Best food for 8wk old puppy?

Why oh Why do you have to buy stuff in a sack? Please remember that every one of these dog food companies cut costs to the bone and charge whatever they think they can get away with.They are NOT charities! See for yourself exactly what you are feeding by buying the raw ingredients ,you will be staggered by the money you save ,by the health of your dogs ,and the reduction in vet fees.
One of my lovely red border collies went to another home,he was on chook carcases,was glossy and beautiful;in the new home he down graded to the dreaded DJ, and in a short while was dull coated and half the dog he had been. Another one of mine ,a mini bull,was on ghastly CSJ in her home,she looked like a welfare case,I removed her ,and in three weeks on raw she was back to her super self again.
Please resist this stupid false economy,except of course raw IS CHEAPER!
 
Acana is made by the same people and is lower in protein than Orijen. Both kibbles swell minimally so might be good for dogs at risk of bloat. I think they're both ok, but no substitute for making your own or raw. However, high quality can be fed in smaller amounts, generally, so is probably good value although the initial price may seem high.
 
EAST KENT said:
Why oh Why do you have to buy stuff in a sack? Please remember that every one of these dog food companies cut costs to the bone and charge whatever they think they can get away with.They are NOT charities! See for yourself exactly what you are feeding by buying the raw ingredients ,you will be staggered by the money you save ,by the health of your dogs ,and the reduction in vet fees.
One of my lovely red border collies went to another home,he was on chook carcases,was glossy and beautiful;in the new home he down graded to the dreaded DJ, and in a short while was dull coated and half the dog he had been. Another one of mine ,a mini bull,was on ghastly CSJ in her home,she looked like a welfare case,I removed her ,and in three weeks on raw she was back to her super self again.
Please resist this stupid false economy,except of course raw IS CHEAPER!
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i have to admit Ive found csj fairly cheap and nasty too - I do agree, we fed raw for a while and the dogs never looked better. It just wasnt practical long term though. We feed Arden Grange now which they are all doing well on and have raised all our pups on that too, ... however my young dog isnt actually doing well on AG now so have just, against my better judgement, ordered the new csj with no grain or rice to see what its like, fish4dogs if that doesnt suit...
 
'don't feed puppies just dried food it gives them kidney problems' and exactly where do you have any evidence regarding this?

Applaus is an excellent food, arden grange isn't bad, some local petstore foods are quite good.
 
Chicken wings raw are great too. If i has freezer space and was more organised i would feed 100% raw, but as it is i have to mix it up. Tripe is a good one for older puppies also, they go mad for it.
 
Of cous eI've seen 'raw fed' pups, with rickets, they were so deficient after being fed cheap meat and bread as it was 'more like nature intended'... Raw has plenty to answer for!
 
Twoddle. Foxhounds are fed raw ,bones and all ,no rickets. The point is that IF you feed higher quality red meat THAT has a high phosphorous level, so it has to be balanced by sprinkling it with Calcium Carbonate. IF,however,you go the correct route of at least 50/50 meat and bones ,and some meat offal including tripe (stuffed with vitamins) then that need does NOT arise.
Apart from beef head meat/ox tripe coarse mix and chicken wings the ONLY supplement my puppies have is 500mg of Vitamen C.This assists the production of collagen ,and that helps bones become straighter in growing babies. My breed has bulldog ,with all it`s structeral deformeties behind it,so getting a "straight front" with bullies is a bit of a challenge.However,these days you rarely see a bow front on a bull terrier,so we`re doing something right.
I HAVE however seen more animals than I can count completely ruined on sack foods. In fact ,over in Canada once when visiting a friend ,I remarked on the poorly looking bullie litter she had.Her husband had insisted the poor things were reared on dreadful Eukanuba..result masses of poop,no fat layer under their skin as puppies ALWAYS should have ..I call it a "thick pelt" and undersized .SO,unbeknown to husband Tom ,we scooted off and bought some proper food..MEAT,and some calcium carbonate. After a week they were pooping correct digested little pellets,were rounding up and generally improving by the hour. Tom,the husband ,then remarked on how well that dog food was doing the litter..Cheryl and myself just howled with laughter.
So strongly do I KNOW what IS THE BEST I refuse to sell my precious babies to puppy owners intending to feed dry crappy food,and by that I mean all of them to a greater or lesser degree.
I would be very curious to know how many CHAMPION dogs of any breed good old ST has bred??? We are in the mid twenties now.
 
