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I have heard from a vet friend that meadow sweet may contain a controlled or prohibited substance and I am giving my horse a natural bute type of product containing meadow sweet and with the new rule changes I dont want a positive test. I have rung the manufacturer but they say its OK. I have also heard that something in clover and alfalfa contains a prohibited substance. Has anyone else come across this?
 
Meadowsweet breaks down to one of the metabolites of aspirin, and the FEI won't confirm whether or not it tests positive so it is best avoided if you're competing under rules. Feedmark have just removed it from their Ulcercalm supplement because of this. Can't believe alfalfa has anything in not least because the majority of hay in the USA is alfalfa and we would have heard about someone testing positive before now. That said I do not know definitively!
 
But presumably the horse would have to eat an awful lot considering the diets of many top horses contain AlfaA? Interested question rather than accusatory response btw - the two seem to get very easily confused on here ;)
 
SpottedCat said:
But presumably the horse would have to eat an awful lot considering the diets of many top horses contain AlfaA? Interested question rather than accusatory response btw - the two seem to get very easily confused on here ;)
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With Alfalfa they would have to eat a lot but I think vets just mention it to cover their backsides .Red clover is a different thing altogether and the levels can be high.At one stage they were developing an organic version of the pill from clover.
Mares would probably be OK with either, but geldings would fail a test if progesterone was present.
 
Having read this post with interest and also having been to a recent Human and Equine anti-doping education seminar organised by the BEF, I would like to add that Clover and Alfalfa contain Coumarin! This is on the FEI banned substance list! I think that the FEI ‘clean sport’ initiative is a very worthwhile campaign in particular for the benefit of the horse. However, I also feel that the rules have been put in that are near on impossible to comply with completely. For example at the Hickstead Derby this week if a horse tests positive for Cumarin has it been eating natural fodder or has it been doped? I welcome any thoughts, ideas or suggestions on these matters.
 
There is a website called FEI CleanSport banned substances where you can type in a particular her, medication or whatever and it will tell you if it is banned or not.
 
Interesting!

I would like to know the answers too, my horses eat an alfafa based diet, with grass and hay, I wonder if anyone has done trials comparing mares and geldings/stallions.

Also doe the courmarin work like a type of regumate/herbal mare supplement? Could be the answer to all our problems!
 
zimboro said:
Having read this post with interest and also having been to a recent Human and Equine anti-doping education seminar organised by the BEF, I would like to add that Clover and Alfalfa contain Coumarin! This is on the FEI banned substance list! I think that the FEI ‘clean sport’ initiative is a very worthwhile campaign in particular for the benefit of the horse. However, I also feel that the rules have been put in that are near on impossible to comply with completely. For example at the Hickstead Derby this week if a horse tests positive for Cumarin has it been eating natural fodder or has it been doped? I welcome any thoughts, ideas or suggestions on these matters.
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Thanks for this info its worse than I thought does this mean I can only feed hay and not turn my horse out if I'm competeing and does anyone know the withdrawal times?
 
I am not sure about withdrawal times for this and I’m not sure where to find this information. On the FEI site there is some detection times for some drugs but not Coumarin, (not that I can find) but there are many references that say “A detection time is not the same as a withdrawal time” Will somebody please advise?
 
zimboro said:
I am not sure about withdrawal times for this and I’m not sure where to find this information. On the FEI site there is some detection times for some drugs but not Coumarin, (not that I can find) but there are many references that say “A detection time is not the same as a withdrawal time” Will somebody please advise?
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I'm really worried and unsure about all this as I am doing my first big event and I have heard that a number of horses will be tested, also my friends son is a chemistry student and he thinks coumarin levels are high enough in alfalfa to give a positive test especially in the leaner thoroughbred types with a high metabolism.
 
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