Barefoot trimming/Strasser links
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Tinypony
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Do you mean make up our minds about Strasser trimming or barefoot trimming as a whole? These links are about well-known cases of cruelty by Strasser trimming. Strasser trimmers do a trim that is very different to everyone else.
I remember in the old days when I was a kid, the ponies I rode never wore shoes and they did everything and went everywhere. A lot of them were just trimmed by their owners, well really just a rasp round and tidy every now and then.
I remember in the old days when I was a kid, the ponies I rode never wore shoes and they did everything and went everywhere. A lot of them were just trimmed by their owners, well really just a rasp round and tidy every now and then.
JM07
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I remember in the old days when I was a kid, the ponies I rode never wore shoes and they did everything and went everywhere. A lot of them were just trimmed by their owners, well really just a rasp round and tidy every now and then.
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i am post 40 yrs of age, and i cannot remember at anytime during my youth, anyone trimming their own horses/ponies feet. Or rasping for that matter.
I remember in the old days when I was a kid, the ponies I rode never wore shoes and they did everything and went everywhere. A lot of them were just trimmed by their owners, well really just a rasp round and tidy every now and then.
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i am post 40 yrs of age, and i cannot remember at anytime during my youth, anyone trimming their own horses/ponies feet. Or rasping for that matter.
Tinypony
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Maybe the ponies you rode belonged to people with more money.
p.s. You didn't answer my question.
p.s. You didn't answer my question.
JM07
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We obviously must have, as i didn't ride for others
AmyMay
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Maybe the ponies you rode belonged to people with more money.
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Are you for real??
Maybe the ponies you rode belonged to people with more money.
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Are you for real??
spaniel
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Am also post 40 and can remember only one or two natives that wernt shod. Everything else had shoes and the barefoot ponies were trimmed/rasped by the FARRIER.
As someone who has seen barefoot trimming up close and personal, including strasser, I would not be happy for anyone but my farrier to carry out footcare on my horses.
The more this debate rumbles on (not just here but in general) the more I realise just how prickly barefooters get if they are asked for a rationale or challenged in any way. The strasser people Ive known have been positively brainwashed and I used to think they were just out there on their own, Im beginning to wonder now whether the whole barefoot thing (trying not to say fad) is going the same way.
Oh and I have both unshod and shod horses so I have nothing against going shoeless.
As someone who has seen barefoot trimming up close and personal, including strasser, I would not be happy for anyone but my farrier to carry out footcare on my horses.
The more this debate rumbles on (not just here but in general) the more I realise just how prickly barefooters get if they are asked for a rationale or challenged in any way. The strasser people Ive known have been positively brainwashed and I used to think they were just out there on their own, Im beginning to wonder now whether the whole barefoot thing (trying not to say fad) is going the same way.
Oh and I have both unshod and shod horses so I have nothing against going shoeless.
JM07
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answer...Both...
as it seems to most "joe public" type of equine owner, to be linked.
as it seems to most "joe public" type of equine owner, to be linked.
Tinypony
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AmyMay - do you have a sense of humour?
I hope nobody thinks I'm a prickly barefooter, I don't care enough about changing other people's opinions to get prickly. Everyone just has to do what they think is best for their horses. I wouldn't force a horse down the barefoot route if it needed shoes for comfort. I have to agree with everyone who condems Strasser trimming, those people are in an evil league of their own. I think it's a shame though to tar everyone with the same brush.
That's probably all I've got to say really, I've been round this discussion so many times it's not that interesting anymore.
Sorry RHT - we crossed. If your answer is both then I can't answer. Regardless of what Joe Public thinks in their ignorance, I'm sure we all realise that Strasser trimmers do take a different approach to the rest. The ILPH has acknowledged this and was it Horse magazine that followed up their article on Strasser with another about the other methods? So yes, my mind is absolutely made up about Strasser, wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, but obviously I don't feel the same way about all trimming. I've recently found a farrier who has studied and uses the KC trim, he's great.
I hope nobody thinks I'm a prickly barefooter, I don't care enough about changing other people's opinions to get prickly. Everyone just has to do what they think is best for their horses. I wouldn't force a horse down the barefoot route if it needed shoes for comfort. I have to agree with everyone who condems Strasser trimming, those people are in an evil league of their own. I think it's a shame though to tar everyone with the same brush.
That's probably all I've got to say really, I've been round this discussion so many times it's not that interesting anymore.
Sorry RHT - we crossed. If your answer is both then I can't answer. Regardless of what Joe Public thinks in their ignorance, I'm sure we all realise that Strasser trimmers do take a different approach to the rest. The ILPH has acknowledged this and was it Horse magazine that followed up their article on Strasser with another about the other methods? So yes, my mind is absolutely made up about Strasser, wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, but obviously I don't feel the same way about all trimming. I've recently found a farrier who has studied and uses the KC trim, he's great.
JM07
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ok, then..
why, if "barefoot trimming" is the same as "farriery" is it marketed as such?
why not just train to be a "farrier"? they trim and balance a hoof, either shod or un-shod?
is it "better" to say my horse is trimmed by a practitioner of "barefoot" rather than a "farrier"??
as another poster has said i'm trying hard not to use the word "fad".
why, if "barefoot trimming" is the same as "farriery" is it marketed as such?
why not just train to be a "farrier"? they trim and balance a hoof, either shod or un-shod?
is it "better" to say my horse is trimmed by a practitioner of "barefoot" rather than a "farrier"??
as another poster has said i'm trying hard not to use the word "fad".
