Barefoot poor doer - feed suggestions please?

kezz86

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Hello all,

My lovely big horse who has recently gone barefoot is not doing that well weight wise at the moment, not skinny but has lost some topline and is not looking as I'd like him. (14 year old ISH 16.3hh gelding, super chilled and in very light work)

This is my first winter with him so I don't know what he is like normally but over the summer he had tiny feeds (hand full or high fibre cubes and half a mug of linseed)

He is on ad lib haylege when in his stable at night and is out in a big field during the day but obviously with the winter here the grass is pretty poor. He gets a large round scoop of Spillers high fibre cubes twice a day (breakfast and dinner) with a mug of micronised linseed in each meal too about (500grams?)

I can't put any hay out in the field for the day time as we aren't allowed to feed in the fields :( this would be the first thing I did if I could.

Would also hate to have to keep him in 24/7 as I'm not getting much time to ride and also I would have to keep his best friend in too and she swells up and gets all stiff if she's in too much.

Any ideas on anything I can add to his feeds that may help him? (I'm struggling for ideas as he's barefoot...). I've tried upping the amount of linseed but it didn't make any difference and seemed to just go straight through him...

In the ideal world I'd move to a place where I could feed hay in the field but honestly I've searched far and wide and cannot find anywhere suitable for my two horses needs and my needs. (only place had to close down recently which is why I've ended up here!). Other horse is actually fat with the current set up (getting less hard feed) and having only ever owned good doers in the past I need help please!

Would it be safe to change the high fibre cubes to Spillers conditioning cubes instead? (though they seem to be higher in protein and starch) http://www.spillers-feeds.com/products/conditioning-feeds/conditioning-cubes/


Or perhaps stick with what I'm feeding and add the Conditioning Fibre too?
http://www.spillers-feeds.com/products/complementary-fibre-feeds/conditioning-fibre/

Sorry it's so long... if you get to here and reply I've some yummy home-made Christmas cake that needs eating!
 
I feed my barefoot oldie

Spillers conditioning fibre
ERS pellets or staypowercubes
Alfalfa pellets
Beetpulp
Linseed

You can feed oats for energy I can't as my boy is cereal intolerant. He's 23 and is doing well on this. Everything but the chaff is soaked.

The linseed you can give up to three mugs a day split between feeds I think as my TB x got a fair whack of it when she dropped whilst on box rest (stressed out) .
 
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My barefoot TB is on (when not on box rest grrr) 1 scoop dry weight speedibeet, 1 scoop whole soaked oats and 3 mugs micronised linseed split between 2 feeds + as much haylage as I can get into her. She looks fantastic now.
 
Thanks for the suggestions I'll look in to them.

I'll go along to my local feed store and see what they think too. Hopefully I can find places that stock them around here as I have to order in the linseed!
 
Winergy conditioning or rolled oats; keeps my barefoot ex racer looking fab.

Split between 3 feeds a day mine gets:

3 scoops winergy conditioning
1 scoop rolled oats
2 scoops mollichaff calmer (about the only non alfa source of fibra I can get hold of, he is intolerant and won't eat fast fibre)
2 mugs of linseed

He's in moderate to hard work and is the poorest of poor doers I've ever come across.
 
Oil is really good for putting weight on hard doers, and endurance horses run on it. You do have to start off with just a little, say a quarter of a cup and can build up to a cup full in a feed. I have always just fed Soya oil, all mine are BF and have never had any problems with it.
 
And just a question - is there anything in the field for them to nibble on during the day?

PS: Love Christmas cake, but don't think it will keep to get here, so please eat my share.
 
Another one for oil.

I use veg oil from the supermarket, £10 for 10 litres and I feed a horse the size of yours 500ml a day

I have also recently swapped him to alfalfa pellets, which appear from his weight to contain a lot more goodness than his old pony cubes, though it has been a bit of a struggle to get him to accept them.
 
And just a question - is there anything in the field for them to nibble on during the day?

PS: Love Christmas cake, but don't think it will keep to get here, so please eat my share.

I've eaten so much Christmas cake I could pop!

Yes there's some grass (its a big 10 ish acre field with only 3 of them in) but it's obviously lacking what he needs at the moment.

I've started keeping him and his pal in every other day now to help him out a bit as hay is what he really needs it seems like a fair compromise for him and my other horse. Luckily they are both easy going so don't mind not having a set in stone routine.

Plus its so wet out it give them a chance to fully dry out! and rests the field a tiny bit.

Will have a look into the other feeds suggested thank you so much everyone.

Pic of my handsome lad just because-
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541782_10152044945442065_1755407242_n.jpg
and a pic of him with his best friend-
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/999131_10152044945647065_826210300_n.jpg
 
Another one for oil.

I use veg oil from the supermarket, £10 for 10 litres and I feed a horse the size of yours 500ml a day

I have also recently swapped him to alfalfa pellets, which appear from his weight to contain a lot more goodness than his old pony cubes, though it has been a bit of a struggle to get him to accept them.

Which supermarket or do they all do it?

I think oil could be worth a go too thanks!
 
Atm my boy is on

Pure Condition
Kwik beet
Copra
Linseed
Brewers yeast
Yeasacc
Herbs for immunity
FP Winter hoof balancer.

Again as NikkiMarriet said my guy is the poorest doer I have ever known!
 
My TB who is a poor doer has copra, linseed, oats and plain straw chaff plus pro hoof from pro earth, plus magnesium & salt split into 3 feeds a day, and has done very well on it - he was very thin with no top line due to kissing spines early part of last year, he's now looking great & feeling great (another story!!)
 
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