Beagle killed in dog attack

Don’t know if the guy was identified and found or if the police were called and took the dogs?

A bloody Akita/malamute mix put holes in Brig the other week. He should not own a dog that drags him everywhere and he persists in standing still and letting his dog yank at the lead, to ‘socialise’ it. Branleur.
 
I believe the dogs have been seized. ( Quite rightly). Were they mine I would feel obliged to have them euthansied as they would never be safe off lead and unmuzzled around other dogs - beagles are not so small as to be obvious prey.
I think the man may have been walking away in the hope the dogs would come if he left and once there was obviously nothign to be done for the poor beagle.
Poor dog, poor owner.
 
Yes the police have seized the dogs and I have no doubt they will be (rightly) euthanised. If my dogs ever killed another dog like that then I would have them put down myself - as hard as that would be. The owner was reported in one of the papers to have said that he won't see his dogs again because if they aren't destroyed then he would have to rehome them due to the flack he would get in the area if he was seen walking them!! I really hope he is banned from keeping dogs for life!
 
Did anybody watch the video?

I did and while you can't see the attack clearly the sobs of the walker are horrible to hear.

But what you do see is the owner of the dogs in there trying to physically drag first one dog and then the other off and not being able to. He then walks away.

Not justifying anything but just wanted to clarify for those asking about him walking away.
 
I just hate the proliferation of this kind of dog in the UK. Yes, bad owners not bad dogs etc but the amount of damage dogs like these can do is terrifying. I hate that they are seen as status symbols. I understand that it would be rare that they attack a member of their family, but the danger they pose to those not in their family is terrifying. Those dogs were killing for fun - that's not their fault, it's what they were bred to do!
 
criso said:
Did anybody watch the video?

I did and while you can't see the attack clearly the sobs of the walker are horrible to hear.

But what you do see is the owner of the dogs in there trying to physically drag first one dog and then the other off and not being able to. He then walks away.

Not justifying anything but just wanted to clarify for those asking about him walking away.
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Yes, I thankfully watched it with the volume off so couldn't hear what was going on. I saw him walking off as someone who just had no idea what to do in a horrifying situation. However I really doubt that was the first time those dogs had shown dog aggression - the moron should have kept them muzzled in public, at least on leads.
 
cobgoblin said:
Dear God!... How disgusting... And to think that guy says the dogs are gentle with his 3yr old daughter, until they're not.
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bonny said:
Truely horrific, these dogs just have no place in people's homes, just have to hope they have been destroyed already and maybe someone, somewhere will think again about what they consider to have as a pet. To think that they lived with small children.
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Why do you assume that the dogs aren't good with people because they attacked another dog?
 
We all think we'd know what we would do when it happens but when it actually happens it's a different story.
Having said that, 'dragging' an attacking/already attached dog will cause further tearing/stretching to the victim :(

The dogs had no collars and leads and he was holding the leads in his hand by the looks of it.
 
cobgoblin said:
Dear God!... How disgusting... And to think that guy says the dogs are gentle with his 3yr old daughter, until they're not.
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MotherOfChickens said:
It might not be wholly rational but I'd not want very small children-given to jerky movements, squeaking and running around strong, powerful dogs with a high prey drive.
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Their drive is towards fighting other dogs, not humans - that's not what they were originally bred for and therefore they have no desire to do so (quite the opposite, in fact).

Statistically, you have more of a chance of being bitten by a Labrador than any other breed of dog.
 
SpringArising said:
Their drive is towards fighting other dogs, not humans - that's not what they were originally bred for and therefore they have no desire to do so (quite the opposite, in fact).

Statistically, you have more of a chance of being bitten by a Labrador than any other breed of dog.
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yes, I realise that-hence the 'not wholly rational' phrase.

but eta statistically there are just more labradors. I worked as a VN for years, I saw all kinds of different breeds PTS due to dog-dog and dog-human aggression. I still do not see any reason for the likes of the dogs in the report to be kept as pets and I would rather be bitten by a lab, than whatever that thing is in the video. I would still not have very small children using that (or any tbh) dog as a pillow or as a play pal.
 
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SA - that is partly to do with the prevalance of labs - as far as I know there aren't actually any stats that take into account the number of dog/human interactions without bites.

CC - agree. First time my dog was seriously attacked (by a very posh off-lead ridgeback) I just yelled at it and waited for the owner to intervene (not fast enough, espec as it turns out it has history - most dogs in the area have scars from it it seems and it cost me hundreds in stitches!). The second time it was two bull types from the other end of the social spectrum and I improvised with an (open) umbrella (fortunately no vet treatment required by luck of the one that had him picked up in jaws only eating his harness!).

In both instances my dog was on a lead (to start with anyway) and I consciously avoided pulling back.

I've since read that the most effective things to do (if you want to - I've never tried either and am not recommending at all) are booting the attaching dog in the ribs hard enough to break the ribs or jabbing something long into the mouth and levering it open. I'm not sure what I'd do if it happened again tbh...

