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So, rumour has it, as rumour will, that the BEF may be negotiating a substantial deal with the very same Meydan that has been so implicated in endurance scandals...
 
Nice to see people wait for facts to come out first before dragging endurance up again.
 
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Well, it may affect all the disciplines, not just endurance, if it comes to pass so not really about just endurance and the problems there. Sorry if it seemed like a dig - not meant at all. I wonder how the other disciplines members will feel is all.
 
This comment under Pippa's blog sums it up for me:

Makes me so angry. The UAE and FEI are destroying the sport. What is going on in this discipline? The apparent horse abuse and the blatant and seemingly acceptable (to FEI) rule breaking, cheating and fraud must make all other sporting codes wonder what G7 have done to mean they can get away with anything.

Welfare agencies enter stage right…….someone needs to step in and actually protect the horses because it appears the FEI sure as hell won’t.

Problem is the welfare agencies are powerless as well against the rich, narcissistic, spolit brats that now control the future of the sport.

The sport is doomed.

Stop selling your horses to G7!!!!
 
Well worth the read.

Talk about corruption, it oozes from them; how can they ever be respected again and what does it say about equine welfare in all this - which is the cornerstone of EDR - or it was but not if they're involved.
 
Formal announcement has happened. Rumour is BEF has been bought for sum of one million. How many people from other horse sports will refuse the money that will shortly be on offer from BEF on moral grounds???? You can betcha the money won't be going to EGB who, despite their public support (as a BEF puppet what else could they do), must be rueing the lost sponsorship money.

Do you realise the number of FEI endurance riders in the UK numbers under 30? All this fuss for such a small minority. Also, ay EGB rides the non-FEI classes financially support the FEI classes (even though many FEI riders and their trainers are very rude about grass roots riders referring them as old women who just want to go for a trot around the hill). These Euston rides, which are not controlled by EGB in any way, clash with two or the six available EGB FEI rides in the calendar, so they will make already small class unsustainable. The joke is they are saying it is returning to a 'technical' course. Rubbish, Euston is one of the easiest rides around, second only to Kings Forest (also an FEI ride). When will they run it over a truly technical course where riders (even middle eastern ones) can't belt around at stupid speeds and have to map read rather than the follow one marker to the next?
 
I'm glad someone else is running the rides, the less British Endurance has to do with them the better. I don't want any of the money. What makes me very cross is that many of us are trying hard to tell people UK endurance is nothing like UAE endurance, and here we are seeming to welcome UAE endurance racing here. I want EGB to publicly say their organisation wants no involvement with this, since they are meant to be representing the membership (fail, again) and this is the position of many members.

Also fuming with the BEF for helping this farcical situation to carry on and escalate again.
 
Wow Pip6 do you realise how much of a sour person you come across as with that post! Have you ridden around Euston and Kings Forest yourself?
 
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Wow Pip6 do you realise how much of a sour person you come across as with that post! Have you ridden around Euston and Kings Forest yourself?
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I've crewed at both, inc FEI. To me tough rides are the likes of GHS. I'm not sour, I just get very upset at all the equestrian abuse being swept under the carpet (I witnessed skeletal horses with saddle sores being used at EP so abuse DOES happen in the UK by these countries) in the hope to get a few quid from these countries. It's amazing what can be bought, including silence. I have no price.
 
Oh I didn't realise you hadn't ridden but only crewed at these rides you must know how to ride them and you must know if they are technical or not. Just good to see you tar all the British Fei riders with the same brush.
 
You'd hope that the British FEI riders would use a bit of integrity in this. Why would you want to be a big fish in a small pond when you get tarred by association with the nastiest of practices?
 
If any British riders have more than one horse they may have to use these rides to get qualifications, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place and being called every name under the sun won't help.
 
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If any British riders have more than one horse they may have to use these rides to get qualifications, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place and being called every name under the sun won't help.
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I get a bit tired of being expected to get the violins out for the handful of riders with numerous horses and not enough events to qualify them all at. I don't want to call anyone names but maybe if these people could just rein in their personal quests a little and be content for the time being with being a) already successful, b) able to qualify their top horses and c) already in a privileged position. There is no "rock and hard place" just a limitation they might have to live with - as happens when you don't have bottomless pits of money and aren't prepared to sponge any from unethical sources.
 
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If any British riders have more than one horse they may have to use these rides to get qualifications, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place and being called every name under the sun won't help.
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What I don't get is why they want to be in the same rides as those cheaters, I wouldn't even want to be in the same room as them. I certainly wouldn't want to be seen supporting them which is what they're doing by taking part. If people stayed away from those rides, both riders and volunteers/stewards, the message might get through to the hierarchy which has accepted the money.
 
