending up in rescues and being passed from pillar to post, it should then be up to the breeder to find another responsible home...whatever the dogs age maybe...after all rescues do this and they don't bloody breed or profit from them.
Breeders should be taxed and registered and breeding should be classe as an income, after all a breeder can make in excess of a persons wage from some types of breeds from 2 litters in a year...tax free
The owner of this dog should have been banned for life and they are clearly not resonsible...but will this happen?.... no
IT SHOULD ALSO BE COMPULSORY TO HAVE ALL DOGS INSURED FOR FULL LIABILTY INSURANCE.
MurphysMinder
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As everyone has said, its not the dogs its the owner. However, couldn't agree more about some restrictions on breeding dogs that have the potential to cause damage. I know chihuahuas can be evil little b's - I used to have them, but the fact remains if they bite you it doesn't really do a lot of damage. The breeders license as it is today is a farce, councils issue it with no knowledge of dogs in some cases, and you have to have more than 2 breeding bitches to need one anyway. Well someone with only 2 bitches can produce quite a few pups, and sell them without any checks. A lot of breed clubs have a voluntary code of ethics for breeders to adhere to, but in my experience the clubs do not check the breeders who sign up to it. Not a big fan of the KC accredited breeders scheme either, which seems to put more importance on show results than responsible breeding. My heart goes out to the little girl and her family, just wish we didn't have to see such sensational headlines everytime there is such an incident.
danni1986
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oh god this makes my blood boil!! Why should these dogs get such a bad name for these irresponsible owners??!!
BUT i do have to say; please dont be too hasty to judge...only because my brother rescued a staffie X from a woman who had bred her to fight, she was beaten daily, she has scars from being stabbed and cigarette stub marks. Now, this dog is so so protective of me and my family, very very aggressive due to what has happened to her. She is muzzled when she goes out and is always kept on a lead, but i still get dirty looks and people coming up to me having a go about my 'dangerous dog'!! its so upsetting as i handle this dog well, so it is of no risk to anyone (shes like an over affectionate lamb around the house)
such a shame, as i love all of the dogs that are now branded 'dangerous'
BUT i do have to say; please dont be too hasty to judge...only because my brother rescued a staffie X from a woman who had bred her to fight, she was beaten daily, she has scars from being stabbed and cigarette stub marks. Now, this dog is so so protective of me and my family, very very aggressive due to what has happened to her. She is muzzled when she goes out and is always kept on a lead, but i still get dirty looks and people coming up to me having a go about my 'dangerous dog'!! its so upsetting as i handle this dog well, so it is of no risk to anyone (shes like an over affectionate lamb around the house)
such a shame, as i love all of the dogs that are now branded 'dangerous'
lachlanandmarcus
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I would be more wary of my Border Terrier around kids (she gets a bit excited if they have a sandwich or cake so might scratch them!) than my Doberman who is a total Scooby Doofah and the vets can do anything painful to him and he never reacts. Border T hangs off his jowls when playing leaving teeth wounds and he tolerates her doing it. All the Staffies I know have been as soft as butter. That said, I wouldnt leave any dog alone with a child until the child was old enough to manage it.
Its individual dogs, not breeds that do damage, and any response should be based on that. I would be quite happy to see compulsory microchipping and insurance, and that might stop the hopeless level of overbreeding of eg Staffies, who end up unwanted in shelters.
Its individual dogs, not breeds that do damage, and any response should be based on that. I would be quite happy to see compulsory microchipping and insurance, and that might stop the hopeless level of overbreeding of eg Staffies, who end up unwanted in shelters.
nijinsky
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BLAME THE DEED - NOT THE BREED
I've had staffies for over 20 years and I've never had a bad one.
ANY dog can turn and EVERY dog in the wrong hands can turn.
I read the other day that people in certain areas are now using "dogs" as weapons instead of knives and guns - what hope do these poor animals have - they are being trained to be viscious. These dogs and others are being used as fashion accessories, the in thing, and a few months down the line they are in Battersea and the likes because they've been ruined.
I've had staffies for over 20 years and I've never had a bad one.
ANY dog can turn and EVERY dog in the wrong hands can turn.
I read the other day that people in certain areas are now using "dogs" as weapons instead of knives and guns - what hope do these poor animals have - they are being trained to be viscious. These dogs and others are being used as fashion accessories, the in thing, and a few months down the line they are in Battersea and the likes because they've been ruined.
Malibu
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Liscenced owners and breeders ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIMPLE SOLUTION
SIMPLE SOLUTION
nuffield
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Very good idea CazD