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My delightful little **** of a youngster decided a few days ago to double barrel me when i dared to say "no"... unfortunately i wasnt quick enough to move and im now sporting a very sore stomach still... (no marks surprisingly...just extremely sore)....

Since then she will and does turn her backside towards me (and will lash out), if i ask her to move/respect my space.

I do use a whip (schooling), she isnt scared of it, not does she even respect that.... my other mare is terrified of it and sees it and gallops off (i DO NOT paste my horses btw....- although i feel like pasting the youngster quite honestly....)!!!

she turned her backside on me tonight as i had put my hand in my pocket for my keys she thought i had food (i dont give treats in the field...!), i said no and she turned round and attempted to show me her backside....yet again.

So before this gets totally out of hand...what can i do?? Ive already lost confidence in her and i cannot afford to get seriously hurt because of my job....

I am selling her - but i need this issue sorted before i do! (shes rising 2 btw - if she was rising 3 id give he a job to do)!

thanks
 
i launched a feed bucket, a whip and other nasties at her - shes thick.... seriously thick... she just stands there

although from another viewpoint...its bombrproof lol! :D
 
Our mare can be a madam like this , we have a small paddock , and I send her into it , broncing and kicking, then I send her away with a long line , waving arms and growling, I do both reins and tire her out...if she dares to show any bad manners I send her off untiil she lowers her head and starts being nice , then she gets a scratch and a rub,might need a hat and gloves for it , but works for our mare who can be a b*tch at times.....worth a try ??:rolleyes:
 
When you go to the field, put her headcollar on so that she can't turn her back end towards you. If you want to check her, tie her up and stay close/leaning on her. It hurts a lot less if they do kick out. I would try to create situations where she can't help but do the right thing and don't give her the opportunity to turn and kick out at you. Do you walk her out in-hand? My gelding loves going out on a little walk more than anything.
 
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I do walk her for handling - not as much as i should as i only have my two horses in a field and one goes nuts if i take the other away (i know bad..)

I have her headcollar on when i handler her but shes utterly rude and has a foul temper, barges and tbh im not the strongest of people

id like to sell her and get something less complicated tbh....but then im stuck with one horse!...(which lives out alone so couldnt happen)

so unforunately i dont like her.....cant work with her easily but cant get rid :/

I will stick her headcollar on and if she starts being a cow i will stick a long line on her and send her out (we have a field and no small bits that im willing to churn up)
 
have a control halter already....will put it back on her :)

she has a seriously bad attitude...she came from living out all her life, to good grass/good feed and feeling very full of herself.
 
My old mare did this when I took her haynet out, was a good job I had the haynet for protection! Took the lunge whip out with me, I didn't hit her with it but was able to be t a safe distant and get her away from me. Then the next day we had some serious talkings on the lunge and she never did it after that!! You need to get some good ground work in, be really firm! Make sure you have hat and gloves. She does what you want when you want, bak her up, move her round, do not let her invade your personal space. I don't mamby pamby around mine. My 5 yr old is still learning though ;-)
 
How about bitting her and doing simple in-hand training to get her listening to you? Walking and halting on command, turning left/right, weaving around cones, walking over trotting poles etc... My grey picked up vocal commands very quickly, was obedient and actually tried to get it right - which was a surprise as she was a bit of a rat-bag for rearing as a yearling.
 
thanks - ive tried backing her up (im not frightened of anything on the ground but i am very very wary of this one!)... she just pushes against me

She will barge etc tonight i used a whip and long lead rope and my arms to shoo her back which worked but i know it wont be long before she turns and kicks out

My other mare i got when she was just backed, she would push me, so gave her a bloody goo crack and that was that. she has been lovely ever since.

shes not two yet but is it bad to stick her on a lunge line and make her shift using a whip away from me? (not actually lunge her but teach her a lesson of s.p.a.c.e!!?)




ets - she has been bitted/had a roller/girth on - took to it very very well. if she was almost 3 id back her and stick some manners into her that way - but shes onyl 2 in november - hence why i want a swap for somethin golder!
 