CaveCanem said:
Can someone also please tell me which dry foods leak harmful chemicals when mixed with hot water?!
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Blimey, first time I've heard that! :D Is the poster perhaps thinking of dry foods potentially causing bloat?

SusieT said:
Of cous eI've seen 'raw fed' pups, with rickets, they were so deficient after being fed cheap meat and bread as it was 'more like nature intended'... Raw has plenty to answer for!
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I don't feed bread, I stick to the ratios recommended by the people who have done it for a lot longer. I know I keep yacking on about this, but a dog dying of stomach cancer is too coincidental for my liking. No more nasty additives for my lot. Raw has plenty to answer for if you don't know what you're doing.
 
Like everything, do it in an informed way and it's fine. Do it to be cheap/without knowing what to feed=puppies with lifelong health problems and yes, rickets. The poor little pups could barely stand but of course thats far better than feeding a good quality dry food..
I've seen it with my own eyes, so call it what you will, but I've had enough puppies on various mid-range dog foods grown old without abnormal health problems to be quite happy with that. How you make the jump from dry food to stomach cancer or kidney failure in pups is beyond me..
 
SusieT said:
Like everything, do it in an informed way and it's fine. Do it to be cheap/without knowing what to feed=puppies with lifelong health problems and yes, rickets. The poor little pups could barely stand but of course thats far better than feeding a good quality dry food..
I've seen it with my own eyes, so call it what you will, but I've had enough puppies on various mid-range dog foods grown old without abnormal health problems to be quite happy with that. How you make the jump from dry food to stomach cancer or kidney failure in pups is beyond me..
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Well? You have not answered! As you think you know absolutely everything and clearly do not...we await with bated breath..WHAT success and champions have YOU bred and reared?? After forty years of breeding and rearing champion stock in two breeds I think we all deserve an answer! I have answered you,now kindly oblige,there are quite a few of us on here who are ,shall we say, curious.
BTW ,yes, kidney and liver problems HAVE been linked to ghastly dried food,and supposedly (no such thing) "quality " ones at that..now come on..your record please??
 
To answer the original question as to how you swop over one food for another its a very gradual process adding a little of the new food to the old and gradually increasing the volume of the new.This way ensures the pup dosnt get an upset tummy and dosnt knock them back.

Our pup came with some puppy food and we put her on to Fish4puppies and then on to Orijen gradually. As we wanted to go down the raw route we gave her raw days but she wasnt mad on this so she is now on Burns Fish and Brown Rice.
 
SusieT said:
How you make the jump from dry food to stomach cancer or kidney failure in pups is beyond me..
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Until you can post your nutritionist qualifications, I'll not be taking advice from you on feeding. The specialist at the RVC told me stomach cancer tends to be linked to nutrition. Maybe you'd like to dispute this with him? And the dog was 7.

Dear me, you do seem to know it all yet you fail to back up anything you say or to offer how you know everything. :rolleyes:
 
I'm sorry- I didn't mean this thread to turn into an argument! I just wanted some help for my new puppy... obviously there are a lot of differing opinions on what dogs should be fed so thank you for all your experiences and advise :)
 
LittleLex said:
I'm sorry- I didn't mean this thread to turn into an argument! I just wanted some help for my new puppy... obviously there are a lot of differing opinions on what dogs should be fed so thank you for all your experiences and advise :)
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Equally sorry, didn't mean to go off topic! :o Ultimately, feed what suits your budget and your lifestyle. There's a ton of choice, just be sure you're happy with the ingredients. And post tons of pictures! :)
 
