best low cal/low sugar chaff?

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Hi all,
My good doers are currently on Hifi lite, but I think molasses is added to it (why?!!!), does anyone have a recommendation for a low cal chaff that either doesn't have molasses in or that is lower sugar?
Thanks loads!
 
Hi fi good doer would work lol it has almost no molasses in it at all its practically just chopped straw and hay and whatever else is in it

Safe and sound by dodsen and horrel, or happy hoof

hi fi lite is approved by the laminitus trust so i cannot imagine it will have that much molasses in it as i use that and its fine for my two who are good doers but get alot of work
 
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Hi fi good doer would work lol it has no molasses in it at all its practically just chopped straw and hay and whatever else is in it


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From the Dengie website:

http://www.dengie.com/pages/products/alfa-a-and-hi-fi-ranges/hi-fi-good-do-er.php

The ingredients for Good Doer are:
Cereal Straw, Alfalfa, MOLASSES, Mould Inhibitor, Antioxidant, Mint Flavour, Lysine, Zinc sulphate, Manganese sulphate, Vitamin E, Copper sulphate, Sodium selenite. Contains permitted EC preservatives and antioxidants: Propionic acid and its salt, Sorbic and Phosphoric acid and Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA).

It is, however, one of the lowest calorie chaffs at 7 MJDE/kg.
 
Most have molasses in, even the hi fi lite has molasses extract. The fact that they are approved by the laminitis trust is no guarantee that they are sugar free.

Topspec top chop lite is molasses free however it does work out more expensive than Hi Fi.
 
Practically the only chaffs on the market without molasses and preservatives are the simple system ones - I've not found ANY alternatives to them (apart from plain straw chaff) when avoiding molasses!
 
I feed my mare Allen and Page simply beacuse they do a range of feed with no MOLASSES beacuse they make her go crazy and Im happy so far, shes on below and so far I cannot fault it, she a hypre, good dooer and it works well for me the fast fiber i use insted of chaff

Fast Fiber - ' Fast Fibre is also barley and molasses free and is ideal for the good doer or for horses who tend to be hyper even on low energy feeds'

Ride and Relax - 'Ride & Relax is a light, muesli mix for horses at rest or in light to medium work. Suitable for horses with an intolerance to barley, molasses or alfalfa. Ideal for horses which tend to get excited even on low energy mixes'
 
Good Doer is 8% sugar!!!
As criso says the new Top Spec Top Chop Lite has no sugar, Dengie Alfalfa Oil has no sugar and Simple Systems Lucie Stalks has nothing added at all.
Also Mollichaff High Fibre Alfalfa
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You need to look at the starch content too, anything under 10% starch and sugar combined is considered a low cal diet!
Ride and Relax is 15% starch, although as Pricess Tango says its molasses free!
 
yikes, loads to think about, thanks guys!
Sugar sends her absolutly off her head! Hadn't thought about fast fibre, shall look in to it. Unfortunatly ride and relax sends her loopy too!
Don't mind if it's a bit more expensive, a sane mare is worth the expense!
 
It's a minefield, not helped by the fact you often don't get a complete list of ingredients apart from the white label attached to the bag.
I guess it depends a little on what you are trying to avoid and why.
I avoid sugar and sugar beet as my horse gets a little hyper on them but he is fine with alfalfa.
Other horses can't cope with Alfalfa so hifi and top chop are no good for them.
If your horse is very grass sensitive then you would probably avoid fast fibre which has grass in it or if your horse can't cope with sugar beet but it doesn't contain alfalfa.

Don't know the ingredients but some friends with hyper horses have had good results with mollichaff calmer which is a complete feed.
 
Fibre Care has less that 9% starch and sugar combined and also has a hoof supplement and MSM in, put on a post yeaterday that it was great for my boy as he could eat it and not be hungry just because he was on a diet and he found it really palatable. I pay £9 a bag from Frogpool.
 
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You need to look at the starch content too, anything under 10% starch and sugar combined is considered a low cal diet!

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That's actually not quite correct - low calorie and low soluble carbohydrate (starch/sugar) are not necessarily the same thing! You could have a feed that is low in starch and sugar but very high in oil and then it would contain a lot of calories!
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Fibre Care has less that 9% starch and sugar combined and also has a hoof supplement and MSM in, put on a post yeaterday that it was great for my boy as he could eat it and not be hungry just because he was on a diet and he found it really palatable. I pay £9 a bag from Frogpool.

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Some of you may not be aware that it is common for stealth marketers to operate on this forum. This is someone who pretends to be a satisfied customer of a product but is actually working for the company and plugging the product on the forum.

If you look through Wizzlewoo's previous posts you will see that the majority of them are recommending Falcon Feeds (who make Fibre Care) and a supplement called Equi Elements, which is, surprise, surprise, registed to the same Shipley address as Falcon Feeds!

