Best food for a Czech Wolf.....

toffeeyummy said:
I haven't managed to get through all of this thread but can I ask why you all think pedigree is crap? All my dogs are fed on this, they look great on it. Have you ever visited the multi million pound site in Waltham where they do extensive research on this food?
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toffeeyummy said:
And these are bad because...?
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Pedigree dried food contains BHA and BHT, carcinogens. It is a crap, lowest possible quality food. Cereal is a filler, unnecessary ingredient. Would you offer your dog wheat or hay like a horse? The makers use their budget to advertise instead of using decent ingredients. Unless you have x ray vision, you have no idea what is going on inside your dog. Dog food makers incorporate oils to make the coat shiny so you think he looks great.

Please research the ingredients of this food: I'll be amazed if you stick with it.

The specialist who showed me the stomach cancer in my dog told me it was directly related to poor nutrition. I'll give you three guesses as to what he was fed. :(

Read to the bottom where BHT/BHA are mentioned:
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1882&cat=all
 
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This is pretty unbelievable! I can't understand how a leading pet food company is producing a food that is directly linked to a dogs stomach cancer?! Has anyone challenged pedigree over this? I certainly will be in touch. There are thousands of dogs on this food (including the 250 dogs at their research centre). Are they all deemed to become ill??
(sorry for the hijack op)
 
Do any of you lot remember seeing green rotten piles of chicken being bulldosed?Guess where that was headed.The stuff in dry diets,because these makers are NOT charitable,are the cheapest they can procure and then boiled silly,extruded into pellets and sold for as much as they think you will stomach.It is called business.Iams/Eukanuba?Well Paul Iams had the hugest string of chicken broiler farms in America..there is always a mortality rate..used to live beside one...and dead going green in the heat carcasses are removed every day.Mr Iams,brilliant business man,worked out a way to make these totally unsaleable waste products into dog food.Hey Presto..he is a millionaire!
Now ,OK,I feed raw,mainly because I bloody well want to know what my dogs consume BEFORE it is prettied up for the pet food trade.I think our OP ,in the very first instance should have called up her breeder!
 
Cyrus said:
I understand your meaning FL and it was meant in the most fun way my girls breeder was one of the first people in this country to feed the RAW diet she has studied it and wrote papers on obviously her specialist area is how the diet effects the spitz breeds especially huskies, malamutes and other sled dogs which she has been involved with for many many years MisterJay knows her well too as she has puppies from her too
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Yes, FL, it was most certainly meant in jest, and I'm sorry if it came across wrong (which it obviously did :o).

Meanwhile, Rutland's suggestion sounds like a good path to take, as well as the change of diet.

Good luck with your poopy and his poopies :)
 
Even one dog getting stomach cancer as a result of food additives is one too many. There are alternative preservatives that could be used.
Not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer but people can make a choice to take a risk. Dogs cannot choose so it is up to owners to keep up to date and make the best choices for their pets
 
Update guys....

Natural Instinct food is being delivered today! Huraay!

I will be burning the bag of Pedigree as soon as he's weaned off it. Who wants to come and dance around the flames with me? :D
 
I have a Wolf like dog (mix of husky, malamute, GSD, Czech wolf).

I fed a 'good quality kibble' on the advice of the breeder.

He was always itchy and scabby skin.

I switched over to Raw and he got much better and the poops are much nicer to deal with. I also find him calmer on Raw.

I feed it mostly frozen and there is no smell - just chuck a lump at him and leave him to it.

If I were to back to kibble though, I would use Orjen/Taste of the Wild or Fish4Dogs as I understand they are the three best kibbles.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
I must say that just as I have difficulties with Parelli, some vegan groups and some religious groups etc., because of their belief that their way is the only right way for everyone, I also have a problem with some raw feeders, that sounds as if there is only one right way for all dog owners - and that is their way!
But I try to remember that it is my interpretation, and that it doesn't have to be the way those raw feeders really believe.

However saying that if you didn't feed raw "she would deck you, and then her husband would deck you harder" about a breeder, well, even though I don't take that literally, it doesn't sound like good PR for raw feeding to me.


Personally I prefer Blackcob's way of using words like "suggestion" and "tend to do poorly", because it leaves a small opening for other options.
I also noticed that East Kent have said "some breeds may jog along on commercial crap but your`s will not", which at least gives some other dog owners a bit more options.