'Dear me, you do seem to know it all yet you fail to back up anything you say or to offer how you know everything.' I could say the same thing about you regarding your liver/kidney problem claim.. And your qualifications yet you like to advise freely that dry food is evil..
EK-you do an amazing job of diverting and trying to suggest that raw is the be all and end all and that only your opinion is valid regarding diet. I disagree. I also suggest you take a step back from the computer as you seem a little... stressed?
I simply offer a different viewpoint, not based on internet scaremongering and amateur pet owners latching onto fads.
It is up to every individual to decide how to feed and everyone is entitled to have an opinion. I will continue to have mine.
 
A few of us are still waiting to hear where you acquired your great depth of "knowledge" from. Mostly you are offensive ,judgemental and sometimes just plain nasty.Explain your qualifications .
 
SusieT said:
Of cous eI've seen 'raw fed' pups, with rickets, they were so deficient after being fed cheap meat and bread as it was 'more like nature intended'... Raw has plenty to answer for!
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No.. idiots who have no business keeping dogs have a lot to answer for. It's not the fault of the "raw phenomenon" that some owners are cheap and stupid.
 
i watched a programme about BErkshire Estate on Horse & Country today- during the foot and mouth crisis the hounds were fed on pork pies:D Very healthy they all looked too:D
 
SusieT said:
'Dear me, you do seem to know it all yet you fail to back up anything you say or to offer how you know everything.' I could say the same thing about you regarding your liver/kidney problem claim.. And your qualifications yet you like to advise freely that dry food is evil..
EK-you do an amazing job of diverting and trying to suggest that raw is the be all and end all and that only your opinion is valid regarding diet. I disagree. I also suggest you take a step back from the computer as you seem a little... stressed?

It is up to every individual to decide how to feed and everyone is entitled to have an opinion. I will continue to have mine.
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Press the quote button to quote! Saves you tons of time.

My stomach claim, the dog was PTS because of a large mass in his stomach. The vet made the claim, not me. I'm trained for other stuff :p I subsequently checked the food, it contained carcinogens. Not rocket science. Would you also decide that smoking cannot possibly cause cancer and that consuming carciogenics is absolutely safe? interesting.

At no point have I said that dry food is evil, only the rubbish that contains carcinogens, tons of cereals and derivatives (not my words, but the dogfoodanalysis website equates that to 'floor sweepings'). Some dry food is fab, I have always maintained that the likes of Orijen, Acana, etc are all brilliant.

I laughed out loud at your advice to EK, truly hilarious!

If you could back up your 'knowledge' with anything substantial, I would bow down, I swear! :D
 
'No.. idiots who have no business keeping dogs have a lot to answer for. It's not the fault of the "raw phenomenon" that some owners are cheap and stupid. '
same applies to dry food.
 
Great then we're on the same page. Good quality stuff is the way to go with whatever you feed. Research what you feed and be comfortable with it.
 
Best thing to do is to ask the breeder what the pup was on, then either wean it onto whatever feed you want to add. I would have thought the breeder would have given you some food with the pup? (I do with mine) if not find out what they were on and then check the analysis and find a product similar but with the qualith/price rance to suit. you can always suppliment with raw just to help pup (chicken is pretty bland compared to tripe and beef)
 
EAST KENT said:
WHAT success and champions have YOU bred and reared??
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At least 6 I reckon ;)

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agsam27 said:
Best thing to do is to ask the breeder what the pup was on, then either wean it onto whatever feed you want to add. I would have thought the breeder would have given you some food with the pup? (I do with mine) if not find out what they were on and then check the analysis and find a product similar but with the qualith/price rance to suit. you can always suppliment with raw just to help pup (chicken is pretty bland compared to tripe and beef)
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This is exactly what we did. Our boy was on tripe and although the stuff made me retch (just not used to it) we started with it and gradually weaned him off it and onto Burns. He is now on something else as he needs a low protein diet.
 
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