Tinypony
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It isn't. Farriery includes learning to work metal and apply shoes. That's what the farrier said anyway. He also said he's learnt more about conditioning the foot, and he trims differently now that he has studied more widely than his college course.
But anyway... this discussion will run and run.
But anyway... this discussion will run and run.
Sparklet
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Could it be to do with the law - anyone can trim but only a farrier put a shoe on?
sally2008
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I have to agree with you spaniel on the direction the barefoot "movement" appears to be taking. I greatly resent their inference that farriers are in some way inferior to trimmers and nothing more that metalworkers.
cosmo_sam
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I wouldn't force a horse down the barefoot route if it needed shoes for comfort.
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See this is the point at which getting an assessment from a barefoot trimmer comes up short for me.
I have George fully shod, and Dragon is totally barefoot - both done by my farrier.
I have no doubt that if Dragon began to need shoes my farrier would advise me/his owner to, but not for monetary gain, for the horse's benefit. (my farrier prefers trimming really, says it breaks his back less!
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Anyway, my point is, how can a barefoot trimmer give a complete service/assessment, if he/she has no knowledge of the benefits of remedial shoeing etc?
It makes sense that a trimmer would always attempt to recitify problems with trimming adjustments and in some cases that could lead to serious problems. Trimmers just don't have as many options at their disposal.
I consider myself open minded to new things, and am not one to dismiss things as "fads" but on this issue I feel there is a reason the law was brought in to stop anyone other than a farrier carrying out extensive work to a horse's foot.
The old law re just application of shoes needs serious revision IMO.
I wouldn't force a horse down the barefoot route if it needed shoes for comfort.
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See this is the point at which getting an assessment from a barefoot trimmer comes up short for me.
I have George fully shod, and Dragon is totally barefoot - both done by my farrier.
I have no doubt that if Dragon began to need shoes my farrier would advise me/his owner to, but not for monetary gain, for the horse's benefit. (my farrier prefers trimming really, says it breaks his back less!
Anyway, my point is, how can a barefoot trimmer give a complete service/assessment, if he/she has no knowledge of the benefits of remedial shoeing etc?
It makes sense that a trimmer would always attempt to recitify problems with trimming adjustments and in some cases that could lead to serious problems. Trimmers just don't have as many options at their disposal.
I consider myself open minded to new things, and am not one to dismiss things as "fads" but on this issue I feel there is a reason the law was brought in to stop anyone other than a farrier carrying out extensive work to a horse's foot.
The old law re just application of shoes needs serious revision IMO.
Magicmillbrook
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Ditto Cosmo_sam
Anyone doing anthing remotely connected to horses feet should be regulated both for the protection of horse, owners and the farrier/practitioner themselves. I have a fully shod, a barefoot and a shoes in front pony. My daughter used to ride a ride and drive pony that had never had shoes on ever. I am in favour of natural horsmanship as much as possible, hopwever I do worry about 'fads' such as Strasser and the detrimental affect they may have on some very well informed/educated and trained barefoot proffessional.
Anyone doing anthing remotely connected to horses feet should be regulated both for the protection of horse, owners and the farrier/practitioner themselves. I have a fully shod, a barefoot and a shoes in front pony. My daughter used to ride a ride and drive pony that had never had shoes on ever. I am in favour of natural horsmanship as much as possible, hopwever I do worry about 'fads' such as Strasser and the detrimental affect they may have on some very well informed/educated and trained barefoot proffessional.
siennamum
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Ditto, my first pony - (cost£50) was unshod/shod depending upon her workload and this was 39 years ago. The farrier was a super craftsman, 3rd generation and the family are still going strong in Northampton as far as I know.
Used the farrier just as much then as we do now, Horses weren't shod as regularly - there was a tendency to shoe when they clearly needed it rather than every 6 weeks, apart from that it was pretty much the same.
Used the farrier just as much then as we do now, Horses weren't shod as regularly - there was a tendency to shoe when they clearly needed it rather than every 6 weeks, apart from that it was pretty much the same.
Spot1
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Top posting cosmo-sam. I think many people would agree with all that you say. So I'll leave it there.
wizzi901
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I think it is a load of baloney and I suppose farriers must train for years just for the hell of it.
No owner should trim/rasp their own horses feet. I will draw the line at giving injections, after that it should fall to the experts.
Would not let strasser person near my boys and girls.
Sorry if this upsets but seen some crap work by strasser "specialist".
No owner should trim/rasp their own horses feet. I will draw the line at giving injections, after that it should fall to the experts.
Would not let strasser person near my boys and girls.
Sorry if this upsets but seen some crap work by strasser "specialist".
Nailed
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Hello.
Strausser, im my oppinion is cruel. If the angle oof the hoof, and pedal bone were ment to be as this technique will place them, then they would have SURELY evolved by now. However they havent.
My oppinion is the same as expressed, farriers are the ones with all the training and they are trained is trimming as much as in shoeing.
I hope new legistlation is passed soon that says all horses over the age 3 should be shod/trimmed by a registered dipwfc/rss and above only. And it would therefor be illegal to practice strausser and bare foot trimming.
Lou x
Strausser, im my oppinion is cruel. If the angle oof the hoof, and pedal bone were ment to be as this technique will place them, then they would have SURELY evolved by now. However they havent.
My oppinion is the same as expressed, farriers are the ones with all the training and they are trained is trimming as much as in shoeing.
I hope new legistlation is passed soon that says all horses over the age 3 should be shod/trimmed by a registered dipwfc/rss and above only. And it would therefor be illegal to practice strausser and bare foot trimming.
Lou x