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Thanks FL, someone else who also agrees their comments were slightly harsh :( I have never said I am against a raw meat diet....in fact he's going back on one! :p Natural Instinct food is being delivered today and also their warehouse is only a few miles from me so I can pop there any time for a chat, even take him there to see whats best for him.

Also ordered a sample bag from Eden of a dry food version of raw (well thats what it reads like anyway) so will just see how he goes.

Will keep everyone posted on his poo situation....he would be highly embarassed if he knew I was saying that :D
 
toffeeyummy said:
This is pretty unbelievable! I can't understand how a leading pet food company is producing a food that is directly linked to a dogs stomach cancer?! Has anyone challenged pedigree over this? I certainly will be in touch. There are thousands of dogs on this food (including the 250 dogs at their research centre). Are they all deemed to become ill??
(sorry for the hijack op)
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Don't worry! :p think more people need to be aware of it to be honest as it is a household brand!

Out of interest....(it might just spark another heated debate) but are there any dry food makes out there that are ok to feed dogs? For the likes of people who wouldn't want to feed a raw meat diet? Just a general question....?
 
RutlandH2O said:
OP, has your pup had loose stools since the day you acquired him, regardless of his diet? If so, it might be a good idea to have his stool analysed for a few other things in addition to worms...things like the protozoan diseases giardia and coccidiosis. I believe another poster suggested he be checked for salmonella and campylobacter infections. You mentioned that his breeder had quite a few dogs and pups. Perhaps a call to the breeder and a description of your pup's symptoms and a question as to the condition of her pups might be in order.

Good luck with whatever diet you decide to prepare for your dogs.
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They were ok when I got him but after 2 wks I started adding the dry food after him not eating the raw very well. As all 4 dogs lived together its hard to know "whos poo is who" :D:p apart from obviously the size difference of the Chi's and the Husky! LOL

Now he is going back on a raw diet I will give it a couple of weeks or so to sort his system out and if things haven't improved in that department I will definitely have him checked out, but at the moment I think it is definitely down to the food he is on at the moment
 
RCP Equestrian said:
Don't worry! :p think more people need to be aware of it to be honest as it is a household brand!

Out of interest....(it might just spark another heated debate) but are there any dry food makes out there that are ok to feed dogs? For the likes of people who wouldn't want to feed a raw meat diet? Just a general question....?
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Quite a few of the decent complete feeds have already been mentioned on this thread, Orjen, Fish4dogs, Taste of the Wild, and at a slightly lower price SKinners F & T Duck & Rice. Have a look at the petforums link that is on this thread, you want those in green.
 
RCP Equestrian said:
He is a very high content of Czech Wolf (his mam being 3/4 czech & 1/4 husky his dad was a full czech wolf) so I don't need a license for him and also don't need you to tell me about it as I am well aware of this! :rolleyes:

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anything closer than an F3 cross needs a license, As of 2008 DEFRA have confirmed that any dog 3 or more generations removed from pure wolf now no longer comes under the Dangerous Wild Animals act and therefore no longer needs a special licence to keep.
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RCP Equestrian said:
Very clever....no swearing and I said it with a smile :rolleyes: :p :D
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Yes I thought you would come back with some "witty" comment...allow me to introduce you to the word unprofessional, I am sure it is one you will become very well acquainted with as you try to advance your business, although of course it already applies :rolleyes::p:D
 
RCP Equestrian said:
I have a 14wk old Czech Wolf puppy. I currently have him on Pedigree hard food to see how he goes but I've actually tried everything! He was brought up on a raw meat diet which I continued for a week amd gradually weaned him off it as I couldnt bare the smell any longer! Every other good I've tried his poo is really runny, he has been wormed recently too. Just wondered if anyone has any suggestions? Help would be appreciated :)
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I see this thread is very long, but I am jumping in right at the start to say a big hello to you! For a short time, we fostered an F1 wolf cross whose father was a pure CWD, and mum was a wolf. I am a huge fan of CWD's and would love to have one, one day. Currently, we have 2 wolfie-type dogs, one a registered utonagan, the other a low-content wolfdog. I am crazy about them both.

