Barefoot v Unshod

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It will be lovely to meet everyone.
 
Id love to come (am based in Battle) and would happily donate my horse if needed. Hes a 17hh middle weight gelding who has been barefoot for 2 years now without any problems.
 
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Who knows, if this one goes well and you can point me in the direction of some good fishing in your area my farrier might well be persuaded to
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Are you anywhere near the River Ure?
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Ooooo you lucky thing.
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My OH and I were trying to organise a weekend fishing on the Ure with some friends but they live in Dorset so it was decided we'd go somewhere closer to home to cut down on the travelling a bit. Then a few days later I saw a wonderful TV programme on the Ure, including incredible shots of it being chock full of the species we fish for most of all, so we're trying to get ourselves organised to get up there for a weekend on our own.

If I come back from that and tell my farrier the fishing is bliss you might well be on for him organising a "northerners" farriers / EP day! LOL!
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This is a great idea. Can you keep me posted on what gets arranged please? I might see if I can bring my farrier along if we have enough notice, he keeps mine barefoot and is very open to ideas.
Thanks.
 
I will certainly keep you informed, no problem.

My farrier is busy rounding up the other 3 he thinks may like to take part but we need now is some barefoot trimmers / EP's to come forward (come on peeps - don't be shy!).
 
Ah, my brother is into bass fishing big time (on the south coast) but OH and I fish mainly for barbel. I think you must have fulfilled your stocking promise already - the programme I saw showed thousands of the beauties spawning on the gravel beds, in such numbers you could have walked across the river without getting your feet wet! OH was positively dribbling with anticipation! LOL!
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Excellent, thank you. Hopefully we will have more idea of possible dates next week so I will let you know as soon as I can. No point in holding a one-sided affair!
 
Hi all, I actually just opened a different thread as I had heard about this "challenge" and couldn't find this thread at first. I was basically asking why there weren't any EPs coming forward very willingly? If the farriers are ready to go out and put their reputations on the line, why aren't EPs? My farrier has already confirmed that he will be attending, but said there was only one confirmed EP? If they are so skilled why not come along and show everyone how trimming should be done?
 
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... I was basically asking why there weren't any EPs coming forward very willingly? If the farriers are ready to go out and put their reputations on the line, why aren't EPs? My farrier has already confirmed that he will be attending, but said there was only one confirmed EP? If they are so skilled why not come along and show everyone how trimming should be done?

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I did discuss this with my EP this week, and he isn't averse to going if he is available and if approached, however both he and I know this farrier and his attitude to EPs. We would like to think it will be a genuine, open-minded demonstration, but my EP, whose knowledge is remarkable and who has been at the forefront of equine podiatry and can more than defend his corner, nevertheless has no particular wish to stand in the firing line. The other issue is that he says Equine Podiatry is more than the trim - it is the aftercare and the conditioning programme, along with the attitude of the horse owner - all of these things are important to the success of the approach. I do have a horse who has been saved by barefoot and who is testament to the effectiveness of Equine Podiatry.

He did however ask to be kept informed, so when you have a date let me know and I'll pass it on.
 
I also discussed it with my EP who has said if she is available she would love to go along. Sallyf has got a provisional date of 21st July I think.
 
Hi guys.

The whole object of the day is for it to be an open-minded and frank demo and discussion, giving both "sides" (for want of a better word) the opportunity to show the horse owning public what it is they do and why and provide a showcase for their ideas and techniques, assisting those who attend to make up their own minds on the point. There are four farriers who have expressed interest in taking part so there should be a good cross-section of ages and skills. We will certainly approach the EP assocations direct if we don't receive responses from interested parties through here but as the idea originated from the discussion on the forum we thought we would try here first.

We do have a provision date - Saturday 21st July but what we most need now for this to be able to happen is trimmers / EP's to come forward.

Sadly, I cannot advertise the details on the forum or I will be in breach of forum t&c's so I will be contacting all those who expressed an interest by PM.
 
I very much doubt if any genuine EP's would be interested. Firstly if it is being organised by farriers (natural balance farriers at that) the 'agenda' will inevitably be to 'prove' that a farrier can trim 'as well' as an EP... In which case they will have already missed the point. You cannot 'judge' the work of an EP on the day. It takes time, months to see an improvement and it most certainly isn't about the trim.

So why would an EP want to attend a 'challenge' which has been set up for them to 'fail' in a situation where their work cannot be 'judged' by people who clearly do not understand it anyway? Why would they? As far as I know their work speaks for it'self, and they have nothing to 'prove'...

BTW, there is a lot of misrepresentation out there at the moment. A DEP is not an EP, and Applied Equine Podiatry is not Equine Podiatry. Make sure you get the real thing i.e an Equine Podiatrist see www.aepauk.org
 
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BTW, there is a lot of misrepresentation out there at the moment. A DEP is not an EP, and Applied Equine Podiatry is not Equine Podiatry. Make sure you get the real thing i.e an Equine Podiatrist see www.aepauk.org

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... or an Equine Podiatrist committed to the ongoing training and research of KC LaPierre:

http://www.equinepodiatry.net/
 
Ermmm...

