Baptism of fire....

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So my first experience of affiliated showjumping at Weston Lawns. Can't say I really enjoyed it much!

I have never seen a warm up ring in so much chaos. There were horses rearing, bucking, broncing, shooting backwards, tanking off etc. And it was so, so busy. I have competed at Eland and they limit it to 8 horses in at a time but here it was a complete free for all. Plus there seemed to be no rules or even common sense about what to do. One man was jumping his horse over a 1.20m oxer though we were warming up for the 80cm class!!

Whether this is normal or whether it was particularly bad because it was an early season show and the winter has sent horses loopy, I don't know. Plus there were LOTS of very young horses in that lower class - I guess they are being produced to sell?

On the first day I witnessed 3 serious accidents in the warm up ring - 2 people broke legs, 1 broke an arm. A horse came cantering past me and fly-bucked towards me missing my knee by what seemed like inches. It was AWFUL.

Last summer I went to a Buck Brannaman clinic and one thing he said which resonated was "You English are crazy. You ride horses you have NO control over and think it's ok because normally they let you!"

I have thought about that a lot since then - all those pre-hack conversations about who needs to be in front/ behind and what pace we can go without triggering a stampede etc. But it rang particularly true at Weston Lawns.

Amber was stressed and tense in the warm up ring but to be fair to her she was actually really good - just a bit hard to steer/direct as she was so distracted.

I was too late to declare for the clear round (you had to declare early which I had not realised) so I went into the Open 80. She jumped clear to fence 9 then had a pole at 10 & 11. So 8 faults. She was napping away from fence 10 as you went past the collecting ring but it was a fairly half-hearted nap, just meant she was not focused on the fence till she was right on top of it.

Day 2 the warm up ring was just as bad and I did very little in there as it genuinely felt unsafe to be in there. Then jumped the 80 CR and the 80 open.

Amber was much more nappy today - there were 2 doubles and she tried to duck out back towards the collecting ring in the middle of both of them. CR was 4 faults for the stop in the middle of the first double but otherwise clear. Then the 2nd class she ducked sideways before both doubles and we were eliminated for 2 stops.

Oh well a very steep learning curve! I guess the warm up ring was good experience for her. And I have learnt she has a tendency to nap so something to work on there. The actual jumping was okayish. She was distracted and quite difficult to ride but she was brave as ever and took on our biggest course so far with enthusiasm. A few more outings and I hope we can start getting her a little more focused on me. She is really good in clinics and at home now. But a fair way to go in a busy show environment to get her brain in gear.

Onwards, but not yet upwards!

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Oh crikey, sounds like a nightmare. Do they have stewards at BS or are you all left to yourselves? I knew there was a reason I never affiliated SJ :eek3:

Well done for making the best of it, and as you say, you've got some useful information about Amber now - some things to work on and some good news that she can cope with a chaotic environment :eek: and she'll learn to stay more focussed with practice. nice pictures too :)
 

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Your experience was normal for BS I think. I'm surprised you don't mention being three strides off a practice fence when someone's helpers start to change the height. I'm not exaggerating. Tried it once, never again.
 

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I've not been anywhere in a few years (maybe 2010 - wow!) but I've never known B.S. as bad as that. That's across quite a few small and big shows across the north, Wales and West and Cavan.

I'd say if it's your first learn from it and pick who you make friends with next time, often there's a friendly mum or groom doing the fence, make friends with them, allies are useful
Failing that be a lot more shouty and get people out of the way. I've never done that, but would have done if needed.

Or things could have changed in 8 years! :)
 

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BS used to have 3 stewards who travelled the country unannounced to shows to ensure safety (doing several shows in 1 day sometimes), but BS made them redundant.

I am very careful which shows I go to, as in I like ones with reasonable sized collecting rings. Yes, I think it being early season does not help. Also being a smaller class does not help.

With a previous horse I waited until we could confidently jump a Discovery class before competing BS, as the collecting rings for British Novice were wild!

I prefer eventing. More space to warm up.
 

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I haven't been to a BS show for years but there were rules as to how high the collecting ring fences could be although whether anyone actually enforced the rule was a different matter! Some venues used to limit the number in the collecting ring but others didn't bother and were IMO dangerous. When my son was jumping it was useful to be in the collecting ring with someone you knew and you could adjust the fences together. In my own competitive days I don't remember collecting rings being as wild as they were when I was helping my son and there were often huge classes back in my day. I much perfer eventing, in general people seem much more courteous.
 

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That does sound like a baptism of fire! But I suppose at least she stayed brave and didn't lose her mind. Shame about the brain-not-quite-on-the-job runouts.

Can't say I've ever known a collecting ring quite that bad, but it's been years since I last did affiliated sj. Plus I learnt early to basically just shout about my intentions to jump a lot

When are you planning your next one?
 

