berefoot shoeing do you agree or disagree???

cptrayes said:
I'm not surprised they are in uproar Tallyho. Nylon legwarmers when they sweat will certainly give them a nasty case of mud fever. Natural fibre or nothing, surely?.
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TBH I think the legwarmers just cover up the gout (berefoot) caused by all that Carlsberg consumption.

Get them off the booze send them to the gym and there will be no need for all this investment in legwarmers
 
LucyPriory said:
TBH I think the legwarmers just cover up the gout (berefoot) caused by all that Carlsberg consumption.

Get them off the booze send them to the gym and there will be no need for all this investment in legwarmers
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But Lucy/Tallyho how long will it take for them to transition from their berefoot state, and surely if they have been on the Carlsberg for years, that will be terribly cruel to put them through such pain?



ps Tallyho, never has the middle of your siggy seemed so appropriate :D

pps I am now late for my dressage competition. I hope the judge doesn't mind a bit of mud. Bye!
 
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Help please my friends farrier got a thorn stuck in his foot and I - sorry, my friend stood him in the urinary gravalis version of pee gravel to try to draw it out, before putting a sock on over the top. However despite the calesberg his foot now has a big lump in it and he stinks of wee. He is having trouble shoeing my horse whilst standing on one foot, please help! Should I, sorry I mean my friend cut the lump out? I tried putting a fish in a nappy on it but the fish stank too much and im pretty sure its dead... should I make him eat fish fingers tonight?
 
cptrayes said:
But Lucy/Tallyho how long will it take for them to transition from their berefoot state, and surely if they have been on the Carlsberg for years, that will be terribly cruel to put them through such pain?



ps Tallyho, never has the middle of your siggy seemed so appropriate :D

pps I am now late for my dressage competition. I hope the judge doesn't mind a bit of mud. Bye!
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:D I should link it to this thread...

Good luck!
 
Naturally, I think your friend has the right idea... It's what goes in that counts! All this topical solution is just masking the whole problem!
 
Naturally, you, I mean your friend should get your farriers diet checked pronto. A correct balance of fish & carlsberg will help him grow feet strong enough to crunch thorns.
 
I know.this is tempting fate a bit but here goes....

I am a barefoot trimmer!!(gasp!)

I did A year long course, practical and theoretical, including disections and case studies. There is also an additional year to specialise in pathologies, which I have deffered from for the time being due to other work commitments, as I decided not to set up in buiness as a barefoot trimmer as its hard to change peoples mind sets! So I just trim for friends who r interested or don't know where else to turn so ask for my help.

Barefoot trimming takes longer than a farrier trim, and generally costs more as it is holistic. We look at the horses movement before and after a trim, foot balance, the type of work required of the horse, diet, management, tack fit, and behavioural issue. An inital consult can take up to
2 hours (including photos of all feet). Follow up trims are 45-60 mins. Including paperwork which explains the condition.of ur horses feet, any treatment program and if they r fit enough for the work u want to do.

We can also adivise if a vet or other professional involvement may benifit.

I believe in each to their own and whatever works for u, I'm not here to brainwash any one, but if I was given the choice I would chose an experienced and trained barefoot trimmer over a farrier. I have gone down this road through my own experiences of horses being lame after a farrier trim, but sound most of the rest of the time, so wondered why this was?

There are good and bad in each camp no doubt, but I have a biological science degree, as well as animal science with.behavioural studies and I understand and fully support the science behind barefoot verse shod.

If the hoof is balanced, there is good nutrition and no underlying conditions. There is no reason a horse cannot do everything a shod horse does. If other conditions affect the foot this may just take longer and more cara
I do not agree with horses bring kept with sore feet whether barefoot or shod, so will boot and Pad/adjust work load accordingly. Unfortunately because shoing a horse interferes with the blood supply in the foot as it cannot expand and contract as it weight bares, this also affects the nerves, so just because a shod horse isn't always footy when a bare horse.might b. Doesn't mean that the same damage isn't happening in his foot. He just cant feel it!. Personally I'd rather know about it so I could treat it and prevent any further damage or pain!

Just my 2 peneths worth!!
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Thanks Waltzing Matilda.

So, just to clear a few things up... are you allowed legwarmers, and are they 100% Merino Wool?

Thank goodness it's getting warmer, soon we wont have to worry about prunes.

Oh, and do you require beer?
 
Lol! Just read most of this thread... Shame I didn't spot it last night as would've told Farrier to remove shoes and socks today if I'd known. Mind you I'd forgotten the Carlsberg so he may not have been keen.