Ok I'll get shot down in flames here but I'd put the control halter on, if she turns I would paste her one! Sorry to all the bunny huggers but that behaviour is bad and very dangerous. My gelding is a push over TBH but as a 3 yo went through a phase and when leading especially to load he would twist round to try and kick. He got a schooling whip over his arse hard! Never did it again. They are young and trying it on and no m not one for beating submission! In hand work is VERY important, occasionally a short sharp shock does the trick, and you know what us girls are like when we throw a strop! Hope you heal quickly:)
 
Posting this and then going to hide :p

A nice prickly yard brush has always worked for me. My oldie tried it once 31 years ago, met the yard brush and has never done it since :D

Seriously though it gives them a shock without doing any harm. I would prefer it to hitting, although either might be necessary. You cant risk having a horse which get the upper hand and double barrels you. It could have been your head or chest and that can kill.
 
if she turns I would paste her one! Sorry to all the bunny huggers but that behaviour is bad and very dangerous.
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The thing that would worry me - is that from the description - this filly would fight back and that it could be very dangerous fro noodle_ to take this approach.

ETA.

A nice prickly yard brush has always worked for me
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^ Might be a good thing to try, especially as you can keep out of the kicking zone while prickling her hindquarters. Although if you can throw a bucket at her, she might ignore this too?
 
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Smiffyimp I was just about to type the same thing. I hardly ever hit my horses but the one thing I will not tolerate is nasty behaviour!!! I personally would of given her one hard whack with the whip across her bum. The reason she is behaving like this is coz she has no respect for you. How do u think they sort out the pecking order in a herd? I don't condone beating or anything but this behaviour is dangerous and needs to be stopped quickly. And I would def be doing a lot of ground work with her
 
It sounds like she has no respect for you at all. I'd chase her away from me every time she turned her bum. Don't be scared to give her a few good smacks if that's what it takes- but if you are going to hit her, make sure you really mean it. Better one hard smack than lots of useless ones.

She needs to learn that you're the boss.
 
smiffyimp said:
Ok I'll get shot down in flames here but I'd put the control halter on, if she turns I would paste her one! Sorry to all the bunny huggers but that behaviour is bad and very dangerous. My gelding is a push over TBH but as a 3 yo went through a phase and when leading especially to load he would twist round to try and kick. He got a schooling whip over his arse hard! Never did it again. They are young and trying it on and no m not one for beating submission! In hand work is VERY important, occasionally a short sharp shock does the trick, and you know what us girls are like when we throw a strop! Hope you heal quickly:)
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I'm with you on this one - a couple of good hard smacks with a schooling whip to emphasis that this is not acceptable. If you don't get on top of this now then at some point she's going to get dangerous enough that she needs put down so a couple of pastings now is preferable to that.

I would advise wearing a hard hat and a body protector whilst handling this mare for now to protect yourself.
Good luck
 
I'm so glad someone else said it first! I'm another who would give a decent smack - with a lunge whip if necessary to keep some distance.
 
I agree with Smiffy.

I don't mean a little tap, I mean really whack her one. My last competition horse had a FOWL temperament, he was supposed to be a stallion but was gelded because he didn't have the right attitude. He was riggy, bossy and downright mean, he would physically lean over his stable and bite someone passing by for no reason, and if you weren't careful he'd drag you over.

I turned my back on him once...

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That was a bite, and yes it's still scarred two years later.

But he only ever did these things with me once, he eventually learnt to behave himself around me, sadly though he was still a d*** to everyone else. He also kicked me once and smashed my hip, but he never kicked again.

To me it sounds like she has no respect for you at all, get a short jumping crop and bloody well use it! If she barges you, whack her chest. But only if she barges, if she is just planting then don't as it's a little excessive but if she refuses to respect your personal space then you need to make her.
When she turns her backside on you, absolutely whack her with the whip. At the end of the day she is willing to hurt you so don't feel bad about it.
Also horses are far too big and dangerous to be allowed to think that they are the boss.
Make sure that you have the whip hidden from her though, only pull it out at the last minute or else you might find that she will behave herself when you have the whip but if she see's you without it then she may take liberties. So try to keep it hidden from her.

Sounds like you need to start getting really tough, trust me once she knows what she will get she will stop with the bad behavior. And you said that she's thick, well no matter how thick she is she will have a pain response, even the stupidest of animals can learn that if they do a certain action then it results in pain.

