Quadro
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would you allow a vet with no qualifications to examine and medicate your horse???? no then why would you allow a barefoot trimmer over a farrier???
Barefootworks hoof trimming
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dieseldog
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Helen looks after my retired mare in Surrey. I'm not there to watch her every time as my horse lives with my friend, but I do know one important thing. With the farrier trimming, I watched a crack first creep all the way up my mare's hoof from top to bottom, and then for the next 12 months or so the farrier just told me it was the way her hoof was and nothing to be done about it. Helen has been trimming her for about a year and the crack has nearly gone.
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The crack would have gone who ever was trimming her - it takes about 9 months for a crack to grow out. It is a bit unfair to blame the crack on your farrier as it can be caused by anything from a knock to her diet, and it is unfair to asign the cure to the barefoot trimmer as it was always going to happen
Helen looks after my retired mare in Surrey. I'm not there to watch her every time as my horse lives with my friend, but I do know one important thing. With the farrier trimming, I watched a crack first creep all the way up my mare's hoof from top to bottom, and then for the next 12 months or so the farrier just told me it was the way her hoof was and nothing to be done about it. Helen has been trimming her for about a year and the crack has nearly gone.
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The crack would have gone who ever was trimming her - it takes about 9 months for a crack to grow out. It is a bit unfair to blame the crack on your farrier as it can be caused by anything from a knock to her diet, and it is unfair to asign the cure to the barefoot trimmer as it was always going to happen
Tinypony
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The farrier was "looking after" the crack for about 18 months with NO improvement. This horse hasn't had a crack like that before or since. However, another horse that he still looks after has the problem and it's been there for at least 2 years. So cracks don't always go, and I know that good trimming is needed to allow them to close up.
The chips and other smaller cracks always evident in the horses that he trims are due to the fact that he doesn't address flare.
I tell you, I've taken my horses away from his care and the difference between my horses' hooves and the hooves of the ones he still looks after are remarkable.
p.s. I allow a trimmer to care for my horses because I have checked on her training and certification. She has studied widely with good trainers (some farriers) and carries on continuing education. It is possible for someone who isn't a farrier to study how to look after unshod hooves just as well and for just as long as farriers do.
Note, I am not anti-farrier, I am where I am because of shoddy service and work by the only farrier I could find in my area. Many couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phone to return my messages and tell me they didn't want to take on more clients. Having said that, my experience is that changing to my trimmer has improved the hooves of every horse she took over, not just mine, but those belonging to friends as well. So at the end of this argument, there is something in this, even if it is simply that SOME farriers don't take enough care of the barefoot horse.
The chips and other smaller cracks always evident in the horses that he trims are due to the fact that he doesn't address flare.
I tell you, I've taken my horses away from his care and the difference between my horses' hooves and the hooves of the ones he still looks after are remarkable.
p.s. I allow a trimmer to care for my horses because I have checked on her training and certification. She has studied widely with good trainers (some farriers) and carries on continuing education. It is possible for someone who isn't a farrier to study how to look after unshod hooves just as well and for just as long as farriers do.
Note, I am not anti-farrier, I am where I am because of shoddy service and work by the only farrier I could find in my area. Many couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phone to return my messages and tell me they didn't want to take on more clients. Having said that, my experience is that changing to my trimmer has improved the hooves of every horse she took over, not just mine, but those belonging to friends as well. So at the end of this argument, there is something in this, even if it is simply that SOME farriers don't take enough care of the barefoot horse.
arabmania
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be very careful about people who advertise to be barefoot trimmers. there are some dodgy ones out there who really do not have a clue. these people have left wrong impressions and other 'bodies' that are actually dedicated to the horses' wellbeing.
i can honestly say that if you can find a DAEP within your area (KC Pierre) trained then your horses feet will go from strength to strength.
each is not only trained in the foot and whole being and going of the horse but is also trained to be gentle and read the horses body language. their aim is to build a good relationship with our equine friend and to know the horses way of going. ( hence the pics to keep them informed).
they never ever interfere with any part of the foot that isn't ready.... they are trained to read the foot and go from there.
One hint is to always be present to make sure 'live sole' is never ever cut away (as a farrier would do ) this is abrasive trimming and quickly send them away as they haven't got a clue!!!!
i can honestly say that if you can find a DAEP within your area (KC Pierre) trained then your horses feet will go from strength to strength.
each is not only trained in the foot and whole being and going of the horse but is also trained to be gentle and read the horses body language. their aim is to build a good relationship with our equine friend and to know the horses way of going. ( hence the pics to keep them informed).
they never ever interfere with any part of the foot that isn't ready.... they are trained to read the foot and go from there.
One hint is to always be present to make sure 'live sole' is never ever cut away (as a farrier would do ) this is abrasive trimming and quickly send them away as they haven't got a clue!!!!
SpruceRI
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Why is this work not being done by a farrier? Especially if there is remedial trimming involved i would not be recommending barefoot trimmers. They do not have the depth of training.
Three bearefoot trimmers have been charged with cruelty to horses. No farrier has.
As a professional who underwent five years training im sorry but its not something i advocate.
I dont beleive in a 'pasture trim' as the barefoot trimmers love to call what we do. I trim each individual horse according to many factors including work/conformation/use/etc I trim for balance and functionality and will never agree that horses should be landing heel toe (as is a common barefoot encourage trim) as this is not natural and could cause huge damage to ligaments and the internal structure of the hoof.
Just would like to add that as a farrier i am not opposed to horses bieng barefoot which seems to be another misconception
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Call me old fashioned, but I don't understand this 'barefoot trimming' lark!
I've had the same farrier for 21yrs and been more than happy with his trims of my unshod ponies that takes him approx 10 mins per pony including a couple of jokes and a moan about small Shetland ponies that won't stand still
He is a farrier that advocates leaving horses unshod if their hooves are good enough and for the work they do as he thinks it's more beneficial to the structure of the foot if the horse can stand the wear and tear.
Why is this work not being done by a farrier? Especially if there is remedial trimming involved i would not be recommending barefoot trimmers. They do not have the depth of training.
Three bearefoot trimmers have been charged with cruelty to horses. No farrier has.
As a professional who underwent five years training im sorry but its not something i advocate.
I dont beleive in a 'pasture trim' as the barefoot trimmers love to call what we do. I trim each individual horse according to many factors including work/conformation/use/etc I trim for balance and functionality and will never agree that horses should be landing heel toe (as is a common barefoot encourage trim) as this is not natural and could cause huge damage to ligaments and the internal structure of the hoof.
Just would like to add that as a farrier i am not opposed to horses bieng barefoot which seems to be another misconception
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Call me old fashioned, but I don't understand this 'barefoot trimming' lark!
I've had the same farrier for 21yrs and been more than happy with his trims of my unshod ponies that takes him approx 10 mins per pony including a couple of jokes and a moan about small Shetland ponies that won't stand still
He is a farrier that advocates leaving horses unshod if their hooves are good enough and for the work they do as he thinks it's more beneficial to the structure of the foot if the horse can stand the wear and tear.
arabmania
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horses should not land heel or toe first they should be landing even and level and flat.
Horses land flat and then load their weight through the fetlock and tendons,
this then swings back and pulls the foot up off the ground and the last point to break over is the toe.
Their anatomy is not designed to land any other way.
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ouch!!!! not so. please re check the foot of the horse
horses should not land heel or toe first they should be landing even and level and flat.
Their anatomy is not designed to land any other way.
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ouch!!!! not so. please re check the foot of the horse