I think you'll find that it is KC himself who insists on the distinction. I.E. He insists that his 'Applied Equine Podiatrists' only follow his teachings exclusively... if they practice Equine Podiatry in it's wider sense (i.e taking into account other expert opinions as well) they are expelled from his organisation.

Ask him...
 
Oh please, that's just politics and should be kept away from the general public! My DAEP is an Equine Podiatrist and the "Real Thing" and I take great exception to any comments that suggest otherwise!

As I posted, either website will give contact to good experienced EP's or DAEP's.
 
It is politics, should the general public be kept in the dark then?

Your DAEP is not an Equine Podiatrist as specifically prohibited by the rules of their own organisation.

Ask them...
 
A DAEP is regulated by KC LaPierre, in my experience, the Gold Standard.

The EPs to whom you are referring veebs have elected not to be a part of this continuing programme of training and appraisal and are now self regulated.

Excellent work takes place under both organisations, but the former is more tightly controlled, therefore to say a DAEP is not an Equine Podiatrist is way off the mark.
 
Well if this is the sort of petty stupid behaviour that is going to come from the UK association, then my opinion of them has just plummeted way down!

A DAEP stands for "Degreed Applied Equine Podiatrist" - what part of Equine Podiatrist cannot be understood from this sentence........!?

I'm with you Lynwood - Gold Standard all the way with DAEP's.
 
LOL! oh dear! seem to have touched a nerve or two!

"if this is the sort of petty stupid behaviour that is going to come from the UK association"

? what stupid behaviour? it isn't, is it?


"DAEP stands for "Degreed Applied Equine Podiatrist"
Does it? Do they have a degree in applied equine podiatry then? I don't think so! btw that isn't a sentance, it's more like a nonsense!


I repeat

"I think you'll find that it is KC himself who insists on the distinction. I.E. He insists that his 'Applied Equine Podiatrists' only follow his teachings exclusively... if they practice Equine Podiatry in it's wider sense (i.e taking into account other expert opinions as well) they are expelled from his organisation."

am I wrong?

To my knowledge not a single EP "elected not to be part of this continuing programme of training and appraisal" and in fact they could still be 'part' of it... at a price...

"regulation" !? What regulation? KC's organisation carries out none, nore does it have any authority to do so. It is primarily a commercial outfit.
 
I share a farrier with GG so I'm sure we could twist his arm if you did a northern one!

Mind you, I'm sure he told me he is also now qualified to to Natural Balance trims (£40) whereas trimming our youngster is only £15!

Stick a title on it and suddenly £££'s go up!!!
 
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I very much doubt if any genuine EP's would be interested. Firstly if it is being organised by farriers (natural balance farriers at that) the 'agenda' will inevitably be to 'prove' that a farrier can trim 'as well' as an EP...

[/ QUOTE ]I think you've mis-understand the whole point of the day. It is to show the difference between the trims/care/methods for THE PAYING customer. It's not about the EP's/Farrier's - it's about educating Horse Owners about the differences.. what they get for their money, what works for their horse, the possibilities of trying a different approach to their horse hooves... if they are not having much luck with their current 'method' well at least that is how I read it.
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In which case they will have already missed the point. You cannot 'judge' the work of an EP on the day. It takes time, months to see an improvement and it most certainly isn't about the trim.

[/ QUOTE ]If this is the case then I am sure that the organisers would welcome a horse that has been trimmed/cared for by an EP as an example of what can be achieved over a period of time. There was no stipulation that 'examples' can't be used - again I may be wrong.
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So why would an EP want to attend a 'challenge' which has been set up for them to 'fail' in a situation where their work cannot be 'judged' by people who clearly do not understand it anyway? Why would they?

As far as I know their work speaks for it'self, and they have nothing to 'prove'...

[/ QUOTE ]Again you missed the point... there is no 'Challenge' or 'Competition' it is about education and highlighting the differences...


Sally2008 I for one would be very interested to come along. I know my horse has improved untold since he has been having NB shoes/trims... he used to regularily loose shoes (at least once a week!!!) - *touches wood* - so far with NB he hasn't lost one!! He now goes 7-8weeks no problem.. however I would be very keen to learn/watch an EP at work... Keep me posted please. K x
 
"It's not about the EP's/Farrier's - it's about educating Horse Owners about the differences.. what they get for their money, what works for their horse, the possibilities of trying a different approach to their horse hooves..."

See www.aepauk.org

'watching an EP work' would not neccessarily 'explain' it any more than half an hour reading this site.


"it's about educating Horse Owners about the differences.."
A Farrier is trained to make and put shoes on horses feet (trimming unshod horses is incidental to their training). An EP is trained to understand the needs of and care for the unshod horse. There really isnt much more you need to know.


"an example of what can be achieved over a period of time"

See website above.

"my horse has improved untold since he has been having NB shoes/trims... "

It will... for a limited period of time. What will you do when things start to go wrong? I would advise contacting an EP (a genuine one, none of whom, as I understand it, will be taking part in this circus)
 
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