Best food for a Czech Wolf.....

PLEASE don't feed Pedigree or Bakers, my mother lost her bedlington x from feeding Pedigree dried food - it has a high copper content to make it more palatible to dogs, this triggered an episode of Copper Toxicosis which killed him.

I feed raw, but I also am not a fan of dealing with raw meat, so I feed Natural Instinct. It is minced meat/bone and vegetables, you just defrost it and spoon it into the bowls - so simple and not very smelly at all. If you live in Surrey, their factory shop is in Camberley, just off the M3, go along and have a chat.
 
Thanks guys, I have ordered a sample bag from Eden foods which is a dry food version of a raw diet.

East Kent - a reply to you, I am looking for an alternative and doing what is best for my puppy. If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts he didnt eat the raw meat so I felt he wasnt getting everything he should from it if he wasnt eating it. Hence this post and at least the majority of people have offered useful advice and told me makes of food that I can try him on, rather than the likes of yourself and certain others just using it as a chance to have a dig at the girl that "wont feed raw meat" when actually you're just wasting your time :) thanks anyway!
 
You posted on a widely used forum. You got some answers you don't like, which is only to be expected.

It is unfortunate, IMO, to ignore the experience and wisdom of various people on here. I have used or discarded advice as I saw fit, but I see no need to be arrogant and rude about it. You asked, we answered.

I'm glad for your dogs' sake that you are researching a quality feed, but do take a breath and consider how you're coming across. People will be reluctant to answer your threads if you are super abrasive and whilst that probably doesn't bother you, it's a shame to not have the gamut of responses that you could have.
 
RCP Equestrian said:
Thanks guys, I have ordered a sample bag from Eden foods which is a dry food version of a raw diet.

East Kent - a reply to you, I am looking for an alternative and doing what is best for my puppy. If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts he didnt eat the raw meat so I felt he wasnt getting everything he should from it if he wasnt eating it. Hence this post and at least the majority of people have offered useful advice and told me makes of food that I can try him on, rather than the likes of yourself and certain others just using it as a chance to have a dig at the girl that "wont feed raw meat" when actually you're just wasting your time :) thanks anyway!
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Could I ask how long you fed it for after he came home? Did you speak to your breeder and ask for her thoughts on the problem as no doubt pup will have been eating raw quite happily at the breeders otherwise she will not have seen fit to send you home with a bag of that diet.
I only ask as my malamute bitch a previous Hoover/dustbin of a dog moved up north with me to my parents when my relationship broke down she had a good 3 weeks where she ate maybe every two days instead of her usual every day, my breeder was my first port of call
 
Cyrus said:
Could I ask how long you fed it for after he came home? Did you speak to your breeder and ask for her thoughts on the problem as no doubt pup will have been eating raw quite happily at the breeders otherwise she will not have seen fit to send you home with a bag of that diet.
I only ask as my malamute bitch a previous Hoover/dustbin of a dog moved up north with me to my parents when my relationship broke down she had a good 3 weeks where she ate maybe every two days instead of her usual every day, my breeder was my first port of call
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He was on it for the first 2wks being fed twice a day. I tried keeping him away from the other dogs whilst being fed to stop the temptation of them having "more interesting food" than him but when I returned he had picked at some bits but just seemed dis interested. I'm not sure what he was like eating wise whilst still with the breeder. At first I gave him his dues as he was in a new home and possibly distracted as I know when they move they can go off their food, but after 2wks he was still as dis interested so I started mixing dry food in where he would polish that off and not the raw meat? Which is why I thought a dry food version of raw meat would suit him in a way which he is getting all the nutrients of the raw but in a form he much prefers to eat...and also which is bum will prefer (hope!) :rolleyes:
 
RCP Equestrian said:
Which is why I thought a dry food version of raw meat would suit him in a way which he is getting all the nutrients of the raw but in a form he much prefers to eat...and also which is bum will prefer (hope!) :rolleyes:
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...you wont get one though, that's the problem.

Did you try him on any of the minces or was it all legs, wings and the like? did you consider Natural Instinct ??
 
cinnamontoast said:
You posted on a widely used forum. You got some answers you don't like, which is only to be expected.

It is unfortunate, IMO, to ignore the experience and wisdom of various people on here. I have used or discarded advice as I saw fit, but I see no need to be arrogant and rude about it. You asked, we answered.