Best of luck!
 
Do not use a schooling whip!! It is perfect arms length! I made this mistake, said mare was tied up and climbing the stable wall so I picked up the whip and smacked her on the bum and she kicked out and got me square on the knuckles! ;-)
 
Normally I'd say run at her screaming, waving arms etc & if needed boot her one back. But in your situation I agree with faracat, she sounds like she has no respect for you & it isn't likely to end pretty. Imo you should avoid situations she is likely to kick, & work on her all round respect/ manners. And preferably get experienced help to show you how to do that. And doesn't sound like she has a bad attitude at all. Just sounds like a youngster who's never been taught the ground rules, & now your experiencing the consequences.
 
im really glad someone posted about pasting her.


shes had serveral damn good smacks with a whip (and im not adverse to pasting them)....she was literally non-reaction.... didnt bother her.


I have thrown buckets at her arse before and she dosent react. Theres not a doubt in my mind she would fight back if i went at her with a whip/brush etc (i have bought a brush today btw with the thought of trying her feet again etc)

The control halter is ok - but im thoroughly tempted to handle her solely with a bridle on for the time being - as then i have more control to yank her round (shes incredibly quick with her back legs...)

I openly admit ive bitten off more than i can chew!...and my mother hates her....she has told me "get rid"....i cant just "get rid " though - im going to try sort her out and sell her asap.
 
I have found a stallion chain very handy with rude and ignorant youngsters. What is going on now is not acceptable and you need to get on top of it before she really hurts you.
I would handle her in a head collar and chain with a whip or alternatively spend time with the pressure halter teaching pressure release.
You take, she gives, you give. Good mantra to remember with dominant and tricky horses.
 
I would use a full cheek bit, as you wont be able to pull it through her mouth and it will help you to turn her.

ETA. Does your mare ever tell her off? I don't mean ears back - but real nasty face, nipping her (sometimes breaks the skin) and driving her away with her head low - proper telling off?
 
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kirstie said:
I have found a stallion chain very handy with rude and ignorant youngsters. What is going on now is not acceptable and you need to get on top of it before she really hurts you.
I would handle her in a head collar and chain with a whip or alternatively spend time with the pressure halter teaching pressure release.
You take, she gives, you give. Good mantra to remember with dominant and tricky horses.
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Agree with this: use a chain to control the head end, and spank the arse end good-o if she so much as thinks about threatening you. Better than yanking on the mouth, especially if it is an uneducated mouth. You can use the chain HARD if needs be. Horses are bigger, faster and liable to do serious, not to say fatal, things to you if they do not have respect and manners.
 
Better than yanking on the mouth, especially if it is an uneducated mouth.
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You are right. I wondered about suggesting that she got an arab halter for her filly, but then thought that it would possibly be too harsh?

I do think that it would still be a good idea to get this filly fully used to a bit and do some training with her in it too.

ETA. I'm just not convinced (I know I haven't met this particular filly), that spanking her will actually work.
 
I don't think hitting her will work. I have worked with a few similar and the chain helped install the necessary manners.
She needs to learn what is acceptable and what isn't.
 
My youngster double barrelled me a few times when she was rising 2, for no other reason than she could. She would chase me in the field, once she got to me she'd turn her back end on me and let me have it.

The last time she did it she put me on my back. I sprang back up in such anger and booted the cow bag back.
Funnily enough she's never done it since, and is now lovely :D

It was a massive turning point, and when I thought about it afterwards I realised why. It's exactly what another horse would have done.

Now a sharp no is enough, occassionally a slap on the shoulder to go with it. She's still only 3 and constantly tests me but she knows not to push her luck.

I know some wont agree with my actions, but there is no way in hell she was going to continue behaving this way, she can do me serious damage and it had to stop.
 
I know some wont agree with my actions, but there is no way in hell she was going to continue behaving this way, she can do me serious damage and it had to stop.
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I agree with you, it is dangerous and does need to stop. It's just I have learnt so much since I got my gelding and one of the lessons that he taught me was that there are some horses that you mustn't slap/hit/spank/whip as they see your level of aggression and raise their's in response.

I think that the skill is recognising which horses need which particular approach with their training.
 
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