ETA: I wouldn't let any child out of arms reach when around potentially badly trained/anyway clearly out of control carnivores bigger than the child (or frankly any bull breed at all). Especially if the child is with another dog.
 
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Those dogs are nothing more than a penis extension. Seems so easy to claim these dogs aren't a banned breed by saying they're cross's - should be made to prove it. Ok - you're saying it's a cross, we think its not, prove us wrong.

I'd have a lot more dogs on the band list personally.
 
Dano1223 said:
Those dogs are nothing more than a penis extension. Seems so easy to claim these dogs aren't a banned breed by saying they're cross's - should be made to prove it. Ok - you're saying it's a cross, we think its not, prove us wrong.

I'd have a lot more dogs on the band list personally.
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I hate ignorant comments like yours - I have Staffies and I'm a woman; last time I checked in with myself, I didn't want a penis.
 
SpringArising said:
I hate ignorant comments like yours - I have Staffies and I'm a woman; last time I checked in with myself, I didn't want a penis.
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Neither dog involved is a staffie. One is a ridgeback cross, the other is a Bully Kutta. I made a slightly similar comment above - I am aware how lovely staffies are, particularly with their families, but I stand by my concerns about the amount of damage that breeds of dog bred to fight can do in comparison to most other breeds.
 
I thought that we had a Dangerous Dogs Act. Oh …. it seems that we have.

Considering that the guy appearing to walk away without a care in the world, was carrying two leads, we can only imagine that he was the one in charge of or supposedly had control of the aggressors. I didn't watch the entire film or read the remainder of the article, but have the dogs been put down and has the owner been charged, does anyone know?

Alec.
 
SpringArising said:
Why do you assume that the dogs aren't good with people because they attacked another dog?
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It shows the dogs are totally out of control, and no child should share a space with any dog that would do this. I wouldn't leave a child unsupervised with any medium or large dog if they are under the age of 12. Or any baby or toddler with any sized dog.

eta: I have four dogs. Two are a giant breed and I even have it written into my livery contracts that no children should be allowed to interact with the dogs, even though they have never attacked a person and love people, but they are not great with other dogs (though never attacked one) and so they are never walked off the leash.
 
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I think it is possible to disagree with BSL while still acknowledging that some breeds should NOT be pets. Neither of the dogs that participated in the killing of the Beagle are on the banned list. Having said that, the so-called "Bully Kutta" looks remarkably like a Dogo Argentino and the Rhodesian Ridgeback x Staffie looks like a Pit Bull type, both of which ARE on the banned list. Hmmmm ....
 
Dano1223 said:
Those dogs are nothing more than a penis extension. Seems so easy to claim these dogs aren't a banned breed by saying they're cross's - should be made to prove it. Ok - you're saying it's a cross, we think its not, prove us wrong.

I'd have a lot more dogs on the band list personally.
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That's exactly how the BSL element of the DDA works.
The owner has to prove what it isn't, not what it is.
And because there's no insistance that actual breed registries keep DNA on file, then it's very hard to prove.

If it looks and acts like a banned breed 'type' including measurements, as ruled by an assessor, then it is one, in the eyes of the law.

None of the breeds on the banned list in the UK are recognised by the Kennel Club (which isn't a classic registry as it doesn't hold DNA as a matter of course) and the English KC isn't in the FCI, which dictates most breed standards, although they may have a memorandum of understanding or a working agreement or something. No, me neither.
 
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CorvusCorax said:
That's exactly how the BSL element of the DDA works.
The owner has to prove what it isn't, not what it is.
And because there's no insistance that actual breed registries keep DNA on file, then it's very hard to prove.

If it looks and acts like a banned breed, including measurements, then it is one.
None of the breeds on the banned list in the UK are recognised by the Kennel Club (which isn't a classic registry as it doesn't hold DNA as a matter of course) and the English KC isn't in the FCI, although they may have a memorandum of understanding or a working agreement or something. No, me neither.
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And sadly a large majority of dogs seized are destroyed (whether of good temperament or not) because their owners won't go to court to try to keep them.
 
As the owner of a staffy i do think all these types need to be kept on a lead. Not banned, as that has not worked in any manner it just makes them more desirable and more very vad crosses being made. Have worked with many and obv as i said own one, and while many are very easy and loveable they 90% have dog issues. Its literally how they were bred. Its a lot of the time owner too, but i never got my dog as a penis extension namely because i havent got a penis, but also i don't live anywhere near an estate...i got one because i wanted a rottweiler and wasn't allowed one so looked around for a smaller dog that was still not the fluffy little yapping type. Shes never been into other dogs, and any other dogs take a while introducing to her...its never instant and she will only accept certain personalities. If a bouncy fluffy type ran up to her, not gonna lie shed rip it to sheds (or at least she would have in her older days, now shes got no teeth and is too old to worry about that kind of thing) and none of this was down to me training her to do it, i very much tried to train it out of her. But she was and never would be trusted. I read on the internet once that her sister was the exact same, despite both mum and dad being KC reg "good examples" its just how it goes. Just like how so many collies and crosses have chasing problems. Its how they were bred. I will say though that most bull breeds were bred to be good with people, but a lot of the crosses people use were not. When you cross a guarding breed with a fighting breed you can get a monster.