It is a shame such companies use such underhand tactics to promote their products. Surely, if the product is that good there would be plenty of genuine satisfied users endorsing the product on the forum.
 
oh my goodness, I think my head is going to explode! All I would like is hifi just without added sugar, I would have hoped it was an easy thing!
Thank you for all your suggestions, I shall hit google and find out sugar levels so I can compare.
 
Is there any particular reason for wanting to avoid molasses altogether? Dengie Hi Fi Lite actually contains molasses extract (rather than actual molasses) and the sugar content is not particularly high. Is your horse still loopy on the HiFi Lite?

What is of most importance to you - low calorie, low sugar or no molasses?
 
Even a small amount of sugar seems to make her go nuts (she is a good doer and on very little so it makes it easier to work out what's affecting her), also it shows its affects in her feet - even a little can make them warm and I would like to see if barefoot works for her, so I think reducing her sugar further would help. She is a good doer, so no need for extra calories from it, I just need chaff as something to add her supplements to - currently brewers yeast, magnesium and seaweed.
 
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Fibre Care has less that 9% starch and sugar combined and also has a hoof supplement and MSM in, put on a post yeaterday that it was great for my boy as he could eat it and not be hungry just because he was on a diet and he found it really palatable. I pay £9 a bag from Frogpool.

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Some of you may not be aware that it is common for stealth marketers to operate on this forum. This is someone who pretends to be a satisfied customer of a product but is actually working for the company and plugging the product on the forum.

If you look through Wizzlewoo's previous posts you will see that the majority of them are recommending Falcon Feeds (who make Fibre Care) and a supplement called Equi Elements, which is, surprise, surprise, registed to the same Shipley address as Falcon Feeds!

It is a shame such companies use such underhand tactics to promote their products. Surely, if the product is that good there would be plenty of genuine satisfied users endorsing the product on the forum.

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Maybe they work for Frogpool
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Just wanted to add that i have PM'ed TGM as i am not a 'stelth marketer' and feel this is really unfair as i have now been publically humiliated just for posting about products that i use and recommend, is that not the point of the forum and questions?
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Actually I didn't accuse you of being a stealth marketer, but I did alert users to the fact that we have a problem with stealth marketing on the forum. I also pointed out that the majority of your posts were recommending Falcon Feeds. If forum users wish to link the two facts, then that is their prerogative.

In your PM you threatened to report me to Admin if I spoke my mind on the subject again, so do feel free to do so.
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I sent you a PM so as not to make a public display and sort out something like this in private as it has upset me that i can not now use the forum as i wish. As you obviously want to make this very public then please do so. I hope people do not put 2 and 2 together and make 6, and if they do then they are wrong. I have said enough on the subject and will just continue to enjoy the forum.
 
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I sent you a PM so as not to make a public display and sort out something like this in private as it has upset me that i can not now use the forum as i wish. As you obviously want to make this very public then please do so. I hope people do not put 2 and 2 together and make 6, and if they do then they are wrong. I have said enough on the subject and will just continue to enjoy the forum.

[/ QUOTE ] I would have kept it to PMs if you had done the same, but as you decided to post publically then I am quite entitled to reply!
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As you are now ignoring me on the PM's then i hope that you have decided to be nice and a little more friendly as there is nothing worst on this forum than people who think they are higher and better than others.
 
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I sent you a PM so as not to make a public display and sort out something like this in private as it has upset me that i can not now use the forum as i wish. As you obviously want to make this very public then please do so. I hope people do not put 2 and 2 together and make 6, and if they do then they are wrong. I have said enough on the subject and will just continue to enjoy the forum.

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I mearly defended myself so that people did not get the wrong information.
 
Try asking around and see if you can buy good old-fashioned chaff. I used to buy it for a 44 year old who couldn't eat hay and I didn't want her being overloaded with sugar. It came in unlabelled white woven plastic sacks and was just chopped hay and a bit of straw.
 
We used to feed Simple Systems Lucie Stalks until the price went up yet again to something like £10. That, combined with the cost of travelling about 25 miles round trip to pick it up, made it too expensive in the end.

So we changed to Top Chop Lite and our horses love it. In fact one of ours eats his chaff before carrots or anything else in his feed, he loves the mint that's included in it.
 
Sorry to hijack slightly! But just wondered if the Top Chop lite was lower calorie than Hi Fi Lite? My 2 are amazingly good doers and I struggle to keep weight off even on a tiny amount of that and 24hr soaked hay. Cheers xx
 
TGM many of us on here probably use the same products or feeds year in year out and so are more than likely to recommend those that we like best which is probably what Wizzlewoo does.

I know in the 6 years I've had my horse I've honed in on some makes I prefer and would use no others now so if people asked me on here what I thought was best I would recommend those and only those and after a few posts recommending the same make of product I would hope people wouldn't suppose I was up to stealth marketing. For example, I know I've recommended a certain type of saddle twice across the last month or so on here but I don't work for a saddlery company.
 
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