Bay mare going for slaughter

It is ever unfortunate that a serious thread can be met with the such mentally. Points of point of view cannot be respected when based upon poor humour?

Some people will never get the point and often as on similar threads the point is often lost.

Who cares about their conformation-how many of your own horses have perfect conformation? The thread is not about that, nor is it about indescriminate breeding. The issue is,at the end of the day Live Export.

It is fantastic that clear displays of support are shown for the ILPH and of course each and every one of you has signed the government petition?
The ILPH does do amazing work-but even after over 70 years of campaigning- live export still carries on?
These horses don't have time on their side to wait for change to be made, this is their only last chance!

There is a well known horse sanctuary who saved a horse in a very similar situation, are they too wrong?...
and Is everyone wrong just because they choose to do different to you?

We don't live in a society where we are dictated to, thankfully we have the freedom to do what we wish. Thankfully for some of the horses they have been given as second chance.

I hope Admin allows this thread to continue not just for the fact that it could turn into a useful debate but also because they refuse to be manipulated by some forum members.
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Of course it is, indescriminate breeding fuels the market because it produces animals no one wants. A poor animal costs as much to keep as a good one. We dont seem to worry about all the cats/dogs that get put down & cost no where near the amount that a horse does. If these animals were not bred then they would not be fueling the industry. If the market was not flooded then it would push the prices up beyond making it feasible to send them for meat. You tackle a problem at the source not at the end.
 
I think, in all respect, you are missing my point. The farmers do not care about conformation or which horse they buy in or breed, the sole purpose of horses for these people are to export them for meat. They could have been a very well bred type with great conformation but no longer wanted or needed.

There will always be a supply of horses for the meat market wether indescriminately bred or not- i doubt that will never change.

So if we stopped indescriminate breeding are you telling me that all this nasty live export business will stop-i doubt it.

There are, on the other hand too many horses ending up at horse sales due to indescriminate breeding and that is a serious issue but a seperate one in my opinion.
 
i don't think this is advertising at all i think she is just bringing it too our attention, i actually got an email the other day with this exact websites link on it i clicked it then ignored it, now that i have read it i think its an interesting venture these people are trying to pull off. some of those young horses could be broken when there old and most of them are probibly nice we horses and ponies with a bit of tlc
 
Ok, so you rescue the horse (and probably pay well over meat money & what it is worth), then what? What would happen if all the horses were saved? For argument sake, you save a 1000 horses a year in 5yrs that is 5000 horses, what then? How have you stopped it? And why is it more of an issue then breeding cattle/sheep or any other farm animal for food? The only issue I have with it, is the way they are kept & transported. I dont eat very much meat so it would not bother me if we never bred another cow for the table again. My point is though that we do & we dont see people trying to buy up calfs/lambs to stop them going for meat. Is it because we think of the horse as a pet? When I was younger I would have felt & looked at life differently. I just think sentiment can be taken too far & out of the realms of feasibility. l
 
Can someone please explain to me WHY if they are to be rescued because of going to slaughter,they must be sold together???
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Bit bizarre dont you think(the two black/brown youngsters pictured together,owned by senile person)!!Surely if you want them rescuing they go werever and to whomever??
 
I'm with you on this one Magic104. There will always be people in continental Europe who eat horsemeat because they like it and we will never stop the trade by buying these poor horses. Twenty years ago I would have been crying my eyes out over this but you have to concentrate on what's important which is the quality of their life before slaughter and the actual process of it, being killed quickly with no pain, stress or fear. That is why all horse lovers should support the Hook not Hoof campaign.
 
I can only speak for myself-i did only pay meat money for the percheron we bought.We as other people are were given the weigh bridge document along with the current meat price-you work it out and thats what you pay. I would not have saved one otherwise and as i have said on other posts it was with the intention of raising awareness to the live export campaign through publicity. I talk about the issue of live export daily to people who otherwise would not have known about it, all are directed to the ILPH campaign.
I think it would be unrealistic for me personally to rescue another one because i have done what i initially set out to do. at the moment we have someone very interesed in fostering Sultan from an establishment who will continue to raise awareness 'using' him for further publicity. He is doing a great job and will always have a compassionate and considerate home.

I would like to say though that there should be some caution, especially if individuals go themselves to purchase from these 'farmers' of course they will take advantage.
There are appropriate representatives/organisations that people should be advised to contact if they were interested.

Equine Rescue France in particular are doing great work and are working alongside other well known organisations.
 
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Can someone please explain to me WHY if they are to be rescued because of going to slaughter,they must be sold together???
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Bit bizarre dont you think(the two black/brown youngsters pictured together,owned by senile person)!!Surely if you want them rescuing they go werever and to whomever??

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yeh i thought that! They have been sent to slaughter, so i dont think the owner would be too bothered if they went together or not if they are sick enough to send them to slaugfhter in the first place!
 
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The well known horse sanctuary had a home waiting for a heavy horse. There was a heavy horse up for sale at the mushroom farm (the farm that was closing down), and I think I am correct in saying that people on a discussion group rised funds and brought the horse, then handed it to the sanctuary so it could be re-homed under proper loan contract.
That is not quite the same as a sanctuary "rescuing" a horse by buying it, that is not what happened.
The same sanctuary has since made it clear that this was a one-off exercise, and while they support the ILPH campaign as they always have, they will continue to focus their efforts in the UK.
I could see the point in bringing a few horses over from the fattening farm that was closing, and using them for publicity re the Hook not Hoof campaign. Some of the new owners have really put themselves out to do this, getting publicity in the local papers etc. But a lot who said they would do this have not, so in that respect I can't see how they have helped to tackle the wider problem at all.
 
