Best chaff for ulcers

[nutjob]

I’d look for a fibre alternative like fast fibre….

Fast fibre has these ingredients, including straw and oat feed which you state (incorrectly) are cereals

Nutritionally Improved Straw Pellets, Molasses Free Beet Pulp, Oat Feed, Linseed Expeller (5.7%), Grass Meal, Di-calcium Phosphate, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Mint, Fenugreek, Organic Soya Oil, Yeast, Fructo-oligosaccharides

not sure i would feed rapeseed oil or wheat straw to a horse that has had ulcers or has acid issues.

but you are recommending fast fibre which has nutritionally improved straw pellets

as cereals, alfafa and rape seed products are big NOs for me.

but you are recommending fast fibre which contains straw, which you say is a cereal, it is not

you have not educated me Oat straw is a cereal straw and where oats come from hence I would never feed any cereal type product to horse with stomach issues

You are contradicting yourself again. If you genuinely believe straw is a cereal and shouldn't be fed to horses with ulcers why recommend fast fibre whose main ingredient is straw - it doesn't make sense.

 

[Spirit7]

Have a great day yourself. I am glad you have learned something

also just had a quick look as I like to be helpful and although my post stated what I would not feed not what was in your particular choice of feeds you took it as directed at what you said you feed.

Baileys lo cal. Alfalfa meal, distillers grains, wheatfeed.

I suggest the names are self explanatory and am sure you know what DDG and wheatfeed are.

I’ve already covered the product in your chaff being Alfalafa. Baileys notably don’t list the full ingredients online just a general composition which they say can fluctuate (sugar/ starch) so I would need to read the brown label on a bag if I ever came across it…I’m sure you have already done that !

 

[nutjob]

Baileys notably don’t list the full ingredients online

Baileys list the full ingredients on their website for all their products eg low cal balancer: Alfalfa Meal, Distillers’ Grains, Wheatfeed, Micronised Soya Beans, Dicalcium Phosphate, Micronised Linseed, Vitamins and Minerals, Molasses, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Chloride, Calcined Magnesite, Yeast Culture, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, ScFOS (Digest Plus prebiotic) 5g/kg.

But it's there for all their products.

 

[Spirit7]

Fast fibre has these ingredients, including straw and oat feed which you state (incorrectly) are cereals

Nutritionally Improved Straw Pellets, Molasses Free Beet Pulp, Oat Feed, Linseed Expeller (5.7%), Grass Meal, Di-calcium Phosphate, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Mint, Fenugreek, Organic Soya Oil, Yeast, Fructo-oligosaccharides


but you are recommending fast fibre which has nutritionally improved straw pellets


but you are recommending fast fibre which contains straw, which you say is a cereal, it is not

You are contradicting yourself again. If you genuinely believe straw is a cereal and shouldn't be fed to horses with ulcers why recommend fast fibre whose main ingredient is straw - it doesn't make sense.

Agreed but I would always feed FF before any Alfalfa product which I would never . yes I wouldn’t feed rape seed products or any cereal derived product to a horse with ulcers- and yes I agreed with the contradiction but know from experience FF is the best of all the feeds mentioned as there is not much available unless you feed Agrobs as I do. I try to help from experience and as I said FF is way better than the others. If you disagree you are welcome too. As another said we all have our own preferences- what amazes me is how upset people get when asking for opinions.

 

[Spirit7]

Baileys list the full ingredients on their website for all their products eg low cal balancer: Alfalfa Meal, Distillers’ Grains, Wheatfeed, Micronised Soya Beans, Dicalcium Phosphate, Micronised Linseed, Vitamins and Minerals, Molasses, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Chloride, Calcined Magnesite, Yeast Culture, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, ScFOS (Digest Plus prebiotic) 5g/kg.

But it's there for all their products.

Thanks I found it on another website as per my post where I listed first 3 ingredients but I couldn’t see it on the Baileys main site initially.

 

[Spirit7]

Baileys list the full ingredients on their website for all their products eg low cal balancer: Alfalfa Meal, Distillers’ Grains, Wheatfeed, Micronised Soya Beans, Dicalcium Phosphate, Micronised Linseed, Vitamins and Minerals, Molasses, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Chloride, Calcined Magnesite, Yeast Culture, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, ScFOS (Digest Plus prebiotic) 5g/kg.

But it's there for all their products.

Have you got the vitamins and minerals break downs and the molasses quantities per bag/kg etc I still can’t see them

 

[Spirit7]

Have you got the vitamins and minerals break downs and the molasses quantities per bag/kg etc I still can’t see them

It’s ok I’ve found it. Not impressed. Lol

 

[nutjob]

As another said we all have our own preferences- what amazes me is how upset people get when asking for opinions.

Nobody is upset we are simply trying to correct the misinformation you are spreading.

 

[Spirit7]

Nobody is upset we are simply trying to correct the misinformation you are spreading.

But I am not I said I would never feed Alfalfa to a horse with Ulcers I suggested an alternative with FF or Hay so soft chaff as per the original posters question. I then said I would not feed rapeseed oil to horse with ulcers - I wouldn’t. I would be looking at why first? I also said I would not feed Baileys feeds to a horse that has had ulcer treatment as ingredients are aggravating and advised vet advice at this point. Oat straw is what oats come from and I said I would not feed to a horse with stomach issues. I think I checked the ingredients on the feeds I am unfamiliar with (with your help thank you) and they were as poor as I expected. I have not spread any misinformation at all. Only my opinion and the fact that oats come from oats straw ! It’s my opinion that fast fibre (treated straw) is far better to feed than Alfalfa’s to a horse with issues. No misinformation at all.

 

[Bellalily]

That’s the calcium in it, limestone probabay does the same at £0 cost. I would be more interested to know why my horse had an acid issue in the first place personally and what had caused it as adding feed without removing any makes no sense to me as just covering an issue (not saying this is what you have done as your post does not advise on why your horse had acid issues).

The OP asked a question and I answered it. It doesn’t need any further comment.

 

[LEC]

Oat straw is essentially fibre and has no starch as the starch is contained in the seed. It also has minimal protein. There is a huge difference in starch/protein levels between the seed and the fibrous stalk. Hence why oat straw is recommended for good doers and laminitics while oats are not.
Oat stalk/straw is fine for ulcer horses. Oat straw is also low in digestible energy.
Rapeseed oil is also fine for ulcer horses as contains zero starch….its basically a monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fat which has decent levels of vitamin E in it. Great for adding calories without the fizz. Linseed oil is higher in omegas hence being the gold standard of oils.

 

[Goldenstar]

What do you need the chop for ?
Is it as a forage replacer for a horse that needs to gain or loose weight .
Or do you just need need it to add to hard food .

 

[Random stranger here]

Oats are a cereal. Oat straw is an ingredient. Who is Alfalfa recommended by exactly ? The company that markets it I would suggest. Same way The Laminitis Trust sponsor feeds with molasses. As long as your horse is happy and you are I’m not sure my opinion matters.

Alfalfa has been recommended by nutritionists, vets, and yes the feed companys. Alfalfa is very good for there stomach, but it's just a bit sharp when fed as a chaff. So can irritate the stomach slightly. So fed as pellets or mash, is much better.

 

[Random stranger here]

What do you need the chop for ?
Is it as a forage replacer for a horse that needs to gain or loose weight .
Or do you just need need it to add to hard food .

For before work, and to add a little to his mash for the texture as he's a bit fussy

 

[Goldenstar]

For before work the easiest thing would probably dengie healthy tummy if he likes it that would do both jobs