I feel very sorry for the beagle, but i also feel sorry for the other dogs. I think some bull owners want so hard to prove their dogs are nice people they forget that they are so volatile by nature. For example i would not walk to walk a beagle through a field of rabbits, but a bull probably wouldnt even look at them.You can't ignore history when you have a dog, no matter how good you train them.
 
apercrumbie said:
Neither dog involved is a staffie. One is a ridgeback cross, the other is a Bully Kutta. I made a slightly similar comment above - I am aware how lovely staffies are, particularly with their families, but I stand by my concerns about the amount of damage that breeds of dog bred to fight can do in comparison to most other breeds.
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It’s a Ridgeback X Staffie.

And yes, I don’t disagree with that. They are powerful little ******$ but what I do hate seeing is when people say “It attacked another dog therefore it must be dangerous towards humans and should be put on the Dangerous Dogs Act list!”
 
GirlFriday said:
I've since read that the most effective things to do (if you want to - I've never tried either and am not recommending at all) are booting the attaching dog in the ribs hard enough to break the ribs or jabbing something long into the mouth and levering it open. I'm not sure what I'd do if it happened again tbh...
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A few years ago I had three dogs attack mine whilst I was seeing to my horse, it was on an army base and the dogs belonged to a security guard....privately owned not security trained dogs....some squaddies heard me shouting and came out of the barrack block opposite and about 4 of them then booted the attacking dogs in the sides which made them release mine and she shot into the barracks for cover. On my own I would never have been able to get all three to release her but the booting method did work.
 
WorkingGSD said:
And sadly a large majority of dogs seized are destroyed (whether of good temperament or not) because their owners won't go to court to try to keep them.
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Now I KNOW it isn't the fault of the dog, but that can't be taken in to mitigation. Were more of these dogs confiscated and put down, then the breeders would find a dwindling market and so would curtail their activities, a little. The lad who rides about in a car with no tax or insurance will have it confiscated and crushed — destroyed and those with dangerous dogs should (must) face the same result.

As equi says below, the mixing of breeds which have a capacity (attitude and ability) even if it's only apparent in one side of the mating, are all so often owned by those who we wouldn't trust with a poodle.

equi said:
…….. . When you cross a guarding breed with a fighting breed you can get a monster.

I feel very sorry for the beagle, but i also feel sorry for the other dogs. I think some bull owners want so hard to prove their dogs are nice people they forget that they are so volatile by nature. For example i would not walk to walk a beagle through a field of rabbits, but a bull probably wouldnt even look at them.You can't ignore history when you have a dog, no matter how good you train them.
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With the cross-breeding of the dogs under discussion, they have only one intended use.

Alec.
 
GirlFriday said:
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I've since read that the most effective things to do (if you want to - I've never tried either and am not recommending at all) are booting the attaching dog in the ribs hard enough to break the ribs or jabbing something long into the mouth and levering it open. I'm not sure what I'd do if it happened again tbh...

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Booting dogs which are having a scrap generally works, but when dogs such as those which are under discussion are in a state of frenzy, then short of a gun which no one would have with them, the best answer is to turn away and let them finish what they've started. Pain simply doesn't work when terriers of any size are focused on one thing, indeed it simply drives them further forward.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
Now I KNOW it isn't the fault of the dog, but that can't be taken in to mitigation. Were more of these dogs confiscated and put down, then the breeders would find a dwindling market and so would curtail their activities, a little. The lad who rides about in a car with no tax or insurance will have it confiscated and crushed — destroyed and those with dangerous dogs should (must) face the same result.
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Oh how I wish that were the case. Unfortunately they just go out and buy a new dog and the cycle repeats itself.
 
With this particular case being a staff/ridgeback - you have a hunting dog crossed with a fighting dog. That was only ever going to go one way eventually. The other is a fighting/guard breed, so will attack and fiercely defend what it sees as its own property. I think the owner was naive...i don't think they were a horrible person or only having these dogs to have a big rep. As for him walking away when the dogs attacked...one training method to get your dog to follow IS to walk away..but its not going to work in this instance..again naivety of the owner.

For future ref, with these lock jaw types, one of the best ways to get them off is to grab their two hind legs and lift them up, pull their tails or stick something up their anus if you need to. You're not going to come off well if you get in front of that dog and they generally don't respond to any side or front stimulus. This is how they got pulled off by their owners in a fight, soo...
 
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