I think you may find that equine section can only use the information they are given.

On a personal note i agree that you would expect the owner to not mind if they are seperated providing they are rescued.
 
I've just checked, I am right, the sanctuary re-homed a horse that had been purchased by the members of a discussion group. They did this because they had a home waiting. In fact they suspended the fundraising at one point because the home was in doubt, and only proceeded when they knew there was somewhere for the mare to go.
I love horses very much, but accept that the only way I can help them in large numbers is to bring about a change in the law.
 

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In my ILPH thread in News, Chip stated that he/she would never accept that horse meat is eaten across the world. Sophie221 has made her statement above about all/non being good enough to save. When will so-called horse 'lovers' wake up and realise that often, it is better for an animal to be pts, be it for consumption or cremation. There are far too many good horses to save all the bad ones.


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that is just my personal opinion to a comment someone else made that i dont agree with, i have nothing against people eating horses but i never would.
i thought that this mare was once a loved pet? then i dissagree but if the horses are bred for meat thats ok.
 
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You must presume to know a lot to make a statement like that.

It is no scam-you are reading too much into it.



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One thing you can be sure of in life is that somebody somewhere WILL be making money out of this.
 
Blueberry, if you don't mind me asking; how much did you pay for your horse? And how much did you pay to transport the horse to England?
 
i received an email yesterday that led me, through a link, to THAT same website.......

it came through my business email.......

so? you may say?..........

my business is HORSE TRANSPORTATION!!!!!!


WHY would i receive such an email??

i for one found it a tad cynical........................
 
Ok I have to say that my horse was brought over from ireland and the dealer that shipped him over regularly puts horses straight back on the ferry to france for slaughter if they're unrideable/lame etc.

I don't agree with putting them on a ferry to slaughter them (that's a whole other arguement) but are they not going to slaughter for a reason?

It's a sad fact of life but I'd rather a horse was pts than got into the wrong hands or sold on by an unscrupulous third party....

I will add that I didn't buy from the dealer than shipped him over - I brought him from an unscrupulous third party
 
I dont mind answering.

I paid approx £600 for the horse and £300 transport to wiltshire.

Yes someone is making money out of this, at the beginning of the chain is the 'farmer' who sells the horse and the so on.
We dealt with no 'middle man' as such, we paid the transport company (who are very reputable) the monies for the horse and the transport. They paid the 'farmer' on collection of the horse and was given the documents/breed papers from the 'farmer'. This price included any vat and overnight stabling for 2 nights in wiltshire and micro chipping in france.

The transport company involved in this shipment of horses did not charge their usual rates as this was a rescue. They were extremely considerate and would only travel fit horses and with plenty of stops/rests and only on a calm sea.
 
and to add, he travelled to our home with another pony, an 18 month apoloosa, he was bought for approx £400. It all depended on the weight, ours is a percheron-so you can imagine.
 
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You must presume to know a lot to make a statement like that.

It is no scam-you are reading too much into it.

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If it is no scam then why do some of the 'adverts' say they must be sold together?

I also think we have enough of a problem here with our own ponies. You only have to stand at an average British sales and watch the foals going through for 30 guineas a head, and natives going at less than 100 a head to see that if we want to 'save' ponies we should be dealing with our own first. Why bring in another country's cast offs when we could go to a market HERE and save something set for meat for a quarter of the price.

I'm sorry, but I think it's silly to assume that buying these french horses will change anything. I think the opposite, i think in buying them people are fuelling the breeding of them and making things worse. I can just see the french farmers now "LOL them British eejits will buy anything if we make it look skinny and pathetic".
 
For me it wasnt about the money or how cheaply i could buy a horse. Of course i could have gone to the sales here and bought for a lot less money, for example, the dartmooor hill ponies, where there are foals in pens trying to suckle from each other-its heartbreaking , we know they will go for meat (and here we have the issue of indescriminate breeding).
The difference, however is the issue of live export. Generally the said foals that i have used as an example, in general, will go to British Slaughterhouses. It is extremely sad that they will end up there but it is by our own policies here in Britain, at least they will not have to endure a 3-5 day journey to Italy where sadly most would die along the way.
The French Percheron we bought was booked in to go to Italy on the 15th August, he would have had to endure the horrific journey so there is a difference. Lets not forget that the reason he (almost) and thousands of horses do have to endure that journey to their death is because of OUR governemt and othere EU governments-hence the government petition against live export.
He may be their country's cast off but it doesent mean that i could ignore the issue.

Just to add, i think you may find that the one instance where two horses are being asked to go together is because their owner has insisted on that. Maybe due to his mental state but i would imagine if they do not sell privately then they will almost certainly be booked to go to Italy instead. Strange as it is. Equine Section can only put the information on as they are told.

The prices may seem high to some but the 'farmers' who send the horses to Italy get paid a much higher meat price for the horses than anywhere else.

A member from Equine Section has gone out recently to try and negotiate lower prices but they dont need to drop, why should they? and to be honest not all welcome them going privately because its much more inconvenient for them to sell
this way, not when the appropriately fattened ones are due to go in a large group. It takes a degree of pleading with their conscience for them to let them be sold individually.
 
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I dont see it as blatant advertising. Nuffield has nothing financially to gain (unless she/he is on commission!).

But I can see why you do, Tia.


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But should they be exported alive? I dont think there is a need for that the animals could be humanly despatched then shipped.

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Not sure if that was quick reply but that was exactly the point I was making!
 
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