I don't know how this thread pans out, as I have only just joined the H & H forum, but my advice to you would be to absolutely ONLY feed raw. Just live with the smell - put a peg on your nose or something, and just think about the little guy and not your finer feelings! You will soon get used to the smell - raw green tripe, which absolutely reeks, is the very best food you can feed any dog, but if you have a sensitive stomach start off on "ordinary", less smelly meats. Raw feeding is much cheaper than a good quality kibble by the way. Google Berriewoods, or DAF, or Landywoods, or Albion, they all have websites and are cheap and very good. I am sure there will a lot of advice on here about the BARF diet (Biologically Appropriate Raw Food, or Bones & Raw Food), but you can do no worse than buy the Billinghurst books "Grow your Puppy on Bones" I think it is called, and I can't remember what the other one is called, but if you google BARF Billinghurst you will get up loads of links. You should be able to buy the books second hand on Amazon.

I'm off now to wade my way through the rest of this thread!
 
CaveCanem said:
Wow, if I was a breeder who had weaned a puppy onto raw I'd be annoyed that he'd been switched onto Pedigree.

Raw may smell a but but it is infinitely better than Pedigree! Think of your dog's welfare rather than your nose. The runny poos should be telling you something - and you've tried 'everything'? How many times have you changed his food at 14 weeks?

It's a dog bred to look like a wolf, with possibly some wolf DNA, not an actual wolf by the way, otherwise you'd need a license to keep it :)

Suggest you get yourself to a good training class or locate someone knowledgeable about dogs of this breed, you may need a little experienced guidance :)
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No, a Czech Wolfdog is a breed that was created from crossing Carpathian wolf with GSD. A pedigree czech wolfdog - and there are very many around now that have been mixed with Saarloos, Alaskan Malamutes, Siberian Huskies, or Northern Inuits and Utonagans - is probably around 20% wolf. When you say it is a dog bred to look like a wolf, I think you are probably getting confused with Northern Inuits and Utonagans. You do not need a licence to keep a wolf cross, provided it is an F3 or lower. This is very misleading, because the "F'ness" bears no correlation with the amount of wolf in each particular generation. We fostered an F1 wolfcross - his mother was a wolf, his father was a pedigree Czech Wolfdog - but he was a far higher content wolf than, say, a pup whose mother was a wolf and his father a labrador. But he would still have been an F1. As it happened, we had what was virtually a pure wolf sleeping in our bedroom, and he was an amazing little guy who was full of fun and love and mischief, and who adored our utonagan and followed him round like a little shadow.

I've gone off the thread here, but I had to put you straight on the wolf content of the CWD!
 
RCP Equestrian said:
Currently checking out the Fish4Dogs website now which is a great help :)

Maybe I will have to buy a peg for my nose and deal with the raw meat :rolleyes:

It would be nice to have them all on the same food, or even him and the Husky at least and my other two on the same.

The Chihuhua does not approve of the raw meat either! :p
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My daughter's chihuahuas all ADORE raw! You need to persist with them, because they can be fussy, spoiled little beggars, but no dog will let itself starve. Just keep putting the food down - if they don't eat it, up it comes, back in the fridge, until the next attempt.

A word of advice with little ones - they probably won't eat it if it is straight from the fridge, might be better to let it come up to room temperature. Same with raw meaty bones - chi's especially like raw chicken wings, keeps them quiet for hours and hours!
 
RCP Equestrian said:
Hmm possibly....I'm new to the raw thing so I just assumed it was all like that and didn't enjoy feed times at all!

Haven't had a chance yet as I'm sneaking on between work :rolleyes: but I will certainly have a read through it all.

When I was feeding him on the raw meat he was very distracted eating it and just kept picking and then trying to pinch the other dogs food! Which is why I switched him too as now (excuse the pun) wolfs it down! :p but it just doesnt come out the other end as well as it goes in....if you know what I mean!
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My old F4 wolfcross refused to eat raw when we first put him from kibble onto a natural diet. It took nearly a week of starvation before he ate - but rather than starve to death, eventually he tucked in, and never looked back.
 