I'm glad for your dogs' sake that you are researching a quality feed, but do take a breath and consider how you're coming across. People will be reluctant to answer your threads if you are super abrasive and whilst that probably doesn't bother you, it's a shame to not have the gamut of responses that you could have.
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The forum was my last resort to be quite honest as some comments on here drive me crazy, which I usually ignore and brush off, which is the type of person I am, not a snapper :D but when people jump the gun and go ahead and assume I am the bad one as I have un done all the hard work the breeder has done and that I am killing my dog feeding him Pedigree I find really rude as it isn't the case at all, when in fact the whole point of my post was to find the best food for him and get him off the killer food! I would never post some of the things people have said on here as I am not quick to judge, but when people do I'm afraid they see the sharper side of my tongue. So I apologise if I have offended anyone :)
 
NeverSayNever said:
...you wont get one though, that's the problem.

Did you try him on any of the minces or was it all legs, wings and the like? did you consider Natural Instinct ??
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I've found a dry food by Eden which someone on here recommended so I have ordered a sample bag of that and I have ordered the Natural Instinct as well so I will see which goes best. Not sure if it would be too much having a bit of each? Anyone know if that is a good idea or not?

It was hearts, livers, legs, wings all sorts! Haha he picked at the hearts and livers and chewed a few legs but had to be persuaded to eat those. So I think he likes the more meaty types rather than the bones so he might like the Natural Instinct food.
 
Natural Instinct should be much more appealing to him. I fed my Dane on it til it got too expensive as she grew but she loved it. It has everything in it that they need and a really easy to swallow texture. You can always buy him meaty bones to chew on from your butcher for his teeth as well as that'll keep them healthy and white.
 
Cyrus said:
East Kent you sound like my breeder lol I think she would deck me if I decided not to feed madam raw it would be like throwing years of her research and hard work out the window
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LOL she would deck you, and then her husband would deck you harder :D

I was a bit wary after having all of my samoyeds on kibble (Skinners) for 20 plus years, to change to raw when i got my mal pups. I'd been veggie for years and still wasn't used to handling and smelling raw meat, but it's so good for the dogs. Everything is digested, the poos are little, hard and non smelly, no more skin problems or hotspots, and my samoyeds tucked into it straight away.

You can get a mincer, or buy ready minced, bone and meat for your chi to eat, he may find that easier.
 
Ilovefoals said:
Natural Instinct should be much more appealing to him. I fed my Dane on it til it got too expensive as she grew but she loved it. It has everything in it that they need and a really easy to swallow texture. You can always buy him meaty bones to chew on from your butcher for his teeth as well as that'll keep them healthy and white.
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Thanks :) yeah I have been getting him bones still as a treat and to keep his teeth healthy, and also for his teething.

I was open to trying the raw meat diet for him as I'm no means against it but as he wasn't interested and I didn't have a peg for my nose it didn't seem worth continuing. Lets hope this alternitive works for him as I want him on the best diet he can get, something he isn't on at the moment :(
 
misterjay said:
LOL she would deck you, and then her husband would deck you harder :D

I was a bit wary after having all of my samoyeds on kibble (Skinners) for 20 plus years, to change to raw when i got my mal pups. I'd been veggie for years and still wasn't used to handling and smelling raw meat, but it's so good for the dogs. Everything is digested, the poos are little, hard and non smelly, no more skin problems or hotspots, and my samoyeds tucked into it straight away.

You can get a mincer, or buy ready minced, bone and meat for your chi to eat, he may find that easier.
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I'm not against raw meat at all and if he was eating it he would still be on it, I could cope with the smell...I'd have to for the sake of his diet needs! But as he wouldn't eat it I thought he would be better on a food he enjoys (which was the hard food) to which I found is no good for his digestion. I'll try him on the samples I have coming of a raw meat ready made so it is more inviting and also a hard food version to see which he prefers

Wish me luck! LOL
 
RCP Equestrian said:
and that I am killing my dog feeding him Pedigree I find really rude as it isn't the case at all, /QUOTE]

What is the point in asking for help if you believe what you currently feed is good for your dogs?

Pedigree/bakers CAN kill your dog- so it IS the case- its not just our opinion- its fact- Cinnamontoast has researched this until she is blue in the face- has some VERY interesting articles on what these "foods" contain- and many of them cause nasty disease.
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Richie said:
My sister has four huskies - who are loving the January snow!

She feeds and recommends Ziwi Peak which they love.

VioVet's website product description for Ziwi Peak:
"ZiwiPeak Cuisine Cans offer a range of wholesome and nutritionally balanced wet food diets for dogs, irrespective of size, age or breed. The cans contain replicate ingredients consumed in the wild, including carefully selected raw meat proteins and naturally blended vitamins, minerals and fibres for a complete and tailored meal. ZiwiPeak foods contain only the finest quality, natural ingredients, free from all artificial supplements, cereal fillers or grains, so you can be assured your dog is receiving the very best in dietary care. A suitable diet for dogs at any life stage, with highly digestible and palatable ingredients to appeal to the most selective appetites."

