Barefooters- pointers/ ideas

But if you dump the horse on those frogs at the moment it will cause pain. Wouldn't it be better to treat the thrush. Then get the horse moving comfortably moving heel first and improve the hoof that way?

I agree 100% about a healthy foot means a healthy frog.....but that frog isn't healthy to start with.

Wouldn't some 'back ground work' of topical treatments and dietry changes be a good idea to start with before other changes?

I'm not wishing to have the last word - I'm trying to learn from you:)
 
cptrayes said:
You don't know what caused the imbalance because you have not seen the horse move, or even stand still in a picture. Yet your first response is to tell the owner in no uncertain terms how to "correct" it and that her trimmer/farrier, who sees the horse regularly is doing a bad job.

What if that imbalance has been put there by the horse to alleviate pain caused in another part of its body? This horse is sound. Would you impose your idea of symmetry on it and risk that soundness?

What if these feet are an enormous improvement from what they looked like in June? Would you interfere and jeopardise the progress that has been made?
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What i do know is that a long toe will increase the moment arm, the horse will put up with that for no time, it will cause it to breakover off center in this horses case to the outside, it will need to aduct its elbow to do this and that will in turn increase the rotational force at laminal junction, hence the medial heel being further forward and high. so yes the imbalance is to avoid pain caused by the imbalance. I bet the op has a job to get this horse to move straight.
 
The OP, opening line was " not looking to open a can of worms" looks like one is well and truely opened:eek:

Interesting feet they are very similar to my 33 year old pony, he had his shoes off after 28 years and is doing well, in light work, his toes are a similar length as farrier is being careful to not take too much off, his frogs are now much larger and unlike the photos are on the ground and healthy. This has taken about 4 months and I feel they are really doing it by themselves with just a little help along the way.
 
Oberon said:
But if you dump the horse on those frogs at the moment it will cause pain. Wouldn't it be better to treat the thrush. Then get the horse moving comfortably moving heel first and improve the hoof that way?

I agree 100% about a healthy foot means a healthy frog.....but that frog isn't healthy to start with.

Wouldn't some 'back ground work' of topical treatments and dietry changes be a good idea to start with before other changes?

I'm not wishing to have the last word - I'm trying to learn from you:)
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Of course, diet, management, treatment topical or oral, But that frog will not heel till the toe is radiused and shortened, call it adjustment period what ever but it needs helping along.
 
A Guilding said:
What i do know is that a long toe will increase the moment arm, the horse will put up with that for no time, it will cause it to breakover off center in this horses case to the outside, it will need to aduct its elbow to do this and that will in turn increase the rotational force at laminal junction, hence the medial heel being further forward and high. so yes the imbalance is to avoid pain caused by the imbalance. I bet the op has a job to get this horse to move straight.
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You have absolutely no idea whether this horse will always break over off centre due to a lack of straightness in his forelegs, as one of mine and thousands of other horses do, because you have not seen it.
 
Oh dear!!

Amandap- Thankies, hopefully get his diet sorted out when feed is finished. More stones that 'get' him so to speak.

And I do feel his feet have shown improvement since June. Ok they aren't perfect but it's a work in progress.

Lots of things to take on board from this.
 
be positive said:
The OP, opening line was " not looking to open a can of worms" looks like one is well and truely opened:eek:

Interesting feet they are very similar to my 33 year old pony, he had his shoes off after 28 years and is doing well, in light work, his toes are a similar length as farrier is being careful to not take too much off, his frogs are now much larger and unlike the photos are on the ground and healthy. This has taken about 4 months and I feel they are really doing it by themselves with just a little help along the way.
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I know, I'm going to get my tin hat & hide!

This horse has been shod all the time I knew him and all the time I had him until something wasn't right. He is an older horse too, again like yours, my farrier is being carefull and doing a little at a time. Which I don't have any problems with.
 
Don't overlook the forage, it has the biggest influence as it's the main feed stuff. :) Have a read here (seeing as I'm in link mode tonight. lol), there's a few really great articles on this site. :)
http://hoofrehab.com/diet.htm

ps. I support a little at a time trim. He he.
 
cptrayes said:
You have absolutely no idea whether this horse will always break over off centre due to a lack of straightness in his forelegs, as one of mine and thousands of other horses do, because you have not seen it.
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Mabe im wrong, but as for angular limb deformity less likely in this case because the arrangement of the horn tubules is very uniform, as is the coronary band with the floor. the heel imbalance and contracted lateral toe quarter and lateral heel flare is far more usual of a straight horse moving badly. I might be wrong but i offer another view.
 
Goldenstar said:
Been lurking in and out of this thread . I am off to bed play nicely.
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Always
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We all need to go to the pub, get pished and 'brainstorm' our way through head to hoof
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I know it sounds like a bunfight - but these are the type of threads to learn from
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