Nikki J said:
No, a Czech Wolfdog is a breed that was created from crossing Carpathian wolf with GSD. A pedigree czech wolfdog - and there are very many around now that have been mixed with Saarloos, Alaskan Malamutes, Siberian Huskies, or Northern Inuits and Utonagans - is probably around 20% wolf. When you say it is a dog bred to look like a wolf, I think you are probably getting confused with Northern Inuits and Utonagans. You do not need a licence to keep a wolf cross, provided it is an F3 or lower. This is very misleading, because the "F'ness" bears no correlation with the amount of wolf in each particular generation. We fostered an F1 wolfcross - his mother was a wolf, his father was a pedigree Czech Wolfdog - but he was a far higher content wolf than, say, a pup whose mother was a wolf and his father a labrador. But he would still have been an F1. As it happened, we had what was virtually a pure wolf sleeping in our bedroom, and he was an amazing little guy who was full of fun and love and mischief, and who adored our utonagan and followed him round like a little shadow.

I've gone off the thread here, but I had to put you straight on the wolf content of the CWD!
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No need :) it still isn't a 'wolf' as the title of this thread suggests.
I have issue with x-breeding wolves and huskies with GSDs, they're completely different types of animal, the 'best of both' is a bit of a fallacy IMO. Different drives, different motivation, different purposes.
I realise the Czech wolfdog was bred initially experimentally as a patrol dog but with the other 'breeds' - I would love to see more of them working.
GSDs have suffered because of breeding for 'looks' rather than health and working ability and I hate to see them being used to breed more dogs, being bred for their 'looks'.

Breed GSDs with Belgians, Dutchies etc for a good working dog, with which they share similar characteristics, but breeding them to a completely different type of dog, I don't agree with, sorry. JMO though.
I trust all these breeders are carrying out hip and elbow x-rays on their breeding stock :)
 
I know this is going a bit off topic but I thought that breeding a wolf and a dog resulted in a non viable offspring (ie sterile) and a vet I work with said she'd recently read an article that someone trying to find a crossing to a dog with a wolf found that the closest thing they could find was......wait for it......









..... a POODLE!



Imagine the new designer mutts - will they be WOODLE? or POLF?



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God, I can't believe the vitriol (sp) on this thread - poor girl only asked for advice. As for all the talk about breeders dictating what people feed their dogs on......I would have thought that when they sold the puppies they lost all control (fair enough if people go back to them for advice) but they have no right to impose anything if they are selling a dog
 
CaveCanem said:
No need :) it still isn't a 'wolf' as the title of this thread suggests.
I have issue with x-breeding wolves and huskies with GSDs, they're completely different types of animal, the 'best of both' is a bit of a fallacy IMO. Different drives, different motivation, different purposes.
I realise the Czech wolfdog was bred initially experimentally as a patrol dog but with the other 'breeds' - I would love to see more of them working.
GSDs have suffered because of breeding for 'looks' rather than health and working ability and I hate to see them being used to breed more dogs, being bred for their 'looks'.

Breed GSDs with Belgians, Dutchies etc for a good working dog, with which they share similar characteristics, but breeding them to a completely different type of dog, I don't agree with, sorry. JMO though.
I trust all these breeders are carrying out hip and elbow x-rays on their breeding stock :)
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I completely agree with you about crossing wolves, huskies and malamutes with GSD's. In my opinion it is not a good mix at all - the GSD has strong guarding propensities, whereas the wolf has anything but - and huskies and mals do not make good guard dogs, they are more likely to lick a burglar to death! The breeder from whom we bought our first wolf cross some 14 years ago started off crossing wolf with GSD, but found the offspring to be too assertive - not aggressive, but assertive. She then tried a mix with Alaskan Malamute, but found the offspring to be far too "malamutey" in that they could not be trusted at all off the lead ever, and the males in particular could be very aggressive with other males. The best mix she found was wolf/mal/sibe, and that is what my old boy was ... and now, we have his son living with us as an amazing coincidence.

With the utonagan - which is a dog bred to look like a wolf, yes, there are health checks - hips, eyes, elbows, tests for VWB to name just those I can remember. But I am sure, just as with pedigree breeds, there are some breeders who are unscrupulous and "just in it for the money".

The Czech Wolfdog is very aptly named IMO - it is a wolfdog, opposed to a dog - a dog that has been crossed with a wolf. Personally, I cannot think of a better name to describe something that is part wolf, but mainly dog!
 
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