Good food is just so important for dogs. Their health depends on a decent diet.
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Thanks for that! Yes our Husky and the Wolf of course are loving the snow, same can't be said for the Chihuahuas who much prefer to be curled up next to the fire ;)

I shall have a read and if all else fails with the foods I have ordered I'm open to give them a try. Like you say, I just want what is best for him
 
lexiedhb said:
RCP Equestrian said:
and that I am killing my dog feeding him Pedigree I find really rude as it isn't the case at all, /QUOTE]

What is the point in asking for help if you believe what you currently feed is good for your dogs?

Pedigree/bakers CAN kill your dog- so it IS the case- its not just our opinion- its fact- Cinnamontoast has researched this until she is blue in the face- has some VERY interesting articles on what these "foods" contain- and many of them cause nasty disease.
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OMG!!!!!!! This is what drives me mad......I have agreed with everyone who has said Pedigree is crap and if you read back through my comments I have also said it is crap and is a last resort, hence the reason for this post in the first place, so I can get him off it as soon as possible and on to something that is good for him and that he is getting everything he needs! Why would I be posting this in the first place if I thought what I was feeding him now was good for him???? Really???

But you can rest assured now as I have ordered Natural Instinct wet food and also Eden dry food, both contain raw meat and everything that they would get from a raw meat diet.
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You said us saying pedigree was *****e and that is could kill your dog was "Rude and isnt the case at all". Make your mind up.

You also in your original post did not mention said Wolfdog did not like raw- but that you weaned him off it because of the smell.

Have you tried Wainwrights trays? P@H own brand- high meat content- readily available. Probably cheaper than Natural instinct. You can also buy frozen nature diet nuggets at P@H too.
 
lexiedhb said:
You said us saying pedigree was *****e and that is could kill your dog was "Rude and isnt the case at all". Make your mind up.

You also in your original post did not mention said Wolfdog did not like raw- but that you weaned him off it because of the smell.

Have you tried Wainwrights trays? P@H own brand- high meat content- readily available. Probably cheaper than Natural instinct. You can also buy frozen nature diet nuggets at P@H too.
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Sorry, forgot to include every fine detail in my OP :rolleyes:

No you saying I was killing my dog is rude, I've taken him off the Pedigree (as of today) as the new food I ordered is arriving. If I wanted to keep him on the Pedigree then yes, I would be killing my dog so therefore it isn't the case at all. Anyway all I asked for was which food was best, not a grilling on what is wrong! Geez.

Greatful for the useful piece of info at the end though ;)
 
If you cannot take advice ,then why ask? Your breeder was doing just fine and so was your pup..now?Dogs LIKE their food smelly,that is why they will bury bones to "mature".
That Camberly factory mentioned sounds the deal,NO dried food is as good as raw,bones and all,fact. You bougt a breed who really does need natural feeding due to it`s ancestry, some breeds may jog along on commercial crap but your`s will not.Presumably the closely related to the wild attracted you to get one,well feeding natural is part and parcel of these breeds.I boarded an entire working pack of Sibes once,and feeding them any cereal was out,it caused monumental squits. As racing dogs they were lean but very healthy indeed.
Get him back on track soonest,and that does not include dry crap.
 
EAST KENT said:
If you cannot take advice ,then why ask? Your breeder was doing just fine and so was your pup..now?Dogs LIKE their food smelly,that is why they will bury bones to "mature".
That Camberly factory mentioned sounds the deal,NO dried food is as good as raw,bones and all,fact. You bougt a breed who really does need natural feeding due to it`s ancestry, some breeds may jog along on commercial crap but your`s will not.Presumably the closely related to the wild attracted you to get one,well feeding natural is part and parcel of these breeds.I boarded an entire working pack of Sibes once,and feeding them any cereal was out,it caused monumental squits. As racing dogs they were lean but very healthy indeed.
Get him back on track soonest,and that does not include dry crap.
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Telling me that I am killing my dog quite frankly is not advice to me. He wasn't doing well on the raw meat diet, as if you had read, he wasn't eating it. I have taken the advice I was given by others and I am changing him to Natural Instinct and also ordered a sample bag of dry natural raw meat type food which someone suggested on here.

So I am actually taking peoples advice which is what I asked for in the first place, not a grilling or criticism. Quite frankly it isn't necessary, you don't know me or the puppy yet people seem to know more about him! The one thing I have been stressing is that, and which I have been getting slaughtered for, is taking him off the raw meat diet, yet haven't bothered to read in to my reasonings why. But, now I know a standard dry dog food isn't agreeing with him, I am trying to find a raw meat diet which he is happy to tuck in to and will agree more with his tummy....so of course I am going to snap back at people who aren't leaving advice they are just using it as an excuse to have a dig, simples!
 
