BEF Futurity

[elijahasgal]

But not all that have decent pedigress & considered high powered are unsuitable for lower level riders. Just like not all TB's are unsuitable for novices because they are all hot-heads. Or all cobs are suitable for novices.

These discussions have been going on for as long as I can remember & beyond. Nothing is perfect but gradings, the BEF Futurities etc are better then nothing.

I think that you will find the MAJORITY of people who are against what is going on in the Futurity.etc, would rather a standardised system
KWPN x-rays have to be clear when the stallion grades, Hanoverians they can have OCD prevalant.

Maybe it is time that we have our own standards. That even if these foreign horses stand in this country, they have to conform to OUR rules and our standards. Nothing is going to stop the import of semen though. And no I am not on about GRADING, I am on about the health, x-rays, DNA for anything hereditary.

What we also need is a catagory for young horses that have injured themselves, as there are a few about, with all the qualaties that we want to be breeding from.

But then to exclude them from the Futurity for being from as yet unlisenced stallions? You miss a fantastic chance to assess new stallions, that may be passing on exactly the qualaties that we need, and identifying them quicker, AND helping owners improve their knowledge.

Without being funny, a huge amount of the warmblood market is bloodline to bloodline, without a clue as to what confirmation faults need improving. I would be willing to bet though that the studs that are producing the best stock have the old values, assessing confirmation, assessing weaknesses and strengths, and the ability to improve mares with the correct stallion.

 

[magic104]

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But then to exclude them from the Futurity for being from as yet unlisenced stallions? You miss a fantastic chance to assess new stallions, that may be passing on exactly the qualaties that we need, and identifying them quicker, AND helping owners improve their knowledge.

Without being funny, a huge amount of the warmblood market is bloodline to bloodline, without a clue as to what confirmation faults need improving. I would be willing to bet though that the studs that are producing the best stock have the old values, assessing confirmation, assessing weaknesses and strengths, and the ability to improve mares with the correct stallion.

The argument is that if a horse has not been under saddle then you can not truely asses their temperments. We all know that horses on the ground can be totally different when under saddle & being asked to work. The other issue is never knowing if that same horse would have stayed sound in regular work. This is why there is no black or white, right or wrong. The proof is in the offspring, but a horse can have many offspring before any issues come to light. Foals are not good enough to evaluate a mare or stallion it is their offspring under saddle that matter.

 

[Springs]

Whilst I maintain the graded sire only rule is a bad move, I totally agree with anastasia. The rule is there, the choice is ours.
Interestingly, I understand there are still quite a few dates and venues available this year. Places filling more slowly than previous years. I know official word is that entries are unaffected by the ruling but only time will tell.
Sadly I think in the event of it being decided this was a mistake and ruling being reversed in future years (unlikely) the damage may already have been done. I find it so sad that one or two people with huge ego's think that they know best and everyone will accept that, and do as they're told.

Yes the choice is ours, and after supporting the futurity since the begining we have decided not to present our 4 youngsters this year! As a small breeder we found the futurity ideal, you paid £50 and had you youngster assessed by professional evaulators..... such a shame.

But looking to the future we don't realy need the futurity anymore, it would be nice to go and get some feedback etc, but now we have the contacts of a number of top riders who are chasing us for the rides on our youngsters which speaks volumes for our breeding program and the use of unlicened stallions and mares.

 

[sporthorseP]

have people found that a good futurity result makes a youngster easier to sell or adds value?

Friend of mine is thinking of having her youngster graded next year as she plans to sell him on as a potential eventer, but just need to know a few more stats on it all really!