Beautiful Flatcoats

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I said to Chiffy that I'd post these pictures on the morning thread but they're so beautiful I thought they deserved their own thread. Does anyone else have flatties they would like to share pictures of?

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Oh my goodness thank you JB. I always wish I could add pictures. It was such a lovely day up here yesterday so the dogs were happy to pose in the garden!
Abbey is my oldest girl who will be 11 in July. Teasel is liver and just turned 6. Sonnet is the newest addition at 11 months.
 
Absolutely beautiful. I actually thought flatcoats were all black, do you get mixed litters with a liver gene or are they like chocolate labs?
 
RunToEarth said:
Absolutely beautiful. I actually thought flatcoats were all black, do you get mixed litters with a liver gene or are they like chocolate labs?
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Yes I thought they were all black too, but love the liver colour, particularly as brown coats don't usually look as sleek as black, but theirs definitely do.

They are beautiful Chiffy. My aunt is on her third flatcoat now and they have all had such beautiful, kind, genuine temperaments.
 
Thank you for your kind replies. Flatcoats have extremely kind and friendly natures. They are highly intelligent and trainable but do have a sense of humour and fun.
The liver gene is recessive, so two blacks can have livers in a litter if one of the blacks carries the gene. My oldest dog is from two blacks that could not produce liver but the same sire to a different black bitch that carried the liver gene, produced a liver bitch who became Teasel’s mother. Teasel’s father was black.
Sonnet is black but out of a liver bitch related to my oldest dog by a black sire.
Livers were accepted into the Kennel Club after the war.
You can get yellow flatcoats but they are not an accepted colour although there is a lobby that would like them to be.
 
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I love flatcoats. I was looking for one when Bruno (Irish Setter) wiggled his way into my home, and my heart. ONE day, I will have a flatcoat..
 
Lovely dogs, I had a lovely morning this week helping a friend take a litter of 8 x7.5 week old flatties (6 black, 2 liver), mum is liver, dad black, to the vets for their pre sale KC assured breeder health check. She has a house full of flatties (and a few borders) the dogs will work on a shoot one day, have a bath and do a Crufts qualifier the next.

They're one of the few gundog breeds that don't have working or show types. The same dogs do both jobs.
 
Yes Thistle I saw you were the privileged one who got that job! Lucky you!

That’s one of the best things about flatcoats, working qualification are encouraged alongside the showing. There is no difference in type.
 
Chiffy said:
Thank you for your kind replies. Flatcoats have extremely kind and friendly natures. They are highly intelligent and trainable but do have a sense of humour and fun.
The liver gene is recessive, so two blacks can have livers in a litter if one of the blacks carries the gene. My oldest dog is from two blacks that could not produce liver but the same sire to a different black bitch that carried the liver gene, produced a liver bitch who became Teasel’s mother. Teasel’s father was black.
Sonnet is black but out of a liver bitch related to my oldest dog by a black sire.
Livers were accepted into the Kennel Club after the war.
You can get yellow flatcoats but they are not an accepted colour although there is a lobby that would like them to be.
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That’s really interesting, I’d love to see a yellow one! My OH had a flatcoat when I first met him, she was a bit of a nightmare but having met several out shooting since, I think it was due to her training, or lack of.
 
Chiffy You can get yellow flatcoats but they are not an accepted colour although there is a lobby that would like them to be.[/QUOTE said:
Now now Chiffy don’t even think about opening that can of worms !!!!!!!!

My girls are all black, I love the way a black coat shines and looks like polished jet. Will try and take an up to date Meera photo tomorrow, Tiva has no coat post puppy and Lily has a poorly foot atm.
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Satinbaze, I didn’t know they existed until last year and I have had flatcoats for forty years! Presumably it was the same for livers once.
I had heard that blacks are more predominant in the show ring because their coats show them off better. I always had blacks but decided as a flatcoat owner that I ought, in my lifetime have one liver. In fact her coat can look absolutely gorgeous.
 
spacefaer said:
What car was he driving?
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Ha ha, that made me laugh! Lexus 4x4, actually. No, my bad, a lucky older lady was walking him and he was walking to heel beautifully.

I think I’d only for for a black one, like Zak’s mate. I’ll see if I can find a pic of the lovely Jess, a local boy.
 
Thistle said:
Lovely dogs, I had a lovely morning this week helping a friend take a litter of 8 x7.5 week old flatties (6 black, 2 liver), mum is liver, dad black, to the vets for their pre sale KC assured breeder health check. She has a house full of flatties (and a few borders) the dogs will work on a shoot one day, have a bath and do a Crufts qualifier the next.

They're one of the few gundog breeds that don't have working or show types. The same dogs do both jobs.
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I think I know who you are talking about! I have two Hugo Bogmonster sons ;-)

No idea how to post photos unfortunately
 
satinbaze said:
Now now Chiffy don’t even think about opening that can of worms !!!!!!!!

My girls are all black, I love the way a black coat shines and looks like polished jet. Will try and take an up to date Meera photo tomorrow, Tiva has no coat post puppy and Lily has a poorly foot atm.
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How did yellow occur, do you or Chiffy mind explaining it to me, as posters who understands the breed? Presumably if only black and liver are accepted, the breed has been crossed with a GR or LR at some point to throw a yellow? And if so how were they allowed to be registered with KC legitimately?

What happens if you have a mixed litter with a yellow, can you register it, do you have to declare it or endorse it? I’m fascinated now!

Our WGR pup we bred from my bitch last year gets a lot of comments about her “flatcoat” face, which I don’t see at all when you look in comparison to a flatcoat.
 
The origins of the yellow is unclear but there do appear to be two types. One with black nose and 1 with brown nose. It is a recessive gene and some dogs that carry liver and yellow gene are actually black in colour. Yellow pups can be registered but colour is "non standard". They can compete in all KC activities including being shown however because the colour is non standard they cannot be placed in the show ring. On the flatcoat database there is a list of dogs and bitches that carry yellow so breeding two carriers together can be avoided.
There is however a faction that wants yellows to be recognised as they maintain they are healthier. Personally I do not understand this argument as they come from the same breeding that produces black and liver. JMHO in my eyes a flatcoat is black.
 
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