RCP Equestrian said:
I've found a dry food by Eden which someone on here recommended so I have ordered a sample bag of that and I have ordered the Natural Instinct as well so I will see which goes best. Not sure if it would be too much having a bit of each? Anyone know if that is a good idea or not?

It was hearts, livers, legs, wings all sorts! Haha he picked at the hearts and livers and chewed a few legs but had to be persuaded to eat those. So I think he likes the more meaty types rather than the bones so he might like the Natural Instinct food.
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excellent!

no dont feed the 2 together. Raw and dry are digested at different rates and mixing them can cause big problems. It wouldnt be so bad to do dry for breakfast then the raw for dinner, say 8 hours later. Im sure he will find the NI more appealing (and so will you). Good luck.
 
OP while I appreciate you will be keen to stop feeding pedigree, please don't just stop feeding and swap straight on to new feed , just introduce gradually over a few days.
 
NeverSayNever said:
excellent!

no dont feed the 2 together. Raw and dry are digested at different rates and mixing them can cause big problems. It wouldnt be so bad to do dry for breakfast then the raw for dinner, say 8 hours later. Im sure he will find the NI more appealing (and so will you). Good luck.
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Cool thanks, I will try that :) if it turns out he prefers one more than the other thats the food I will stick to, so he shall decide! :p
 
EAST KENT said:
As a breeder who keeps her dogs and puppies entirely on raw I would be spitting feathers if someone promptly undid my hard work by changing to a rubbish diet from the best a pup can have.I have seen far too many puppies ruined like this,and would go so far as to refuse a sale if a buyer could not be arsed to follow the prescribed diet sheet.
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Cyrus said:
East Kent you sound like my breeder lol I think she would deck me if I decided not to feed madam raw it would be like throwing years of her research and hard work out the window
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misterjay said:
LOL she would deck you, and then her husband would deck you harder :D
I was a bit wary after having all of my samoyeds on kibble (Skinners) for 20 plus years, to change to raw when i got my mal pups. I'd been veggie for years and still wasn't used to handling and smelling raw meat, but it's so good for the dogs. Everything is digested, the poos are little, hard and non smelly, no more skin problems or hotspots, and my samoyeds tucked into it straight away.
You can get a mincer, or buy ready minced, bone and meat for your chi to eat, he may find that easier.
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I must say that just as I have difficulties with Parelli, some vegan groups and some religious groups etc., because of their belief that their way is the only right way for everyone, I also have a problem with some raw feeders, that sounds as if there is only one right way for all dog owners - and that is their way!
But I try to remember that it is my interpretation, and that it doesn't have to be the way those raw feeders really believe.

However saying that if you didn't feed raw "she would deck you, and then her husband would deck you harder" about a breeder, well, even though I don't take that literally, it doesn't sound like good PR for raw feeding to me.


Personally I prefer Blackcob's way of using words like "suggestion" and "tend to do poorly", because it leaves a small opening for other options.
I also noticed that East Kent have said "some breeds may jog along on commercial crap but your`s will not", which at least gives some other dog owners a bit more options.


:)
 
OP, has your pup had loose stools since the day you acquired him, regardless of his diet? If so, it might be a good idea to have his stool analysed for a few other things in addition to worms...things like the protozoan diseases giardia and coccidiosis. I believe another poster suggested he be checked for salmonella and campylobacter infections. You mentioned that his breeder had quite a few dogs and pups. Perhaps a call to the breeder and a description of your pup's symptoms and a question as to the condition of her pups might be in order.

Good luck with whatever diet you decide to prepare for your dogs.
 
I understand your meaning FL and it was meant in the most fun way my girls breeder was one of the first people in this country to feed the RAW diet she has studied it and wrote papers on obviously her specialist area is how the diet effects the spitz breeds especially huskies, malamutes and other sled dogs which she has been involved with for many many years MisterJay knows her well too as she has puppies from her too
 
I have a malamute. Different but similar. He can't eat grain. Full stop. It would kills him to do so, we nearly inadvertently did so when he was a puppy- similar age to yours. His body joust couldn't take cereals anymore and his intestines were in trouble. He's now on fishmongers which has NO grains (even rice sets him off- we've tried) we love him too much to try anything else now and although its bloody expensive (10kg bag £30 lasts 2 weeks!!) I would try something with potato as this often helps solidfy poops
 
I haven't managed to get through all of this thread but can I ask why you all think pedigree is crap? All my dogs are fed on this, they look great on it. Have you ever visited the multi million pound site in Waltham where they do extensive research on this food?
 
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