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Not unusual when there’s no steward on. there was a steward limiting numbers at the show I was at this morning but it was still chaos - someone’s horse refused one of the warmup fences, spun, reared repeatedly and then went up and over with them. The rest of us had to slam on the brakes to keep from getting hit/squashed.
Can’t really say it’s unusual, unfortunately...

I always try to time it so that I go near the start, so I can make the most of the collecting ring being nearly empty, but then my horse likes his space and can also boil over in a busy warmup.

Re jumping 1.20 for an 80cm class - You’re only allowed to jump 2 holes (10cms) bigger than the first round fence height so I would remind them of this and possibly report them if they continued.
 

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Your experience was normal for BS I think. I'm surprised you don't mention being three strides off a practice fence when someone's helpers start to change the height. I'm not exaggerating. Tried it once, never again.

Oh yes plenty of that! Not for me though. I hardly jumped at all in the warm up ring as it was far too busy. Fence 1 was my warm up!
 

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Can't say I've ever known a collecting ring quite that bad, but it's been years since I last did affiliated sj. Plus I learnt early to basically just shout about my intentions to jump a lot

When are you planning your next one?

I think being in CR then the lowest class meant I was in with all the 4 year olds at their first show. It can't always be quite that bad. Surely 3 broken limbs in 1 day is unusual for a warm-up ring?! 2 of the accidents involved people on the ground. Eg a teenage kid adjusting jumps was knocked over, breaking tib and fib.

No SJ comps planned - hunter trialling at Wilmslow next weekend then ODE at Kelsall the weekend after.
 

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Re jumping 1.20 for an 80cm class - You’re only allowed to jump 2 holes (10cms) bigger than the first round fence height so I would remind them of this and possibly report them if they continued.

Useful to know for next time. (if there ever is a next time!) Thanks. x
 

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There are BS warmups and then there's WL multi-day show warm up. It is always manic there for that show.
Yes there are rules around warm up heights but nobody takes any notice of them. I would advise against reminding people of the rules. It won't achieve anything other than a slanging match. Best to just get on with warmup as best you can and wehere possible take a helper who knows the ropes and has thick skin.
At WL they operate two rings with main ring jumping much higher than second ring. It's pretty normal for people jumping in main ring to use either warmup arena hence the big practice jump heights at times.
BS is a cut throat business. Money is at stake!
One day BS shows and single ring shows tend to be much better.
You do get used to BS warmups and after a while you do notice that there are rules but they are not the normal warmup rules.
Still good fun though :)
On the plus side if you can survive that show you can survive anything.

ETA if you are competing BS within 40 miles of Northampton and need a ring helper give me a shout. Happy to pop along if free.
 
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Re jumping 1.20 for an 80cm class - You’re only allowed to jump 2 holes (10cms) bigger than the first round fence height so I would remind them of this and possibly report them if they continued.

I wouldn't. The OP I surmise was competing in the Weston Arena in the 80cm whilst others were trying to warm up for the Newcomers in the John Wells arena.
 

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I wouldn't. The OP I surmise was competing in the Weston Arena in the 80cm whilst others were trying to warm up for the Newcomers in the John Wells arena.

Yes but there were 2 warmup arenas - one for each ring. But as PM said, people decided to warm up for Newcomers in both arenas I guess.
I also did not like the fact that you had to walk through both warm-up arenas to get to the ring. Just added to the general busyness!
 

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On the plus side if you can survive that show you can survive anything.

ETA if you are competing BS within 40 miles of Northampton and need a ring helper give me a shout. Happy to pop along if free.

Well that's reassuring! And thanks. No plans yet as I am eventing next, but that is a very kind offer!
 

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I've not competed in 2 years due to rider injury (still got 5 more months until im allowed to get back on!) and the last time I competed in the UK was probably about 2014 as I tend to save my money and jump abroad as its much more pleasant!

I've noticed that in both BS and FEI shows the lower the height the more crazy the warm up is due to the majority of riders having less experience and ring craft than those jumping the bigger heights. in terms of there being lots of young horses they are probably being prepared for age classes which is far bigger than 80cm so unless they were incredibly green and hadn't done any course hires or anything before I would not really expect 4 year olds to be the problem. Most of the 4 year olds I know whilst fresh have seen a bit of the world before they go to a show so the baby moments don't really happen.

I'm guessing this was your first BS? Most warm ups at the lower heights will be hectic regardless of venue. Don't let that put you off, try and go at the start or end of the class when the warmup will be a bit quieter. Just be aware of whats going on around you and dont be afraid to use your voice to call a fence when cantering up to it if people are faffing with it.
 

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Yikes that does sound particularly bad. It can just take 1 to set others off though. Friend took her youngster out yesterday and there was one that was going bolt upright and broncing and she was asked to leave the warmup luckily. Trying to get to the practice fence in the hickstead warmup is akin to crossing the M25! There is kind of a crazy system to it, but you definitely need to be prepared to be cut up.
Sounds like you learnt from the experience at least
 
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