It's interesting that the BEF didn't feel their own national federation (EGB) were up to the job: that doesn't happen in any of the other disciplines does it? Can we expect to see HPower take on dressage, eventing and jumping next? These rides are a farce in every way and have no integrity.
 
Flame I get tired of hearing vitriol from a certain few but you don't hear me complaining. Why should the Fei riders just be 'content' with a limited amount of competitions just because you don't like the idea of extra fei rides.
Maesfen tarring everyone with the same brush again.
 
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Flame I get tired of hearing vitriol from a certain few but you don't hear me complaining. Why should the Fei riders just be 'content' with a limited amount of competitions just because you don't like the idea of extra fei rides.
Maesfen tarring everyone with the same brush again.
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Nobody minds the idea of extra FEI rides. They only mind the dirty money they are being financed with.




Can we take it that you are involved with FEI rides, you seem to be getting very defensive? No one is accusing you of treating your horse the way many Arabs are treating theirs. Or are you proposing to amputate your horse's leg if he breaks it rather than putting him to sleep? Or chase him over the finish line with a car? Or fake his qualification record? Or swap horses with the same name?
 
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Steerpike said:
Flame I get tired of hearing vitriol from a certain few but you don't hear me complaining. Why should the Fei riders just be 'content' with a limited amount of competitions just because you don't like the idea of extra fei rides.
Maesfen tarring everyone with the same brush again.
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Nothing to stop them travelling like other sports do surely? And why 4 extra rides at the same venue?
 
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Flame I get tired of hearing vitriol from a certain few but you don't hear me complaining. Why should the Fei riders just be 'content' with a limited amount of competitions just because you don't like the idea of extra fei rides.
Maesfen tarring everyone with the same brush again.
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Nothing to stop them travelling like other sports do surely? And why 4 extra rides at the same venue?
If people want to change what is a happening perhaps individuals need to take more of a stand given that the organisations seem to be struggling
 
Ycbm and that's why a lot of fei riders don't bother to say anything.
Ester why not have 4 in the same place and you will find fei riders do travel some distance for the UK rides.
 
I meant internationally. Europe is pretty close. Why not 4 in the same place? - well because that will be 4 very similar challenges biased to those who suit that sort of course which to me seems daft when there aren't that many in total
 
Because it costs more money to go abroad than to compete here and there are rides run every year at the same venue and with the same route so you could say that about all endurance rides.
 
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Ycbm and that's why a lot of fei riders don't bother to say anything.
Ester why not have 4 in the same place and you will find fei riders do travel some distance for the UK rides.
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I don't understand you, sorry.

I was asking why you are getting as defensive as if you had been accused of abusing your own horse.

Putting aside the fact that you want more FEI rides, does it not bother you the source of the funds that would provide those rides? Or are you convinced (though I note that the latest penalties for UAE riders are in the news in the last day or two) that they have got their act together and are now clean? And if not, how dirty does the money have to get before you would reject the rides?


I not trying to needle you, honestly. I am just seriously confused why you would want to have anything to do with money from such a source.

RIP Splitters Creek Bundy.
 
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Because it costs more money to go abroad than to compete here and there are rides run every year at the same venue and with the same route so you could say that about all endurance rides.
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Of course it costs more but pretty much every other equestrian competitors do it to get qualifications, if competing internationally they would expect to do so. A ride ran once a year at the same venue is not the same as running 4 rides in relatively quick succession at one venue essentially making it much easier for a certain sort of horse to get its quals than others.
 
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Flame I get tired of hearing vitriol from a certain few but you don't hear me complaining. Why should the Fei riders just be 'content' with a limited amount of competitions just because you don't like the idea of extra fei rides.
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Because it would gain them respect and the support they would like, because it would put EGB under less pressure to remain involved with UAE endurance and their money, because it would encourage all the members who are dissatisfied with the direction UK Endurance is taking and who are leaving, resigning and getting fed up with various issues not to give up yet, and because the society cannot afford these few extra rides without money many participants will not accept.
 
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Ester maybe some fei riders do not have team aspirations, maybe they just want to support the fei rides in the UK?
Ycbm I am not getting defensive I'm just stating my opinion, is that not allowed because it is different from you and a few others?
 
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Ycbm I am not getting defensive I'm just stating my opinion, is that not allowed because it is different from you and a few others?
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You are the only person on this thread who has expressed the wish that others do not post.

I'm sorry, you sounded defensive to me. Perhaps you could explain why you want to take the money from people who abuse horses? So far, all you've explained is that you want the rides.


How dirty does the money have to get before you would reject it? Does horses breaking front legs just below the knee on a flat course due to drug use and overwork not bother you enough?
 
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