What colour leg warmers are best? I'll have some ready for next time! :):):)
 
Waltzing Matilda post illustrates exactly I why have trouble with the approach of some BF trimmers.
I want my trimmer to trim my horses feet he is 90% self trimming how you could make that take one hour is beyond me.
I dont after over forty years experiance need someone to give me behavioural advice.
IF I what my tack sorted I use the saddler that I have had build saddles for me for the last fifteen years.
If I want Bitting advice I contact a specialist or consult my trainer .
I am more than able to work out if I need a vet to my horse.
I don't need a trimmer to give me paperwork to tell how fit my horse is or what work to do worth it.
When I took my first horse barefoot I read a couple of books recommended by people on the forum it not rocket science it's simple.
I tweaked the diet adding mag ox was the main change .
I do have a trimmer we chat I ask questions he asks me questions .
I know I could ring him if I need to, he has been very helpful in getting the best boots for my horse but basically his advice is use your common sense and horse sense and it will be ok.
 
Can you use alpaca wool leg warmers, if you are only trimming mountain and moorlands?

Now, I did type leg wormers by mistake. That was silly, because your choice of leg wear when worming, is an ENTIRELY different thread....
 
Inthemud said:
Can you use alpaca wool leg warmers, if you are only trimming mountain and moorlands?

Now, I did type leg wormers by mistake. That was silly, because your choice of leg wear when worming, is an ENTIRELY different thread....
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I go for the rubber socks when worming........ some might think a little kinky but all over rubber is great for when they spit the wormer out all over you :-)
 
That's 35 minutes of my life that i'll never get back :D


And guess what............

My horse is as of last Wednesday 'berefoot'


But she is on a years gardening leave ;)
 
Inthemud said:
Can you use alpaca wool leg warmers, if you are only trimming mountain and moorlands?

Now, I did type leg wormers by mistake. That was silly, because your choice of leg wear when worming, is an ENTIRELY different thread....
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Only if you knit it using old rasps :D
 
If its natives I also find it handy to stand the barefeet farrier in a small pit to level up the height distance, they'll thank you for it. If you throw in some grapes you can get them to make you some wine at the same time.
 
Noooooooooooooooo my iPad!!!! I just snortled wine all over the blinkin thing reading little legs post... The mental image was just priceless.
 
Sorry Tallyho. And just to clarify, lycra leg warmers only for wine making farriers, nothing worse than moulting leg warmer in the alcohol.
 
As long as he hasn't got athletes foot, I can cope with alpaca in me wine... I will use a tea strainer for that.

Presumably beer must be consumed beforehand??? I heard wine before beer, farrier turns out queer....
 
Yes, as per the rules always offer carlsberg first. If he tries to get at the wine first, syringe the carlsberg in. A good barefeet farrier will supply his own tea strainer, but be careful to check he is registered FIFA (foot infection free association) first.
 
A syringe??? This is getting too scientific for me.

Should I call in the brewers yeasts?
 
I'd go for pink leg warmers, Mayb purple if that's all u could get! Not sure about larger, I am much more of a pear cider girl myself! Or a glass of red, so I'm totally with the grapes idea.

I think for the person who didn't like my comment Mayb I should clarify. The 45 mins covers assesment of movement before and after trim, and even if the hoof does 'self trim', they tend to grow quicker than they wear away when they r balanced and conditioned correctly, or may become unbalanced if there is a problem elsewhere, so that it why the time and care is taken.

I would not offer advice to someone that clearly didn't need it, but it is offered as part of the service for those that do, as we are trained to a greater or lesser extent in this areas too. For example if tack didn't fit. I would strongly suggest a saddler came out and made adjustments. That is not my role. I am qualified however to talk about nutrition, but I also can recommend a very good independant nutritionist, should it b needed. U would b supprised how many people over feed there horses, or feed them incorrectly, just because they follow tradition. As for bits I am a complete hippy and am a fan.of Dr Cooke bitless, but that's a whole different thread to start bashing on about!! Lol!!!

However as I Said, each to their own. I'm not here to judge anyone its personal.choice and interpretation. It's wot works for me and now several.of my friends!

Now back to this wine business.....
 
Definitely red. In some countries they do throw in apples to make cider, but that's rather backwards imo, wine more refined. If your farrier has a correct diet of carlsberg he'll have no trouble crunching peach stones, then he can make you schnapps.
 
littlelegs said:
Definitely red. In some countries they do throw in apples to make cider, but that's rather backwards imo, wine more refined. If your farrier has a correct diet of carlsberg he'll have no trouble crunching peach stones, then he can make you schnapps.
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PMSL :D:D !!!!!!!!!!!
 
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